Talk:Brooklyn Law School/Archive 1

Norris
Wow, Chuck Norris? Really? could you show me some kind of evidence that he actually went to Brooklyn Law School, because I haven't seen any on wikipedia or Google. Same story with Amit Shoor, but maybe you know better. 20:20, 2 December 2005 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Cdogsimmons (talk • contribs)
 * Chuck Norris did not go to Brooklyn. Also, the Leiter Report is not objective, as stated in the entry. It is subjective because all he does is ask other professors. Brooklyn is a TTT, so I also added that. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.55.206.192 (talk • contribs) 04:56, 15 December 2005 (UTC)

Rankings
Leiter's rankings are neither respected nor objective  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 137.99.149.191 (talk • contribs) 02:03, 16 December 2005 (UTC)

Third Opinion June 2008
Cdogsimmons complains of Continuous reversions by anonymous editors of one of his previous edits. The addition proposed is as follows:  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Work permit (talk • contribs) 03:49-04:30, 8 June 2008 (UTC)


 * Third Opinion: A third opinion can only be provided if there is a discussion between two editors. Here's nothing, the only pointer are a few edit comments. If you have problems with anonymous editors reverting things, a third opinion will hardly help; in the worst case you should consider asking for protection.


 * That said, the whole "News" section is of dubious quality at best, including Cdogsimmons' additions. It's hardly informative or relevant, and Wikipedia is not a news clipping collection. In order to improve the article, describe the relevant facts in the appropriate section of the article, citing the news as a sources.


 * At the very least you should convert this to a list of "external resources" and remove the quoted text entirely (leaving only the links and descriptions). Averell (talk) 17:50, 8 June 2008 (UTC)


 * Agree that the quoted text is not relevant. Also agree that Wikipedia is not a news clipping collection, so there is no need for this section to exist. Propose the following compromise, if anything:


 * In March 2008, Crain’s New York Business mentions Brooklyn Law School in an article about law schools which produce large numbers of public service lawyers..
 * In September 2007, Brooklyn Law School was mentioned in a Wall Street Journal article regarding the waning job market for U.S. lawyers, and questioning the integrity of some law schools’ marketing campaigns.
 * A May 2007 Bloomberg.com article noted that, due to increasing demand for lawyers, top Manhattan firms which had not traditionally recruited from Brooklyn Law School were now recruiting from it..
 * —Preceding unsigned comment added by EdnaRene (talk • contribs) 21:24, 9 June 2008 (UTC)

promotional language
Downtown Brooklyn is a wonderful place; I live there myself. But an explanation of why it so great is may be appropriate for the school's web site, but not for this article. People wanting information on the area can use the linked Wikipedia articles on it. I left in the one point particularly appropriate to a law school. DGG (talk) 00:03, 16 May 2009 (UTC)

Rankings Controversy
I dispute your contention that I am biased contributor. My edits regarding the Brooklyn Law School US News ranking controversy were fact oriented and were sourced by major news outlets. Furthermore, the page as it stands now is incorrect. Brooklyn Law School is not ranked 61st. As my US News source illustrates, the ranking is incorrect and subject to modification. In addition, after your protective block was added to the page an editor named "Javajava2" was able to make changes. His/her edits are unsubstantiated and not reliably sourced. "Leiter Report" is an independent blogger who is merely providing a non-objective opinion. I respectfully request that you undo the block and restore the previous version. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.190.45.181 (talk) 01:36, 15 May 2009 (UTC) and by MariannaBLS (talk • contribs) 01:57, 15 May 2009 (UTC)


 * Welcome to Wikipedia. Unfortunately, bloggers cannot be taken as reliable fact, by Wikipedia policy. Unless you can otherwise prove that the other user is incorrect, I am afraid that the edit cannot be made. Waiwai933 (talk) 03:59, 15 May 2009 (UTC)

✅ Relevant sourced material regarding the survey response has been partially restored (with some minor editing). The 2007 WSJ "waning job market" article is already listed in the Articles section. Adding it to the ranking section would give it undue emphasis. -- Tcncv (talk) 04:38, 15 May 2009 (UTC)

