Talk:Bruce Bawer

Pivotal quote to understand Bawer
Doesn't this opening statement of "Three Radicals: Inside Europe's Leftist Elite", or a paraphrasing of it, merits inclusion in the article?

A few years back, after a prolonged immersion in American Protestant fundamentalism (I was writing a book), I moved from the U.S. to Western Europe, ready to bask in an open, secular, liberal culture. Instead I discovered that European social democracy, too, was a kind of fundamentalism, rigid and doctrinaire, yielding what Swedish writer Johan Norberg calls "one-idea states"—nations where an echo chamber of insular elites calls the shots, where monochrome media daily reiterate statist mantras and shut out contrarian views, and where teachers and professors systematically misrepresent the U.S. (millions of Europeans believe that free public schools, unemployment insu rance, and pensions are unknown in America). The more I saw of the European elites' chronic distrust of the public, and the public's habitual deference to those elites, the fonder I grew of the nasty, ridiculous rough-and-tumble of American democracy, in which every voice is heard—even if, as a result, the U.S. gets capital punishment and Europe gets gay marriage.

—Cesar Tort 01:08, 26 October 2008 (UTC)

HUGE tangent
This article has 21 citations, and fully 19 of those are behind claims critical to a small party in Sweden. I cannot see why a single article is garnering the bulk of all citations, and primarily as a criticism of a single party at a single issue that has very little to do with the net scope of Bawer's biography. I'm leaning towards removing it to clean the article up. Dolewhite (talk)


 * I was queried on my statements about the Sweden Democrats and included citations to support my claim. I have now simply reinserted the word "xenophobic", with source references to prove that the word is apt. If you think it constitutes too large a part of the article, then by all means flesh out the article as a whole.Ojevindlang (talk) 05:47, 27 April 2009 (UTC)

Very interesting that someone tries to play the "xeneophobic" car in an apparent way to discredit Bawer. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 143.226.45.15 (talk) 22:20, 27 April 2009 (UTC)

What's more, many of the articles linked to are things like blogs, etc, and many have nothing to do with the claim that the Sweden Democrats are xenophobic ("Sweden Democrats call for end to reindeer herding Sami privileges" at the Reindeer Blog for instance). In any case, drowning somebody in links doesn't prove your point, and "xenophobic" is a very non-NPOV word to use. As the poster above me has said, it's clearly aimed at discrediting Bawer and doesn't serve any useful purpose. I would say it should be removed. Midos (talk) 09:32, 28 April 2009 (UTC)


 * I have removed that paragraph after rereading the article. It's about a single, fairly unremarkable article written by Bawer – if you're going to write about every article he has published, great, but don't focus in on that one just because you don't like his argument in it. Midos (talk) 09:37, 28 April 2009 (UTC)

Removed Enormous Bias
I've adjusted the language so it became somewhat more impartial than the wording previously used. In its prior form, this article was a fan article claiming that Bawer's depiction of Europe and Islam is the final, incontestable truth.Ojevindlang (talk) 00:21, 28 July 2009 (UTC)

Inspiring mass-murder
Bower has inspired Norwegian mass murderer Anders Breivik, quote wrom WSJ: "In his manifesto, which is written in such good English that one wonders whether he had the assistance of a native speaker, Breivik quotes approvingly and at length from my work, mentioning my name 22 times. It is chilling to think that blog entries that I composed in my home in west Oslo over the past couple of years were being read and copied out by this future mass-murderer in his home in west Oslo." --Magabund (talk) 20:17, 25 July 2011 (UTC)


 * Thats not that much. He used Wikipedia 218 times --80.26.255.192 (talk) 10:53, 12 December 2015 (UTC)

/* Works */ removed unreferenced citation
I have removed the following:

He also suggests a physical solution for the problem he perceives: "European officials have a clear route out of this nightmare. They have armies. They have police. They have prisons. They're in a position to deport planeloads of people everyday. They could start rescuing Europe tomorrow."[page needed]

I removed it because there was no reference to a book page, and I also could not find the text using a PDF version of the book. I tried multiple search terms. The cited text is not in the book.

