Talk:Bronze sculpture

Ye olde
Good grief. This page needs love; it should probably be:

--Tagishsimon 16:05, 25 Apr 2004 (UTC)
 * A description of Bronzes .. what are thay, how are they made
 * List of sculptors
 * List of bronzes, especially those featured on the Wikipedia.

Made a small edit to the process description. This could be improved even. I have a lot of material here. There is nothing on patination for instance.

Rsaum 23:52, 03 May 2004

History section is pathetic
- especially as it seems the only one in any relevant metalworking article - nothing in lost-wax casting etc. i am adding a little re early Chinese bronzes (yes there were some, well lots actually) but it needs major expansion Johnbod 05:45, 8 December 2006 (UTC)


 * How about piece-mold casting that was used in ancient China? Igor Skoglund

Lost wax section is explained elsewhere
The lost wax casting process is explained much better in lost wax. It probably shouldn't be both places.

Article details and scope
I worked for some years in British bronze foundries and was a freelance restorer of animalier bronzes. In most foundries, "bronze" was synonymous with leaded gunmetals (LG 2, 3 or 4). They were cheaper than tinned bronzes, and easier to chase and more reactive to patination chemicals than silicon-bronzes (see main article on Bronze). The latter are a real pain to patinate, and easily work-harden so that chasing tends to "polish" rather than texture-match the fettled sprues, fins etc. For this reason, silicon bronze was not used for "serious" work, only for semi-industrial issues and multiples requiring minimal chasing - next to "real" bronze (and even leaded gunmetal) it had a cheap brassy look.

I also note the focus on welding methods for piece-jointing and repair of holes. These are not always appropriate and are a relatively recent innovation (early 20th cent approximately). The more traditional methods involved various jointing, pinning and "peening" techniques, which anyone considering restoration or serious study of an older piece would have to know.

I'm also surprised at the omission of sand-cast techniques (cored piece-moulds), commonly used in the casting of larger sculptures - certainly in Europe, and probably (I'd have thought) in the US. Haploidavey (talk) 14:55, 27 June 2009 (UTC)

BTW, the caption to the Plazotta piece (top pic in article) might be a bit misleading. The apparently daring balance of masses relies on an internal armature of steel. I'm assuming that the caption refers to technical rather than aesthetic properties. Haploidavey (talk) 15:13, 27 June 2009 (UTC)

I just got here
so am reluctant to just slash and burn too much, but the lists at the end of the article, sculptors, and even worse, subjects need (opinion) to go. They could be endless and we need to include neither every artist who worked in bronze nor everyone who inspired a bronze to be listed here. Some will emerge in the text and that is enough. Einar aka Carptrash (talk) 02:58, 19 May 2011 (UTC)
 * I am back again with the same problem. Is it our intention here to list every sculptor who worked in bronze and every subject that was cast in bronze?  Because if it is, I have MacKay's The Dictionary of Sculptors in Bronze, 400 pages with perhaps 30 sculptors per page.  Should I just copy these 1,000 or so artists into the list?  Subjects is even worse.  Unless I hear from someone I am going to remove those sections.  Carptrash (talk) 15:15, 29 November 2011 (UTC)

As I have threatened to do, I have removed all the following. Read 'em an' weep.

Sculptural subjects People


 * Andrew Browne Cunningham, in Trafalgar Square, London, England
 * George VI of the United Kingdom, at Carlton House Terrace, London, England
 * Horatio Nelson, 1st Viscount Nelson - relief panels of his Victory at Cape St Vincent, and Death
 * A conversation with Oscar Wilde by Maggi Hambling, installed in Adelaide Street, near Trafalgar Square, London in 1998
 * Shepherd and Sheep by Dame Elisabeth Frink Paternoster Square
 * Young Dancer by Enzo Plazzotta, on Broad Street, London
 * Temperance, a statue atop a drinking water fountain to the north end of Blackfriars Bridge, London
 * In the National Statuary Hall Collection, United States Capitol, Washington, 55 statues, including:
 * Edward Lewis Bartlett
 * George Clinton
 * John Campbell Greenway
 * Ernest Gruening
 * Eusebio Francisco Kino
 * Joseph Wheeler

Abstract and symbolic


 * Henry Moore bronzes

Animals


 * Charging Bull - by Arturo Di Modica, in Bowling Green park near Wall Street in New York City
 * Mustangs at Las Colinas
 * Nelson's Column - Sir Edwin Landseer's Lions guard the diagonals
 * Affe mit Schädel - Hugo Rheinhold's Common Chimpanzee contemplating a human skull.

Next to go, unless some defends it, is the list of sculptors. Carptrash (talk) 00:58, 6 March 2012 (UTC)
 * Can we add an image of at least one modern athlete bronze? Wayne Gretzky comes to mind. One of few notable statues of a living person in sport.--Canoe1967 (talk) 16:18, 18 March 2012 (UTC)

As mentioned back in March, and no one objected, I am removing the list of sculptors. it will just be too cumbersome. Carptrash (talk) 23:39, 6 July 2013 (UTC)

I am an inclusionist
when it comes to images of art. Having said that, a review of this article reveals (at least to me) that all the images are European or American and most are from the 20th Century. So my long range plan is to put some of these in a gallery and dig up some Asian and African bronzes. Do you have any? Einar aka Carptrash (talk) 20:37, 18 March 2012 (UTC)
 * There a few images in the commons


 * http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:Bronze_sculptures
 * There may be a few more that aren't categorized in bronze. Your taste is selection may be far better than mine.--Canoe1967 (talk) 21:03, 18 March 2012 (UTC)

Current article has western Bronze sculptures. WHY?
Current article has western Bronze sculptures when there are many sculptures around the globe. Why editor is deleting other sculptures? Are they promoting western sculptures? JAIBHIM5 (talk) 07:16, 24 May 2014 (UTC)
 * This edit was an automated one removing a deleted image. There should be some ME/Asian and African bronzes indeed. Johnbod (talk) 13:54, 24 May 2014 (UTC)
 * Indian & African examples now added; an East Asian one still needed. Johnbod (talk) 15:10, 24 May 2014 (UTC)
 * Gallery has 2 British and 2 from Poland. Why ? JAIBHIM5 (talk) 05:22, 25 May 2014 (UTC)

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Cold painted bronze
Born in 19th century Vienna, know-how for this technique is lost. If someone has sources and literature for this unique type of bronze please add it.Sourcerery (talk) 18:40, 1 May 2019 (UTC)

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