Agree with Tcncv's edit. After Tcncv made the above edit, "Javajava2" in bad faith once again removed the relevant material. "Javajava2" also restored the "Leiter Report" material, which as discussed above is not reliable. The "Leiter Report" was published by an independent blogger who is merely providing a non-objective opinion. As sourced, US News has put out a statement saying that the school's 61st place ranking was being investigated and subject to modification. Listing the ranking without this disclaimer would be dishonest and inaccurate. MariannaBLS (talk) 06:43, 15 May 2009 (UTC)

- Lets discuss this first to see if we can build a consensus. -- Tcncv (talk) 06:31, 15 May 2009 (UTC)


 * To Javajava2 - Since Brooklyn Law School has already admitted not including part-time program information in the survey results (partly because they disagree with US News's methodology), and US News has stated that they are investigating, I believe it is appropriate to include that relevant fact along with the ranking. Contrary to your last edit summary, the statement does not imply that any action has yet been taken.  -- Tcncv (talk) 06:24, 15 May 2009 (UTC)

The "Leiter Report" material is both non-objective and not a proper source, since "Leiter" is a private blogger. MariannaBLS (talk) 06:43, 15 May 2009 (UTC)
 * I have carefully examined the Leitner site, and comments about it. I note that USNWR itself says about it, "Leiter's Law School Reports continue to offer sophisticated commentary and criticism as well as suggestions on how to improve the rankings. Leiter also does his own law rankings." . I consider that sufficient to show that he is regarded as a recognized authority, and his blog is a responsible source of information. I also call attention to the rankings in Drexel Law Review  by Pollack; I consider that also a RS. DGG (talk) 00:43, 16 May 2009 (UTC)
 * I agree with DGG on the issue of the "Leiter Report" material. The author appears to be a prominent figure an the data and methodology of the survey appear objective and sound. -- Tcncv (talk) 06:39, 16 May 2009 (UTC)

It appears that Javajava2 has elected not to participate here and since there are no other objections, I have restored the ranking concerns item to the rank section. That's where it naturally belongs, since it is specifically concerns the integrity of the ranking. -- Tcncv (talk) 06:34, 16 May 2009 (UTC)

sorry, rarely online on wknds - i think adding a footnote may be fair; however, i think that saying that the ranking was "called into question" is too bold a statement. US News specifically said that it would not be readjusting the rankings and until they actually say more then they are merely investigating or "looking into" brooklyn's submission of part-time numbers, again, i feel that saying that the ranking was officially called into question is too strong and discrediting to brooklyn's current ranking Javajava2 (talk)


 * Sounds like a reasonable change. I've no objection.  -- Tcncv (talk) 06:25, 18 May 2009 (UTC)

I wholeheartedly disagree. US News reported on May 18th that "Brooklyn Law would have ranked lower in the 2010 Best Law Schools ranking if the original combined all-students data it entered in October had been used in the rankings." http://www.usnews.com/blogs/college-rankings-blog/2009/05/18/what-happened-with-brooklyn-law-school.html Based upon this newly released statement put out by US News, I believe that the footnote should be modified to say that the ranking would have lower but for BLS's ommission. All the discussion above pre-dated this newly released statement. MariannaBLS (talk) 21:50, 18 May 2009 (UTC)


 * I've updated the rankings footnote, while trying to strike a balance between presenting relevant facts and not giving the issue [WP:UNDUE]] emphasis. Details are readily available in the referenced sources.  -- Tcncv (talk) 23:39, 18 May 2009 (UTC)

I think that is a fair resolution. 64.119.86.176 (talk) 00:35, 19 May 2009 (UTC)

