Talk:Brothers Poem

Text?
Where is the text itself? It's only twenty lines long in the original, and with a translation appended it can't stretch to an unmanageable size.

At least there ought to be a link.

Nuttyskin (talk) 23:51, 7 July 2019 (UTC)
 * Several of the sources linked include translations; Whitmarsh's and Payne's are both freely available online. The difficulty with including a translation is that there are no freely-licensed ones, and quoting a non-free translation in full is not likely to comply with wikipedia's policies on fair use.  If a freely licensed translation existed we could include it, but my Greek is not up to creating one.
 * We could link a translation in an External links section, I guess, but per WP:ELRC we generally shouldn't include sources which are already linked as references in the EL section. If there is a good translation somewhere online which we could include as an external link I wouldn't be opposed to including it, but I'm not finding a glaringly obvious candidate.  There's this translation by Annalisa Quinn, but though she apparently has an MPhil in classical Greek she is not a professional classicist or translator.  The translation mostly looks reasonable to me, but I'm very much not in love with "hurricane".  Or there's Nagy's translation here, which has the advantages of being by a professional classicist and published by a reputable university, but I think it sacrifices readability for literalness.  Finally, this translation is a blog. It's by Joel Christensen, who is an expert in the field, but WP:ELNO#11 is stricter than WP:SPS ("as a minimum standard, recognized authorities who are individuals always meet Wikipedia's notability criteria for people") and I am not convinced that Christensen meets WP:NBIO or WP:NPROF Caeciliusinhorto-public (talk) 13:35, 8 July 2019 (UTC)
 * This response suggests to me that you actually are up to the task of creating a new translation, despite your protestations :) You would, of course, take due note of existing translations but not rely too heavily on any one of them. Haukur (talk) 13:45, 8 July 2019 (UTC)

Provenance of P.Sapph.Obbink
Just a note (in case anyone other than me watches this page!) that since the recent allegations against Obbink and especially Eidolon's latest on the topic, the provenance of P.Sapph.Obbink is obviously a much more important subject than the article currently reflects. I am putting together sources to address this at the moment – thus far, mostly those cited in the Eidolon piece. Feel free to add any more here for me to look at if you don't feel up to digging into the weeds of this yourselves. (Or, you know, be bold and write something yourself!) Caeciliusinhorto (talk) 22:11, 5 November 2019 (UTC)
 * For any page watchers: added a brief precis of the situation with links to the Eidolon article and Charlotte Higgins' in the Guardian yesterday here; I am drafting something more thorough in my userspace here if anyone wants to look it over. Given that most of the discussion is in archaeologists' personal blogs, I think it's probably best to wait and see what happens with Mike Sampson's promised "forthcoming academic article" before going into this level of detail... Caeciliusinhorto-public (talk) 12:03, 10 January 2020 (UTC)
 * And, uh, Sampson's article was published in 2020, while I was distracted by some global pandemic thing. Oops.  Trying to get hold of it now.  Since then, Bierl & Lardinois have retracted Obbink's account of the provenance in their book, so I have made a note of that in the article as a fairly important development! Caeciliusinhorto (talk) 21:53, 24 August 2021 (UTC)

Main page appearance
This is to let people know that this article has been scheduled as today's featured article for December 20, 2019, and specifically paging the FAC nominator(s),. It would be good if someone checked that the article needs no amendments. The main page blurb text can be viewed and edited at Today's featured article/December 20, 2019.—Wehwalt (talk) 14:08, 22 November 2019 (UTC)
 * Hi and other interested editors. This is to let you know that as a part of preparing this article for TFA I have asked GOCE to run an eye over it for MoS-compliance and grammar, and possible tweaking a of little of the language to ensure that it is at it's very best for its appearance on the main page. If you have any queries about any of the edits don't hesitate to let me know. Thanks. Gog the Mild (talk) 22:49, 25 November 2019 (UTC)