Talk:Brownsville, Brooklyn

Famous people
Well gentleman, you can add the late Mel Taylor, who was the deceased drummer from the surf rock band "The Ventures" who was also born in Brownsville, Brooklyn in 1933, and NOT in Tacoma Washington as we all thought he was. I bought some second-hand old Ventures albums recently, the the seller told that Mel Taylor was a New Yorker born in Brownsville, Brooklyn and that's how I found out about same. The seller has a lot of Ventures albums, which I picked-up from him at a garage sale when he told me of same. See - You learn something new everyday, and the Ventures are the finest instrumental groups that ever existed. All four of their original members are now deceased starting with drummer Mel Taylor in 1996, Bob Bogel the guitarist in 2009, Nokie Edwards in 2018, and their founder Don Wilson on January 22, 2022. That's all for now. Have a Happy holiday for 2022. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2603:7000:7800:18BB:C16B:AF25:84B3:DE4B (talk) 11:20, 25 December 2022 (UTC)

I propose this is changed to read Notable residents, with the criteria for inclusion being at least an article on wikipedia - i.e. no red links - this will prevent random vanilisting - Tiswas (t) 13:06, 2 May 2007 (UTC)


 * Done. What else do you suggest doing to get the wikify tag removed that you have placed? Angrymansr 14:11, 2 May 2007 (UTC)
 * wikify tag removed as per WP:WFY. - Tiswas (t) 08:53, 3 May 2007 (UTC)
 * Also removed non-notable listing - Tiswas (t) 08:53, 3 May 2007 (UTC)
 * The tag is still there. I will remove it. Angrymansr 14:17, 3 May 2007 (UTC)

JAY-Z is NOT from Brownsville and his name should be removed from this list. He's from marcy projects in BEDFORD STUYVESANT. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.215.167.22 (talk) 22:46, 17 March 2008 (UTC) I removed his name, anyway. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.215.167.22 (talk) 22:50, 17 March 2008 (UTC)

Facts Section
Some entries in the fact section have relative time based terms such as "recently" and "in the last few years". These will eventually become useless, unless they are already. If they can be made to be absolute dates/years That'd be helpful. Also the last sentence in this section is just a list of the public housing buildings. The last "fact" was obviously just cut and pasted into this article and needs rewritten by someone more knowledgeable on the subject. I just came across this and found it lacking. 71.79.138.31 (talk) 00:23, 8 October 2008 (UTC)

Three Stooges issue
The biographical entries for the Three Stooges listed under residents indicate Bensonhurst as their neighborhood rather than Brownsville. Needs checking or correction at this site or others....--Mjd60 12:27, 19 June 2007 (UTC)
 * I removed this back in August but never posted about it here, just in the summary. The three stooges were in fact from Bensonhurst, not Brownsville. For any future editors who feel they need to be re-added here, please see http://www.threestooges.com/bios before doing so. Thanks Angrymansr (talk) 18:11, 16 January 2008 (UTC)

Crime Stats
I believe that the crime stats listed in this article are quite outdated, perhaps by as much as 15 years. The 2006 murder count was only 22.24.188.4.146 03:30, 31 August 2007 (UTC)ZK


 * This is the most dangerous neighborhood in the universe, i've never seen anything worse. IF ANY ONE DOUBTS OR REFUTES THIS WALK ON PITKIN OR SUTTER AVENUE AFTER 1:00 AM. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 151.202.74.121 (talk) 23:37, 27 February 2008 (UTC)

Only 22? You do realize Brownsville is only one square mile? Homicides may not be as high as they were at it's peak (100+ a year) during the crack epidemic but there is still a very significant number today. BTW it was 28 homicides within that square mile in 2007. Violent crime is still a very serious problem in the community. Wikiwiki718 (talk) 04:36, 4 March 2008 (UTC)

Northern Boundary of Brownsville
I am pretty positive Atlantic Avenue is the northern Boundary of Brownsville. North of East NY Avenue is Prospect Plaza which is always considered Brownsville. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Wikiwiki718 (talk • contribs) 22:32, 5 March 2008 (UTC)

The borders that are listed do not make sense. Only three streets are listed. How does this relate to the borders specified in East New York entry? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Mdporter (talk • contribs) 20:59, 7 May 2009 (UTC)

A Positive Brownsville?
I am a teaching artist and I currently work at the Kurt Hahn School on Tilden one day a week teaching digital photography. I am very saddened by this entry and I am interested in working with my class to create some images and information about positive parts of Brownsville, a good restaurant, an exciting resident, something up to date. I would like to add some mention of good things happening in the area without downplaying the serious problems that do exist there. If anyone has any ideas or suggestions of things we should check out for our project please leave a comment for me. 24.46.59.218 (talk) 20:27, 22 March 2008 (UTC)BillyKeefe

Langston Hughes Project Development
Langston Hughes Project development is made up of three buildings. 301, 315 and 335 Sutter Avenue. Each has 22 stories, with eight apartments per floor on floors 2-22. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.114.65.123 (talk) 15:26, 6 August 2009 (UTC)

Poor Wording
Along with East New York, Brownsville is one of the worst if not the worst neighborhood crime wise in Brooklyn. It also has the highest Murder Rate along with neighboring East New York. The 73rd Precinct and 75th Precinct of the NYPD in Brooklyn both have the worst crime problem in all of New York City.