Javajava2 entered another "Leiter Report" ranking entry. The editors above have reached a consensus that "Leiter Report" is an objective and sound ranking methodology. While I would be willing to go along with that, I think that by having three Leiter ranking entries (compared with only one US News ranking), places undue emphasis on one ranking methodology. As the following post indicates (http://www.thefacultylounge.org/2009/04/alternatives-to-us-news-keep-proliferating.html), there are literally dozens of law school ranking systems. Us News is arguably the most prominent ranking system in the law school/higher education industry. Having a reference to an alternative system such as Leiter is fine. Clogging up the section however with too many Leiter references is bad style. WP:Undue requires "that the article should fairly represent all significant viewpoints {in this case ranking systems} that have been published by a reliable source, and should do so in proportion to the prominence of each." Subcategories of US News rankings could also be listed (eg. employment, LSAT/GPA's, reputation), but it would make the ranking section unduly cumbersome. I would also respectfully request that Javajava2 (after requesting semi-protected status for this page) not on his own initiative modify the rankings section until a consensus is reached on the talk section of this page. MariannaBLS (talk) 00:55, 19 May 2009 (UTC)


 * marianna BLS: each Leitner ranking pertains to a very specialized area, 2 of which US News totally ignores in thier ranking methodology. for instance, the fact that brooklyn has 6 clerks on the court of appeals right now is one of bls's most impressive feats in the school's 100 year plus history.  moreover, the placement numbers at some of NYC's most elite firms speak for themselves.  as seen on Cardozo's wiki page,, we could list many other rankings, and perhaps we should.  i might also suggest that we should maybe move the ranking section itself to the bottom of the page, as I do not think this section should be the starting point for those wanting to learn about brooklyn law school.Javajava2 (talk) 02:33, 19 May 2009 (UTC)

You might not agree with the way in which US News calculates its rankings, but it is what it is. A Wiki page is not a debate forum to hash out the inadequacies of the US News rankings, nor is it a promotional piece for the law school. To balance things out, I see no problem with referencing an alternative ranking system, but to deluge the category with references to a less prominently known ranking system adds undue weight to such a source. I also disagree with your assertion that the rankings category should be placed at the bottom of the page. Most law schools (including Cardozo which you cite as a source) have the rankings category at the top of the Wiki page. MariannaBLS (talk) 03:13, 19 May 2009 (UTC)

Not done: please establish a consensus for this alteration before using the template. The template is intended to allow non-autoconfirmed users to edit articles which are semiprotected. The random user who happens to stop by to help with that request is not an admin or referee (although they might decide to help out of the kindness of their hearts) and this is not a dispute resolution method. You may want to ask for a third opinion to help resolve this is you two aren't able to reach an agreement. Good luck, Celestra (talk) 03:57, 19 May 2009 (UTC)

There seems to be no disagreement that the last "Leiter Ranking" entry should be deleted. It appears as if a consensus has been reached.
 * as noted above, the leiter report rankings are a reliable source. each ranking is different. US News also publishes, in addition to the main ranking, specialty rankings (similar to the leiter rankings, but generally very different categories). if brooklyn had placed in a US News speciality ranking this year, it would be noteworthy to include as was such information included in past years on this page. Javajava2 (talk) 02:24, 20 May 2009 (UTC)

No doubt each ranking system is different. However, WP:Undue requires "that the article should fairly represent all significant viewpoints {in this case ranking systems} that have been published by a reliable source, and should do so in proportion to the prominence of each.  Including sub-speciality rankings this year for US News would be inappropriate given the fact that the law school (as per their own admission) did not provide US News with the appropriate data for them to be ranked, esp in the "part-time program" sub-speciality category.  Given the fact that BLS did not provide this data, it would be biased and not a neutral point of view to include THREE sub-category rankings of a lesser known ranking system that happens to judge the school in a more positive light. MariannaBLS (talk) 19:19, 20 May 2009 (UTC)

Not done: Javajava2 is autoconfirmed. If you reach a consensus with him, he can implement the change; if you can't reach a consensus, you can avail yourselves of the various dispute resolution methods. No one responding to the is going to make changes while this dispute is ongoing. Celestra (talk) 04:32, 20 May 2009 (UTC)

Requested third opinion on "Leiter Report" issue. MariannaBLS (talk) 17:59, 20 May 2009 (UTC)

Third opinion
A third opinion is to be used only for resolving disputes between two editors. I count four people involved in the discussion above, so I am removing the third opinion request.

