Talk:Brookhaven, Georgia

Requested move

 * The following discussion is an archived discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. No further edits should be made to this section. 

The result of the move request was: not moved for now. Feel free to resubmit once the name has been changed officially. Favonian (talk) 21:17, 15 February 2012 (UTC)

Brookhaven, Georgia → Ashford, Georgia –

The following site reveals this:

http://www.therepublic.com/view/story/f1f8cdf71f9d49a885b7aa762434a4cd/GA--New-Georgia-City/

Georgia guy (talk) 14:06, 8 February 2012 (UTC)
 * Oppose for now - according to the original news article the process is still ongoing and the Brookhaven name could still be chosen by the Senate. All of this needs adding to the article anyway. 81.142.107.230 (talk) 14:16, 9 February 2012 (UTC)
 * Oppose for now - same reasons as 81.142.107.230 Keizers (talk) 15:33, 9 February 2012 (UTC)
 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on this talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.

Incorporation: "Historic Brookhaven" objecting to use of name "Brookhaven" outside their small neighborhood
I remarked to Annie ATL that I very much appreciated the facts she'd established for "Historic Brookhaven" never having objected before to the use of the term "Brookhaven" outside of their small neighborhood, but that the text as it reads now does not reflect the neutral point of view required for Wikipedia. Does anyone want to take a stab at rewriting it slightly so that it is neutral? Keizers (talk) 22:14, 10 February 2012 (UTC)

After the requested move
...an unregistered Wikipedian says "...the process is still ongoing". For how long will this last?? Georgia guy (talk) 21:32, 15 February 2012 (UTC)
 * Not sure, someone wants to change the name back to Brookhaven when it goes before the Georgia senate - can't seem to find exactly when that it. We definitely shouldn't rush to move this article to "Ashford" until it is sure that the city will come to be... which will be July (the election). Up till then, and if the cityhood is defeated, then also going forward, the larger area is by far most widely known as Brookhaven. It is known nowhere as Ashford, and only the census bureau (and some map applications that rely on their definitions) calls it North Atlanta.Keizers (talk) 23:53, 15 February 2012 (UTC)
 * Is this an analogy to saying that it's not yet time to move Ununquadium to Flerovium?? Georgia guy (talk) 00:13, 16 February 2012 (UTC)
 * For ununquadium, the name flerovium is proposed, but not official yet and so we can't move the page yet. Georgia guy (talk) 00:54, 16 February 2012 (UTC)
 * Then yes, except that the proposed name of Ashford is only that of the Georgia House, not even the Georgia Senate. The fact that it's the *idea* of one person is really not relevant for the point, but I just thought I would mention how incredibly offensive that is to the whole concept of democracy and representative government, that one Georgia House Rep. "because he thinks it is a good idea" slaps a name on an entire (proposed) city and the people who actually live there have NO say in what their city will be called. Hopefully I'm allowed to vent that on a talk page.Keizers (talk) 01:04, 16 February 2012 (UTC)
 * Well actually Keizer, we should limit talk to a discussion of the article. But I hope you feel better after getting it off your chest. This article should not be moved to "Ashford" until after the change has been made official.  To do it before the move would be premature and would look like it was pushing an agenda.  Happy editing, everybody.A Softer Answer (talk) 12:42, 16 February 2012 (UTC)

Should the mention of "Brookhaven" outside the small Georgia golf community and the MARTA train station be removed from Wikipedia?
This is a very touchy subject and an unresolved political matter. It was clear the first time I stumbled on this page that it was being used to promote city incorporation of Brookhaven. The first Wikipedia entries even went so far as to exaggerate the real boundaries of the area known as "Brookhaven" in an attempt to head off a federal law suit.

As can be deduced by the State Senator Lindsey, a resident of the "Brookhaven" community in Fulton county; Brookhaven, the small white community built around a golf course encompassing a small area located in both Fulton and Dekalb county is not as was first described here on Wikipedia or in other places on the internet. Only a small portion of the area known as Brookhaven is located in unincorporated Dekalb. Even the park called "Brookhaven" in Dekalb county is a fairly new park that was built on the location of the old Oglethorpe veterans hospital.

A large number of people, in the area the State Rep Mike Jacobs is attempting to call Brookhaven, do not want to be a part of the super majority white cities experiment of North Atlanta. (Sandy Springs, Dunwoody, Johns Creek, Milton, Chattahoochee Hills and now "Brookhaven or Ashford")

The wealthy whites of northern Atlanta in Fulton and Dekalb county have been waiting for a Republican controlled state government to break away from minority control of "their tax dollars". It is the common belief by the whites in northern Atlanta area that the minority county commissioners are sending too much of "their tax dollars" to the southern poorer black communities in Fulton and Dekalb counties. The wealthy whites of North Atlanta are making a break during a super majority white Republican governance of Georgia calling for new super majority white cities to remove the local tax dollars from county level minority control.

Several Civil Rights cases have been filed in the United States District Court for the Northern District of Georgia seeking the dissolving of these new super majority white cities. The white State Rep defending the super majority white cities claimed the cities were "commonly known geographic areas". In an attempt to head off the federal courts review, the promoters of "Brookhaven" incorporation set out to paint an image of a large commonly known area of "Brookhaven" using the internet to bolster their false claim. There were claims Brookhaven has always extended up Ashford-Dunwoody Road to I285 and that Murphy Candler Park was a part of Brookhaven. These claims have been proven false by the lifelong residents of the area.

