Talk:Brothers of Italy/Archives/2022/October

Political position
@User:Barlafus: this is not the correct way to act, a user cannot remove information (with edit war) just because he does not agree with it. I don't agree with that political position either, but neutrality comes first: we must report what the sources state. Before removing information from a long-established version of the page you must first find consensus. However no, it is not the same scheme as PCI-PDS-DS: FdI is located more to the right than the National Alliance of the 2000s. Scia Della Cometa (talk) 21:20, 4 October 2022 (UTC)
 * I agree that we should discuss first, but I also agree with User:Barlafus that "far-right" is misplaced in this article's infobox and intro. The FdI party is the latest evolution of the MSI/AN political family and it is surely to the left of AN. Not only the FdI party is a much broader party including more Christian democrats and liberals, but it is its political program to be clearly more moderate than that of AN. --Checco (talk) 06:18, 5 October 2022 (UTC)
 * Most academic sources vehemently state that FdI is a far-right party and part of the European radical right. They are listed throughout the article. A consensus was already formed about describing it as "right-wing to far-right" in order to cover all that is found in WP:RS. So, as Wikipedia is founded on sources, it's definitely WP:DUE to have "far-right" among the descriptors of the FdI party. Yakme (talk) 10:47, 5 October 2022 (UTC)
 * WP:3RR and WP:BRD (optional) exist. I've noticed that EdJohnston noticed this edit warring yesterday; Barlafus did not respond yet. This is clearly a dispute between some editors. We've had a RfC on whether to include neo-fascism in the infobox; it was kept but as a footnote in the infobox. Majority of reliable sources, news and scholar ones, describe FdI as far-right; the consensus is to keep "right-wing to far-right" and this should be only changed via RfC, not with edit-warring. FdI's page is controversial, so I'd suggest to refrain from edit warring and follow WP:BRD instead; this will develop a more healthy environment.
 * If you have any sources that claim that "the FdI party is a much broader party including more Christian democrats and liberals, but it is its political program to be clearly more moderate than that of AN", feel free to present them here. should read WP:RELIABLE and check WP:RSP; edit summaries such as "there are many leftist sources saying that. But this is an encyclopedia not a political fanzine", "even between the cited “leftist” academic sources", and claiming that certain websites are leftist just because you disagree with the descriptor, are unconstructive, especially when you're edit-warring. Vacant0 (talk) 10:58, 5 October 2022 (UTC)

I mean I myself was wondering why exactly is the political party not labeled in the initial description as a far right party, despite the article itself actually including a source that classifies them as such. I think info could be slightly reorganized so that the label is stated at the beginning; since for example far right parties tend to be populist anyway so the beginning text is a bit redundant. Chefs-kiss (talk) 13:40, 18 October 2022 (UTC)