That said, I can provide my own opinion, for what it's worth. It does happen that occasionally a blog is considered a reliable source. For example, FiveThirtyEight.com comes to mind as one blog that is widely cited in major news outlets as a reliable source for election prognostications. Similarly, the Leiter Report seems authoritative, esepecially if other reliable sources refer to it. ~Amatulić (talk) 21:38, 20 May 2009 (UTC)


 * mariannabls - i respect and applaud your effort to edit this page, and i agree that wiki pages should not serve as promotional pieces for law schools. to that end, i ultimately agreed that there should be a footnote explaining US News's current bls ranking.  However, i also think that you may have an axe to grind against brooklyn law, and be too attached emotionally to edit the page.  again, i say this in respect.  as to the leiter report, there is a consensus that the rankings there are reputable and reliable. unlike US News, the leiter report does not have a "main ranking", rather, the leiter report publishes a series of speciality rankings each year - each of which are greatly informative in thier own way.  Javajava2 (talk) 22:31, 20 May 2009 (UTC)

With all due respect, I think you may have an agenda in promoting the school. Reviewing your history edits for the main article page, I see that you are often trying to move sourced material and are constantly being rebuked for using promotional/advertising type language. As for the leiter report material, while some may argue that they are reputable, that is not the issue being discussed here. Here, we are trying to ensure that published sources are being presented in a way that does so in proportion to the prominence of each, as per Wiki guidelines. Clearly, US News is still the most prominent ranking system out there. Digging through a less prominently known ranking system and cherry picking positive rankings fails to provide a neutral point of view regarding the school's standing. MariannaBLS (talk) 01:02, 21 May 2009 (UTC)

I also feel that the Wall Street Journal article (footnote 26, I believe) should be listed in this section. The Wall Street Journal article also calls into question the way in which the law school calculates employment statistics for all of these ranking surveys, specifically the way in which the law school utilizes contract attorneys to inflate the post-graduate career survey statistic.

See relevant section- "A glossy admissions brochure for Brooklyn Law School, considered second-tier, reports a median salary for recent graduates at law firms of well above $100,000. But that figure doesn't reflect all incomes of graduates at firms; fewer than half of graduates at firms responded to the survey, the school reported to U.S. News. On its Web site, the school reports that 41% of last year's graduates work for firms of more than 100 lawyers, but it fails to mention that that percentage includes temporary attorneys, often working for hourly wages without benefits, Joan King, director of the school's career center, concedes. Ms. King says she believes the figures for her school accurately represent the broader graduating class. She says the number of contract attorneys is 'minimal' but declined to give a number."

I feel that including all of these extraneous ranking surveys wouldn't be neutral and an accurate portryal without this disclaimer. Furthermore, the news article section is arkward. There shouldn't be a section with a random collection of news articles. MariannaBLS (talk) 17:04, 21 May 2009 (UTC)

Informal Mediation
Hi guys, in response to a request for informal mediation I'm going to give you a hand. Firstly, could anyone involved in this please sign your name below & briefly outline your views on the issue, then we can get started. Feel free to ask me any questions here or on my talk page. Let's go! dottydotdot (talk) 00:07, 28 May 2009 (UTC)
 * It would seem noone is interested so the case has now been closed. Dottydotdot (talk) 12:00, 31 May 2009 (UTC)

Notability
I do not know who Amit Shoor, Todd Blumenfeld, or Ian Nanos are, but I searched for them on Google and have not found anything notable about them in any way. There are much more prestigeous alumni from Brooklyn Law School who are documented on the Wikipedia. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Cdogsimmons (talk • contribs) 20:20, 2 December 2005 (UTC)


 * Geraldo Rivera went to BLS, for one. Bernie Madoff went there, though he did not graduate. It would be great if we could expand this seciont.