The attempt to make the name "Brookhaven" extend far past its real small golf community boundaries was a political move by a white Georgia State Representative with self serving interests that did not grow up in Georgia or attend school in the area. State Rep Mike Jacobs home was being considered for annexation into the City of Chamblee. The City of Chamblee is actively extending its borders to increase its tax base and dilute its new highly Hispanic community along Buford Highway. The white State Rep Mike Jacobs home is located just outside Chamblee's City limits. Both the State Rep and a small advertizing rag called the Brookhaven Crier wanting to promote themselves into relevancy have made an effort to bastardize Wikipedia and the rest of the internet into an image that promotes their political agenda, a political agenda that appears to violate the civil rights of minorities in the surrounding communities.

This was a shameful move and possibly unlawful under the Voter Rights Act of 1965. The neighboring community of Lynwood, a historically black community, has been taxed into near extinction. Many black families still reside in the same small homes. They were never considered part of the rich white golf community of Brookhaven until now when their vote can be minimized and the last few blacks can be chased out. By diluting the black vote of the historically black community of Lynwood, now governed locally at the county level by a black minority, changing it into a super majority white local governance under a city of Brookhaven, the black vote of Lynwood will no longer be relevant. The truly historic former slave community of Lynwood, in existence long before the name "Brookhaven" was ever used in Georgia, will be extinguished under super majority white local rule. These real descendants of former black slaves released from local plantations were likely used to build and maintain the all white Brookhaven golf community.

Promoting incorporation of Brookhaven with false claims was a shameful use of Wikipedia and possible criminal violation of the minority citizen's civil and constitutional rights. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 96.25.174.243 (talk) 06:52, 8 March 2012 (UTC)

Sorry for attempting to correct this article. I should not disturb the evidence.
I believe persons conspired to write this article for the specific purpose of violating the civil rights of the minority citizens located in Dekalb County. (A serious federal felony) This article describing Brookhaven as an area stretching from I85 to I285 is fraudulent and designed to make it appear that "this was a common area known as Brookhaven" to people unfamiliar with the area to bolster the request for a city encompassing this area.

The admitted reason for incorporating the area into the city of Brookhaven was to remove local control of taxes for police, fire, parks, and sewer from a minority controlled county governance to a super majority white local city governance oppressing the minorities both inside the proposed city by removing minority governance and outside the city removing the county tax base. The Voting Rights Act of 1965 (42 U.S.C. §§ 1973–1973aa-6) Section 2 contains a general prohibition on voting discrimination, enforced through federal district court litigation. Congress amended this section in 1982, prohibiting any voting practice or procedure that has a discriminatory result. The 1982 amendment provided that proof of intentional discrimination is not required. The provision focused instead on whether the electoral processes are equally accessible to minority voters. This section is permanent and does not require renewal. On March 9, 2009, the U.S. Supreme Court ruled in Bartlett v. Strickland that the Voting Rights Act does not require governments to draw district lines favorable to minority candidates when the district has minorities as less than half of the population.

Dekalb county has more than half minority population and this new city voting procedure effects minorities ability to be represented locally where they have been represented locally by a minority prior to the formation or attempted formation the city. This oppression of the minorities ability to vote for local minority representation in Dekalb county may constitute a very serious felony offense under Section 241 of Title 18 U.S.C.

Section 241 of Title 18, the civil rights conspiracy statute, makes it unlawful for two or more persons to agree together to oppress, injure, threaten, or intimidate a person in any state, territory or district in the free exercise or enjoyment of any right or privilege secured to him/her by the Constitution or the laws of the Unites States, (or because of his/her having exercised the same). Unlike most conspiracy statutes, Section 241 does not require that one of the conspirators commit an overt act prior to the conspiracy becoming a crime. The offense is punishable by a range of imprisonment up to a life term or the death penalty, depending upon the circumstances of the crime, and the resulting injury, if any. — Preceding unsigned comment added by TheTimeTraveler2025 (talk • contribs) 10:11, 8 March 2012 (UTC)
 * Before anyone jumps on "WP:NLT" for the above, an WP:ANI report has been filed by an editor, and I am also trying to engage this editor directly ( talk→  BWilkins   ←track ) 10:28, 8 March 2012 (UTC)


 * A pathetic attempt by some to play the "race card". Does anyone seriously believe that our government is going to execute someone for creating a city with geographically defined, not gerrymandered, boundaries? Ryoung 122 22:21, 6 August 2012 (UTC)

Senate and House
If the Senate votes one side of the question "What is this city's name??" and the House votes another side, how is the last say decided?? Georgia guy (talk) 00:51, 30 March 2012 (UTC)

Defining the Districts/Neighborhoods
There is an issue of which "neighborhoods" or "districts" exist in the "city of Brookhaven boundaries". I have a Rand McNally map that clearly defines the area around the Marist school as "North Atlanta". "North Atlanta" also was the name of the Census-Designated Place that will soon cease to exist once Brookhaven is incorporated in December 2012. Also, the "city of North Atlanta" existed from 1924 to 1965. More authoritative information is needed to clean up the "neighborhood/district" information in this article. Let's also keep in mind that, just as "Brookhaven" may have more than one meaning and boundary, so there are multiple interpretations of districts and neighborhoods in the area. Ryoung 122 22:24, 6 August 2012 (UTC)

Zip codes incorrect?
USPS does not recognize Brookhaven as a valid city name for either of the zip codes listed in the article: 30319 and 30341. Links to the USPS website for these zip codes:
 * 30319
 * 30341 — Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.66.149.221 (talk) 04:11, 20 March 2014 (UTC)

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