Talk:Bronzino

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Bronzino is the name by which every educated person knows Agnolo di Cosimo. The affectation of a supposed "correctness' in order to appear more knowledgeable than we are is a commonplace of pretentious behavior. --Wetman 05:12, 9 Feb 2005 (UTC)

Thanks for the constructive criticism Anilocra 09:59, 9 Feb 2005 (UTC)


 * "Agnolo di Cosimo" should be sorted under the artist's working name of Bronzino. --Jose Madrid


 * Now that Parmigianino has been moved from Giovanni Francesco Maria Mazzola based on the Naming conventions (common names), shouldn't Agnolo di Cosimo yield place to Bronzino? InvisibleSun 07:03, 1 January 2006 (UTC)


 * Yes it certainly should! Johnbod 04:38, 31 January 2007 (UTC)


 * I have placed a move request to move to Bronzino Johnbod 12:58, 4 February 2007 (UTC)

Should there be some mention of the Terry Gilliam/Monty Python connection here? Yes, that is indeed Cupid's foot that comes crashing down at the end of the Python opening titles... Lee M 03:55, 20 Feb 2005 (UTC)
 * now in Johnbod 12:58, 4 February 2007 (UTC)

List of Works
There's a list of works here (Catholic Encyclopedia). JASpencer 11:24, 20 January 2007 (UTC)

Unfortunately, as with most EB & CE lists, about 25% will have been sold on or moved, and another 25% re-attributed to his workshop etc in the intevening century. Of the 4 they mention for the National Gallery, London, only one is still attributed to him - 1 is "studio of", 1 "follower of" and one has presumably gone to another painter entirely (the knight). WGA or Actcyclopedia web-sites will be more accurate  Johnbod 04:38, 31 January 2007 (UTC)

Requested move

 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the . Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. No further edits should be made to this section. 

PAGE MOVED per discussion below. -GTBacchus(talk) 08:56, 10 February 2007 (UTC) Agnolo di Cosimo → Bronzino — B is currently a redirect to Agnolo di Cosimo. See article and talk page; Bronzino is much the most commonly used name Johnbod 12:32, 4 February 2007 (UTC) - Discussion section created by Sig Pig  |SEND - OVER  05:26, 5 February 2007 (UTC)

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Survey - in support of the move

 * 1) Support as nom (see previous discussion above also) Johnbod 14:41, 5 February 2007 (UTC)
 * 2) CARAVAGGISTI 17:46, 5 February 2007 (UTC)
 * 3) InvisibleSun 18:37, 5 February 2007 (UTC)

Discussion

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As the person responsible for this page being found under Agnolo di Cosimo rather than Bronzino, almost two years ago, I thought I'd better explain myself. Basically, the page was created after I watched a Terry Gilliam documentary on his Monty Python animations (sorry, art fans!). Gilliam used "Agnolo di Cosimo" throughout, so I took my lead from him. I don't think moving the page is in any way controvertial. It's only here because I'm clearly not an educated person :) Anyway, as all the redirects exist already, and there has been calls for it to be renamed since about four hours after the page was created, this process seems a little unneccessary...someone should be bold. Anilocra 22:08, 5 February 2007 (UTC)


 * Fair enough - I tried to do that, but because Bronzino already exists as a redirect it appears you have to go through this process. Johnbod 02:11, 6 February 2007 (UTC)


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Unsourced, Contradictory, POV Statement

 * When attempting to display strong emotion, his Mannerism becomes unconvincing, verging on Academic art.

The allusion to Academic art (as, apparently, some degenerate form of art) is uncalled for, being inherently POV. In addition, the following statement contradicts the above, as you will see:


 * Bronzino's skill with the nude was better deployed in the celebrated Venus, Cupid, Folly and Time, which conveys strong feelings of eroticism under the pretext of a moralizing allegory.

The old woman at left is is certainly rather emotional, as are the two figures at top to a lesser degree. And yet this painting is mentioned right after the "unconvincing" statement. I will remove this if no one expresses objection. --Vlmastra 01:22, 20 April 2007 (UTC)

"Mannered," etc.
I know a little bit about Bronzino, so I took some liberties with my edits, but certainly hope I didn't step on anyone's toes! I agree with Vlmastra that there are some inconsistencies with the use of the term "mannered," which is probably just due to the instability of the label itself (see for example the classic critical essay by John Sherman "Maniera as an Aesthetic Ideal," 1963). If it's going to be used as a yardstick against which to measure Bronzino's success or failure, then it really ought to be defined here. This is doubly the case as I don't think there's any evidence that Bronzino saw himself as working in a "mannerist" style - this is a later categorical system. Thus I removed some of that language, until such a time that the original author (? or someone) could clarify it.

I'm also removing the reference to this mystery painting Resurrection of the Virgin Mary because I'm not sure which one it is... In other words, if it exists, it's so obscure that finding an image of it is almost impossible. If someone has an image of it, that would be great and really helpful to understanding the larger point. Also, maybe if the argument is that this work betrays a 'moral crisis,' then a further explanation (as to how and where we see this crisis in the painting) would be lovely. Ummm, some new content - I do wonder about that Dante painting supposedly in the NGA, D.C. because it's not listed on the website and very seldom referenced in publication. Perhaps not accepted as a Bronzino work? Is there some provenance issue with it? Strange - well, maybe that bit should be removed; if anyone knows something about it, I'd love to hear! Thanks! Isocephaly (talk) 20:43, 27 April 2008 (UTC)

Oh, and one other thing - right now the allegorical work is sort of smushed in with religious work - strange bedfellows! If someone would like to expand and separate them, it seems that would be more appropriate. I feel a little tired of Bronzino just now, but I recognize that I left that sort of dangling...Isocephaly (talk) 20:55, 27 April 2008 (UTC

A comment from a reader: I don't know if or where this comment should be, but I want to compliment the writer of "Bronzino" on his graceful and elegant style. Thank you for a fine article. June 27, 2021 141.149.63.177 (talk) 18:43, 27 June 2021 (UTC)

New images from Google Art Project
I've recently uploaded 19 new images of works by Brozino at commons:Category:Google Art Project works by Agnolo Bronzino. Please have a look and use any that are useful. Dcoetzee 06:37, 8 February 2013 (UTC)

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