There is a list here http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Brooklyn_Law_School_alumni but someone should pick through it and find the "most notable" ones.74.73.236.122 (talk) 18:40, 8 September 2009 (UTC)

I've added some people who are obviously notable (to me), added a link to the category, deleted some lesser known people, and removed the tag. To anyone who wants to put the tag back on, how about just adding some references instead. They are all in the main articles on the subjects.--Work permit (talk) 02:49, 9 September 2009 (UTC)

Latin Motto
what does "lex gladius juris est" mean? Streamless 14:56, 31 January 2006 (UTC)


 * I think it's something like "the law is a just sword" or something along those lines. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Jilliker (talk • contribs) 20:41, 14 October 2006 (UTC)


 * It means "The law is the sword of Justice."74.73.236.122 (talk) 18:40, 8 September 2009 (UTC)

When I asked Professor Richard Farrell about the meaning (circa 1998), he replied, "Justice is the force of the law." For "force," perhaps read "power behind."76.15.121.220 (talk) 00:33, 12 August 2013 (UTC)

Alumni
Folks, listing alumni need references on this page. That there may be references on other pages within Wikipedia is immaterial and without such citations, the entries fail WP:V. Toddst1 (talk) 16:24, 8 November 2009 (UTC)
 * Aarg. I see your point. This is just going to be a pain to do. (also to quote that policy "Any material lacking a reliable source may be removed, but how quickly this should happen depends on the material in question and the overall state of the article. Editors might object if you remove material without giving them enough time to provide references, especially in an underdeveloped article. It has always been good practice to make reasonable efforts to find sources oneself that support such material, and cite them." I also note that most other alumni sections and pages do not make such efforts. See List of Harvard Law School alumni, not to pick a bone with anyone in particular ) Anyway, I guess we have our work cut out for us. At least we know the cites exist on the pages.--Cdogsimmons (talk) 02:22, 9 November 2009 (UTC)
 * For everyone's reference, the list as it existed was as follows (I notice that Bernard Madoff should not be on this list since he never graduated):