While I understand that both of these neighborhoods have high crime only one can have the highest murder rate. Also "one of the worst if not the worst" is really clumsy writing. --Cmdrkynes (talk) 14:51, 23 August 2009 (UTC)

Bias, POV
"The community fumed over the loss of a black boy at the hands of law enforcement. The community quickly became incensed at the realization that a black child running (a) could automatically be considered suspicious of having committed a crime; and (b) could not run down the street, as children often do, without being murdered by law enforcement."

Black boy? That seems insensitively worded. Additionally, there is mass generalization here. Stating the community "realized" something presumes it to be absolutely true, and part (b) is worded to imply that a black child running had a significant chance of being shot down by law enforcement, which is obviously not true. If it was, this single incident could not have come to light as it did. I am removing this sentence because it is not substantive and the fuming of the residents is implied by the statement that there was a riot. (12:51 PM EST, 1/31/2012) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 192.76.177.124 (talk) 17:51, 31 January 2012 (UTC)

Lower Middle Class
Under what criteria is Brownsville considered "lower middle class"??? Brownsville is a pure low-income community or if you MUST get fancy and stretch things; possibly "working poor" AT BEST. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 8.35.168.150 (talk) 20:40, 13 April 2013 (UTC)

Intro paragraph
Yeah, I took out a big chuck of that because most of the sources provided didn't actually provide the information that it claimed. It was just generic links about the Hispanic population in general or the zip code, nothing about the neighborhood specifically, and even the information providing the racial information by zip code conflicts with what is written here. I feel someone should revert it, I would, but I'm not sure when it was changed. FamAD123 (talk) 02:22, 1 October 2013 (UTC)

History: predominantly Jewish discrepancy
In the history section, it says it was mostly Jewish until the 1950s, but then later on it says 1960s. Which is it?

CrocodilesAreForWimps (talk) 22:24, 13 November 2013 (UTC)

Why only the Police??
The change of the topic heading from Police to Emergency Services was to show there is no bias towards just the NYPD. The information added to the new topic was taken directly from Wikipedia's pages for the FDNY and FDNY*EMS. Why change it back? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 12.169.71.4 (talk) 13:16, 23 June 2015 (UTC)

External links modified
Hello fellow Wikipedians,

I have just modified 1 one external link on Brownsville, Brooklyn. Please take a moment to review my edit. If you have any questions, or need the bot to ignore the links, or the page altogether, please visit this simple FaQ for additional information. I made the following changes:
 * Added archive https://web.archive.org/web/20070127125602/http://www.rogernygard.com:80/suckers/cast.htm to http://www.rogernygard.com/suckers/cast.htm

When you have finished reviewing my changes, please set the checked parameter below to true or failed to let others know (documentation at ).

Cheers.— InternetArchiveBot  (Report bug) 13:59, 9 November 2016 (UTC)

External links modified
Hello fellow Wikipedians,

I have just modified 5 external links on Brownsville, Brooklyn. Please take a moment to review my edit. If you have any questions, or need the bot to ignore the links, or the page altogether, please visit this simple FaQ for additional information. I made the following changes:
 * Added archive https://web.archive.org/web/20150525030524/http://www.nyc.gov/html/nycha/html/home/home.shtml to http://www.nyc.gov/html/nycha/html/home/home.shtml
 * Added archive https://web.archive.org/web/20161005135214/https://www.dnainfo.com/new-york/20151231/bed-stuy/34-community-gardens-saved-from-demolition-after-city-makes-them-parks to https://www.dnainfo.com/new-york/20151231/bed-stuy/34-community-gardens-saved-from-demolition-after-city-makes-them-parks
 * Added archive https://web.archive.org/web/20161009130243/https://www.dnainfo.com/new-york/crime-safety-report/brooklyn/brownsville to https://www.dnainfo.com/new-york/crime-safety-report/brooklyn/brownsville
 * Added archive https://web.archive.org/web/20161009221809/https://www.dnainfo.com/new-york/20151216/crown-heights/crown-heights-rescue-company-get-new-firehouse-brownsville-fdny-says to https://www.dnainfo.com/new-york/20151216/crown-heights/crown-heights-rescue-company-get-new-firehouse-brownsville-fdny-says
 * Added archive https://web.archive.org/web/20110727175003/http://www.pitkinbid.org/about-history.htm to http://www.pitkinbid.org/about-history.htm
 * Added tag to http://web.mta.info/capital/pdf/CapitalProgram2016-19_WEB%20v4%20FINAL_small.pdf

When you have finished reviewing my changes, you may follow the instructions on the template below to fix any issues with the URLs.