--Evert Mouw (talk) 17:02, 26 July 2011 (UTC)

Quote is from Bawer's blog, which is no longer up, but available archived here: http://web.archive.org/web/20071118025557/http://www.brucebawer.com/blogarchive2007.htm and it has also been referenced (with the link to the blog) in the book Blood and faith: the purging of Muslim Spain by Matthew Carr http://books.google.com/books?id=netlOtzI6R8C&pg=PA307 --Larrybob (talk) 18:19, 23 November 2011 (UTC)

Eurabia
The first sentence of Eurabia reads: "Eurabia is an islamophobic conspiracy theory ..." There is nothing in the article nor in Vaïsse 2010a that shows that Bawer's work is about a conspiracy between Arab and European governments. To imply that Bawer advances a conspiracy theory of that nature says that he is paranoid. This is a clear WP:BLP violation. The sources show that at worse he is a worrywart. Jason from nyc (talk) 23:53, 1 October 2012 (UTC)
 * Really? I do not know very well the Biographies of living persons policy of http://en.wikipedia.org/ . I did think that threes eurabians books (all currently listed in [ List of Eurabia literature]), some dozen articles, membership of the norvegian organization "rights.no"/"Human Rights Service", the many confirming sources that severak writing of Bruce Bawer belong to the Eurabia genre, including
 * "the strange new genre of "Eurabia" literature [...] these books [...] the high-pitched Claire Berlinski and Bruce Bawer" in Justin Vaïsse, Eurabian Follies, Foreign Policy, 2010-01;
 * "Littérature "Eurabia": quelques auteurs nord-américains [...] Bruce Bawer, While Europe Slept: How Radical Islam is Destroying the West from Within (2006) et Surrender: Appeasing Islam, Sacrificing Freedom (2009)." in Justin Vaïsse, L'Europe islamisée : réflexions sur un genre littéraire américain, Esprit, 2010-01;
 * "Bruce Bawer, author of the bestseller While Europe Slept" in Doug Saunders, ‘Eurabia’ opponents scramble for distance from anti-Muslim murderer, the Globe and Mail, 2011-07-26
 * "De har omtalt Eurabia-teoriene på redaksjonell plass, og HRS-medarbeideren Bruce Bawer har også skrevet på rights.no at han tar Eurabia-tesen alvorlig. Han mener det ikke i negativ forstand. [...] Men selv har jeg, akkurat som Storhaug, en rikholdig bokhylle. En av bøkene i den er «While Europe Slept» av allerede nevnte Bawer. Han benytter Bat Ye'or som en rimelig sentral kilde i boka, omtaler henne konsekvent som historiker og kommer ikke, så langt jeg kan se, med en eneste kritisk innvending. [...] Jeg velger å tro på Storhaug når hun framhever at hun ingenlunde er en konspirasjonsteoretiker, og jeg håper selvsagt at heller ikke HRS-medarbeider Bruce Bawer er det. Men her er dilemmaet: De har begge bidratt til å legitimere konspirasjonstenkningen. Bawer ved å bruke den for å bygge opp under sin heller egen dystopiske beskrivelse av Europa og Europas framtid." in Øyvind Strømmen, Storhaugs bibliotek, Dagbladet, 2011-08-12 (replying to and );
 * were sufficient to link the Eurabia page in the See also section. I am sorry if I was violating the BLP policy. Visite fortuitement prolongée (talk) 20:38, 2 October 2012 (UTC)

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Native Category
I'd like to know is there truly a difference between one finding out their ancestry on their own through proper records vs someone doing the work for them in the same way finding the same resultsSeminolegirl94 (talk) 21:05, 14 August 2019 (UTC)
 * The difference is between the type of source it is. If they write an essay, as this subject did, or talk about it in an interview, as have most of the others you've wanted to add to the verified cats, but provide no documentation that can be fact-checked, it's not something we can verify. If their comment is published in a stable source, it's WP:V/verifiable that they made the claim, but it's not verifiable that the claim is true, nor is it WP:RS/reliably sourced that the claim is true. Without the data being checked by expert genealogists, or even available to be looked at independently, we just don't know. - CorbieV  ☊ ☼ 21:15, 14 August 2019 (UTC)