 * Herman Badillo ’54, Bronx Borough President and Democratic member of the United States House of Representatives, New York’s 21st and 22nd Congressional Districts; Member of the Board of Trustees of Brooklyn Law School
 * Frank J. Brasco ’57 (1932-1998), Democratic member of the United States House of Representatives, New York’s 11th Congressional District.
 * John D. Clarke ’11 (1873-1933), Republican member of the United States House of Representatives, New York’s 34th Congressional District.
 * John J. Delaney ’27, Democratic member of the United States House of Representatives, New York’s 7th Congressional District.
 * Morris M. Edelstein ’09 (1888–1941), Democratic member of the United States House of Representatives, New York’s 14th Congressional District.
 * Henry J. Latham ’31 (1908-2002), Republican member of the United States House of Representatives, New York’s 3rd and 4th Congressional Districts.
 * Abraham J. Multer ’22, Democratic member of the United States House of Representatives, New York’s 13th and 14th Congressional Districts.
 * Bertram L. Podell ’49, Democratic member of the United States House of Representatives, New York’s 13th Congressional District.
 * David M. Potts ’26, ’33 (1906-1976), Republican member of the United States House of Representatives, New York’s 26th Congressional District.
 * Benjamin S. Rosenthal ’49, Democratic member of the United States House of Representatives, New York’s 6th, 7th, and 8th Congressional Districts.
 * Lawrence J. Smith ’64, Democratic member of the United States House of Representatives, Florida’s 16th Congressional District.
 * Steven Cymbrowitz ’90, Democratic member of the New York State Assembly, 45th District.
 * David N. Dinkins ’56, Mayor of New York City from 1990 through 1993, the first and only African-American to hold that office.
 * Jeffrey Dinowitz ’79, Democratic member of the New York State Assembly, 81st District.
 * Leonard Garment ’49, White House Counsel to U.S. President Richard Nixon.
 * Howard L. Lasher ’68, Democratic member of the New York State Assembly’s 46th and 47th Districts. First orthodox Jewish person elected to state office in New York State.
 * Thomas V. Ognibene ’74, Republican member of the New York City Council, 30th District; held the position of Council minority leader.
 * Nicholas Scoppetta ’62, 31st Fire Commissioner of the City of New York and first Commissioner of the Administration for Children’s Services.
 * Sheldon Silver ’68, Speaker of the New York State Assembly, Democratic member of the Assembly, representing the 64th District.
 * Benjamin Ward ’65 (1926-2002), first African-American New York City Police Commissioner.
 * Mark S. Weprin ’92, Democratic Member of the New York State Assembly, 24th District.
 * Frank X. Altimari ’51 (1928-1998), judge of the United States Court of Appeals for the Second Circuit.
 * Henry Bramwell ’48, first African-American judge appointed to the United States District Court for the Eastern District of New York.
 * Dorothy Chin-Brandt ’74, first Asian-American woman judge in New York State.
 * Mark Americus Costantino '47, United States District Judge for the United States District Court for the Eastern District of New York from 1971 to 1990.
 * I. Leo Glasser ’48, United States District Judge for the Eastern District of New York. He served as Dean of Brooklyn Law School from 1977 to 1983.
 * Sterling Johnson, Jr. ’66, senior United States District Judge for the Eastern District of New York. He served as the second Special Narcotics Prosecutor for the City of New York, serving for 16 years. During that time, the reputation of the office spread nationally and it became known for its expertise in fighting both street level crime and large-scale drug trafficking.
 * Edward R. Korman `66, United States District Judge for the Eastern District of New York, serving as Chief Judge from 2000 to 2007. He serves as Vice Chairman of the Brooklyn Law School Board of Trustees.
 * Shirley Wohl Kram '50, United States District Judge for the United States District Court for the Southern District of New York from 1983 to the present.
 * Mary Johnson Lowe '54, United States District Judge for the United States District Court for the Southern District of New York from 1978 to 1999.
 * Ann T. Pfau ’84, Chief Administrative Judge of the New York State Unified Court System.
 * William C. Thompson ’54, justice of the New York State Supreme Court, Appellate Division, Second Department. He was the founder of nation’s first community development corporation, Bedford Stuyvesant Restoration Corporation.
 * Peter Tom ’75, first Asian-American appellate justice in New York State
 * Edwin Torres ’57, New York State Supreme Court justice and is a best-selling author of crime novels.
 * James L. Watson ’51 (1922-2001), judge of the United States Customs Court and of its successor, the United States Court of International Trade.
 * Milton Cooper ’53, Chief Executive Officer, Kimco Realty Corporation.
 * Wanda K. Denson-Low ’81, Senior Vice President, Office of Internal Governance of Boeing Company.
 * Noah J. Hanft ’76, General Counsel and Corporate Secretary, MasterCard International.
