Talk:Bruce Friedrich

POV
Bleurgh! This whole article is so POV it makes me retch! The PETA article in Wiki is a good template for the presentation of material on a contentious group so why not merge this article? Eddie.willers 21:58, 1 September 2005 (UTC)

Removed link: a more detailed explanation
I removed a link to selectively chosen quotes from Friedrich. The site was part of www.activistcash.com, a website dedicated to "exposing" the "radical" "anti-consumer movement": mostly what most people in the middle or left would call "pro-consumer" organizations, but with some genuinely radical ones as well. Such a site is not a good source for a balanced selection of Friedrich's views. -- Orange Mike 01:54, 20 March 2007 (UTC)

And neither is the extremist organization PETA.--29 February 2008--Susan Nunes —Preceding unsigned comment added by 207.228.60.4 (talk) 18:32, 29 February 2008 (UTC)
 * Why isn't PETA a good source for quotes from or about Friedrich since he works there? Obviously, those quotes would likely be pro-Friedrich, but they can be balanced by media or other quotes from or about him. Bob98133 (talk) 20:49, 29 February 2008 (UTC)
 * And what about PETA is extremist? They don't promote the mainstream point of view, but it's also not that far out, either.  Djk3 (talk) 22:57, 29 February 2008 (UTC)

Updates
Changed Freidrich's title from Dir. Vegan Campaigns to VP of Int'l Grassroots Campaigns.

Works: Added a couple of projects Friedrich worked on at PETA. Embedded link to Veganism in a Nutshell for formatting. Bob98133 12:35, 30 May 2007 (UTC)

Removed mention of the Catholic Vegetarian Society
I removed the statement that Friedrich "serves on the governing board of the Catholic Vegetarian Society", because that organization went defunct some years back. Wideangle (talk) 21:20, 26 December 2012 (UTC)

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What is wrong with this article
This article is a total advertisement made with original research and SYNTH. Most of the citations fit the description of WP:REFBOMB.

The content in section "Work with The Good Food Institute" is WP:OR with links to Friedrich's work, but there are no secondary sources discussing or covering these works; none covering he is an "active contributor", "has penned opinion pieces", or is a "frequent lecturer and debater on college campuses". The section "Work with Farm Sanctuary" is OR, and points to a non-existent website (not even in archive.org), presumably another primary source. The single citation in section "Teaching at Baltimore Freedom Academy" does not support the content. The single citation in section "Work with PETA" does not support the content.

The next section, "Early life and education", contains more OR, littered with his resume, his father's CV, his mother's obituary, a link to a book he read, and various primary source bios — not that any of this sort of content is controversial, but it is very poor form for a wikipedia article.

The sections "Writing" and "Multimedia" contain numerous external links to his writings, not citations used to support the content in the article. See MOS:EXTERNALLINKS which explains when, where and how external links are acceptable in a wiki article.

I'm not sure what would be left if I took my edit-scalpel and worked on this article. I'll give any page-watchers who care a one week fighting chance to upgrade the article before I schedule edit-surgery.

— Normal Op (talk) 11:29, 26 August 2020 (UTC)


 * Did some trimming. MOS:WORKS includes basically books, discography and film—that's it! It does NOT include listing every article someone ever wrote that was e-published on the internet. It does NOT include every youtube/TED video a person ever spoke in. It does not include mentioning every preface, foreword or introduction written for someone else's book. I left the Singer book because he authored an entire chapter. But the rest was trimmed per MOS:WORKS. Normal Op (talk) 01:49, 11 September 2020 (UTC)


 * There is much more work to be done on this article! Normal Op (talk) 02:05, 11 September 2020 (UTC)


 * Thanks for your contributions, Normal Op. I will try to do some cleanup on this page in the near future. Jmill1806 (talk) 13:35, 19 October 2020 (UTC)

I did some additional culling and reworking to address OG and SYNTH issues. Bezoma (talk) 12:23, 19 October 2020 (UTC)


 * Thanks for doing that, Bezoma. I think the lead in particular needs a lot of culling, right? It's just name dropping media companies. I have a busy week ahead but will try to do some work on this myself. Ideally those citations, at least the ones with something important in them, can be kept but integrated into the body of the article. Jmill1806 (talk) 13:34, 19 October 2020 (UTC)