Cheers.— InternetArchiveBot  (Report bug) 04:37, 3 November 2017 (UTC)

External links modified
Hello fellow Wikipedians,

I have just modified 6 external links on Brownsville, Brooklyn. Please take a moment to review my edit. If you have any questions, or need the bot to ignore the links, or the page altogether, please visit this simple FaQ for additional information. I made the following changes:
 * Added archive https://web.archive.org/web/20121019021221/http://www.oprhp.state.ny.us/hpimaging/hp_view.asp?GroupView=3115 to http://www.oprhp.state.ny.us/hpimaging/hp_view.asp?GroupView=3115
 * Added archive https://web.archive.org/web/20121019021244/http://www.oprhp.state.ny.us/hpimaging/hp_view.asp?GroupView=3114 to http://www.oprhp.state.ny.us/hpimaging/hp_view.asp?GroupView=3114
 * Added tag to http://blogs.villagevoice.com/runninscared/archives/2010/03/brownsville_rio.php
 * Added archive https://web.archive.org/web/20110713232012/http://www.longislandexchange.com/brooklynqueens/brownsville.html to http://www.longislandexchange.com/brooklynqueens/brownsville.html
 * Added archive https://web.archive.org/web/20131004225856/http://www.nyc.gov/html/nypd/html/housing_bureau/psa2.shtml to http://www.nyc.gov/html/nypd/html/housing_bureau/psa2.shtml
 * Added archive https://web.archive.org/web/20131231075257/http://www.chron.com/news/crime/article/Crime-is-down-but-decline-lags-in-NY-neighborhood-5102029.php to http://www.chron.com/news/crime/article/Crime-is-down-but-decline-lags-in-NY-neighborhood-5102029.php
 * Added archive https://web.archive.org/web/20110525062846/http://www.nyc.gov/html/nypd/downloads/pdf/crime_statistics/cs073pct.pdf to http://www.nyc.gov/html/nypd/downloads/pdf/crime_statistics/cs073pct.pdf

When you have finished reviewing my changes, you may follow the instructions on the template below to fix any issues with the URLs.

Cheers.— InternetArchiveBot  (Report bug) 08:46, 22 December 2017 (UTC)

Family number wrong?
From the article ... "By then, people were afraid to go out at night, and the forty white families in south Brownsville were concerned about public housing being expanded southward"

Reading the original it talks about 400 families and 40% of that population being concern about increases in prices, not southward expansion of public housing. Should probably be fixed? Source --> https://www.nytimes.com/1971/05/08/archives/brownsville-back-to-normal-despair.html — Preceding unsigned comment added by 216.38.116.4 (talk) 15:03, 25 May 2018 (UTC)
 * ✅ Thanks! -- irn (talk) 19:47, 25 May 2018 (UTC)

Gentrification in Brownsville?
When Governor Cuomo is planning to improve the neighborhood, is it gentrifying Brownsville? https://www.nytimes.com/2017/03/14/nyregion/cuomos-1-4-billion-plan-in-brooklyn-stirs-fears-of-gentrification.html --  Happypillsjr    ✉    02:31, 17 August 2018 (UTC)

What about the women of Brownsville
There were many powerful women who helped pave the way the those early years. They kept the children off the street with programs that fed the community and participated in the school crisis proposed and implemented the first School For Unwed Mothers Program and Started the first NYC HRA Day Care Centers in Brownsville. Ms. Sally Matthews started a Majorities and Cheerleading program for the young girls to get them off the street and cheer for the boys' basketball teams, Bishop Mary L Spann gave Brownsville Community Council the Proposal for the First School For Unwed Mothers which opened on Grafton Street, she had a Youth Training Center which taught the teenagers Clerical Skills, She had a Emergency food Pantry who the city would call any day and And time to get food for homeless families she gave groceries to the community and she COOKED home meals and fed them. St. Timothy Holy Church Inc. on Amboy Street between Sutter and Pitkin was a Haven to the youth after school, Mike Tyson even came there. She was even voted The Mother of Brownsville because she was so involved in her community. She was one of the first families to move in the Van Dyke Houses in the 1950s. She and Pastor Martha Udell of Faith Hope and Charity were Cchrys246! (talk) 14:06, 15 January 2024 (UTC)