 * Lawrence Jacobs ’81, Senior Executive Vice President and Group General Counsel, News Corporation.
 * Susan L. Merrill ’86, Executive Vice President and Chief of Enforcement, Financial Industry Regulatory Authority.
 * George H. Ross ’53, Executive Vice President and Senior Counsel, Trump Organization. He appeared on two seasons of The Apprentice.
 * Barry Salzberg ’77, Chief Executive Officer, Deloitte & Touche USA LLP
 * Larry A. Silverstein ’55, President and Chief Executive Officer, Silverstein Properties, Inc.; owner of the World Trade Center at the time of the September 11, 2001 attacks. The company is currently rebuilding part of the World Trade Center Site.
 * Stuart Subotnick ’68, partner and Chief Operating Officer, Metromedia Company; Chairman, Brooklyn Law School Board of Trustees.
 * Thomas Sung ’64, Chairman and Managing Officer, Abacus Federal Savings Bank.
 * Percy Sutton ’50, first African-American Manhattan Borough President and founder of Inner City Broadcasting Corporation.
 * Bernard Madoff, Left school after first year. He would have been class of '63 or '64 had he finished.
 * Frank J. Aquila ’83, senior partner, Sullivan & Cromwell LLP; Member of the Board of Trustees of Brooklyn Law School
 * Dennis J. Block ’67, senior partner, Cadwalader, Wickersham & Taft LLP
 * John Carro ’56, founding partner, Carro, Velez, Carro & Mitchell, LLP, the largest Latino-owned law firm in New York.
 * Bruce Cutler ’74, high-profile criminal defense lawyer.
 * Stephen J. Dannhauser ’75, Chairman, Weil, Gotshal & Manges LLP
 * Francis E. Dec (1926–1996), infamously become a cult figure conspiracy theorist, subject of a book, a play, and recordings.
 * Herbert Dicker ’55, founding partner, Wilson Elser Moskowitz Edelman & Dicker LLP.
 * Todd R. Eisner ’95, prominent real estate lawyer.
 * Ronald M. Green ’68, founding partner, Epstein Becker & Green, PC
 * Allen J. Grubman ’67 and *Arthur I. Indursky ’67, senior partners, Grubman Indursky & Shire, PC, a leading entertainment and media law firm.
 * Lydia Kess ’62, first woman partner, Davis Polk & Wardwell LLP; currently serves as senior counsel.
 * Gerald B. Lefcourt ’67, high-profile criminal defense lawyer.
 * E. Leo Milonas ’60, partner of Pillsbury Winthrop Shaw Pittman LLP; former Associate Justice, Appellate Division of the Supreme Court of the State of New York; First Department and Chief Administrative Judge of the State of New York.
 * Burt Pugach, infamously sent to jail for 14 years for hiring three thugs to attack his girlfriend Linda Riss. The thugs threw lye in her face, leaving her blind and permanently scarred. Pugach was the subject of the movie Crazy Love.
 * Gerald L. Shargel ’69, high-profile lawyer; Practitioner-in-Residence at Brooklyn Law School.
 * Himan Brown ’31, member of the Radio Hall of Fame and recipient of the Peabody Award and American Broadcast Pioneer Award. He created and produced dramatic series such as "The Adventures of the Thin Man," "Dick Tracy," "Grand Central Station," and the "Inner Sanctum."
 * Jeffrey B. Gewirtz ’94, Senior Vice President and General Counsel, New Jersey Nets.
 * Timothy Kelly ’05, former General Manager for the Long Island Lizards of Major League Lacrosse; current General Manager of the New York Titans of the National Lacrosse League.
 * Irving "Swifty" Lazar ’31 (1907-1993), legendary talent agent and deal-maker, representing both movie stars and authors.
 * Geraldo Rivera '69, television journalist, attorney, and former talk show host.
 * Lonn A. Trost ’71, Chief Operating Officer and General Counsel, New York Yankees.
 * Frieda B. Hennock ’24, first woman Federal Communications Commissioner.
 * Adam Kidan, sentenced on March 29, 2006 to five years and 10 months in prison and ordered to pay restitution of more than $21 million, for his involvement in the SunCruz casino deal with Jack Abramoff.
 * Sumner Lark ’16, first African-American assistant district attorney, New York City.
 * Jerome Prince '33 (1907-1988), former dean, serving from 1953 to 1971; renowned evidence scholar and author of the widely-used text Prince on Evidence.
 * Robert "Rosie" Rosenthal (1917 - 2007), highly-decorated pilot in the Eighth Air Force of the United States Army Air Forces in World War II. After the war, he helped to prosecute the Nazis in the Nuremberg Trials.
 * I think Bernard Madoff should be included per WP guidelines ("All alumni [...] are to be included on an alumni list, regardless of how much time they have spent on a school roll [...] and whether or not they graduated.")Becky Sayles (talk) 22:06, 28 July 2013 (UTC)


 * I just spent a lot of time looking at other similar lists. Most don't have refs, though a minority do.   It seems pretty clear that the common practice is that refs are not required.  Todd -- have you looked?  Really, the vast majority don't have any refs at all!  Look at Columbia Law School for example ... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Columbia_Law_School_alumni .... are you now going to delete their entire list?  I'm guessing you won't.  Why would you pick on this list, while most lists don't have references? Seems unfair, and I wonder what your special reason is.--199.102.168.8 (talk) 00:13, 9 October 2013 (UTC)