Talk:Bruce Payne

Third opinion
Sorry to say, Ariel, but if you check out Links normally to be avoided, you will see that the website clearly violates #11, if not #3 as well. It shouldn't be kept here. hmwith talk  17:05, 17 June 2007 (UTC)

Uncategorized talk

 * I have pieced together the article from the biography on the official website, and various fan sites. - Mrcurly 10:39, 19 September 2005 (UTC)


 * Have emailed fan sites for assistance on the article - Mrcurly 11:16, 19 September 2005 (UTC)

Possible Additions

 * 1) A section devoted to his stage career (separated from the main acting subsection)
 * 2) Improved filmography (with subsections for TV, Stage and Musical)

Details in Dispute

 * 1) Date of Birth. Was Bruce born on November 22, 1960 as most sources quote, or was he born on May 20, 1961 as quoted on http://lmscully1.tripod.com/brucepayne/id1.html. Will assume Nov 22, 1960 unless there is evidence otherwise.
 * 2) How many awards did he receive? while at RADA. He received 7.
 * 3) What awards he has otherwise recieved (or been nominated for)?
 * 4) In what year did Bruce undergo surgery for spina bifida? Some quotes give the age of 14, and some seem to give the age of 16. Unless there is evidence otherwise, we'll say he was diagnosed at 14, and underwent surgery at 16.
 * 5) How did Bruce come to be learning at Shepperton Studios?... Did he sign up as an "extra" (as I think the official website biography states) or did he, as most other biographies state (in some way or another), just get in by "Putting his nascent acting talent to practical use, he would bluff his way into several film studios simply by looking confident and blending in."?
 * 6) Is there any information available regarding his time occupied with the Edinburgh Fringe Festival?

Way too long
There is just so much wrong with this article... way to long for any actor with way too much name dropping and other issues — Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.212.218.226 (talk) 08:50, 1 July 2014 (UTC)

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Neutral Point of view.
Much of this article is written like an autobiography there also un-sourced claims which *could* maybe represent an autobiography. I am not saying this for certain however it does seem as though large sections of the article is written by someone at least close to Bruce Payne. Many of the sources also fail, The Royal Academy of Dramatic Art (1980) An Entertainment, 19 November 1980 programme, GBS Theatre: London, may exists however I can't find any links with that name after much digging. It does seem there could possibly be Original Research in this article, however I would like to make this clear the only evidence I have is simply reading the article I don't have an definite proof, but it does seem to be fairly biased. Vallee01 (talk) 20:53, 19 April 2020 (UTC)
 * who are you accusing of having a conflict of interest? Which passages seem problematic to you? NinjaRobotPirate (talk) 03:31, 20 April 2020 (UTC)
 * There are multiple things which seem very biased when reading it, as an example the quote: "Payne revealed, "I know that my immediate family tell me that when I was very young I saw a play that my brother was in – probably a Peter Pan pantomime because it involved a crocodile – and I apparently shouted out 'That crocodile is going to eat my brother' and ran up on the stage. I don't remember that myself, but if it really happened, I think it shows that from an early age I loved that suspension of disbelief". This seems biased and an unnecessary inclusion to me, to me this quote does not need to be in the article and is simply fluff to make Bruce Payne relatable and put him in a positive light, you could argue that the section is necessary because it shows that Bruce Payne was interested in acting at a young age. However its not a necessary inclusion. The same idea can be given with far less bias and also far less words with simply: "Payne developed an interest for acting at an early age. In an interview with Impact magazine in 2001, Payne claimed that a crocodile from the play Peter Pan shouted that it would eat his brother and then proceeded to run up stage." In other words the same idea is expressed with less bias as well as less fluff, the issue with quotes is that when using quotes you are putting up a soapbox for people to express there ideas and Wikipedia is a neutral space. The Article is also almost written like a portfolio, it does document the life of Bruce Payne so much as it states Bruce Payne's accomplishments. If we take Ghandi as an example the article doesn't simply list off his achievements like a Portfolio it deals far more with his Personal Life and with his ideologies and other aspects of his life. In the current form the article it seems almost like an ad for Bruce Payne. Another issue is the sources, much of the sources have direct influence for Bruce Payne, by using so many Primary Sources much of the article becomes warped and therefor is unable to have a NPOV, there also certain sources that are completely biased in favor of Bruce Payne describing him as "Awesome" and "Fantastic". There are multiple other issues I see with the article but these where the primary ones. Vallee01 (talk) 04:04, 21 April 2020 (UTC)
 * If I remember correctly, the article originally cited a bunch of fansites before I cleaned up the article a bit. It looks like I left in some less-than-neutral prose and poor sources, but I see no evidence here that there's been any COI editing.  A long quotation, for example, is not evidence of COI or non-neutral editing – just poor skill at writing encyclopedia articles.  I can try to clean up this article again, but you can also do it yourself. NinjaRobotPirate (talk) 04:31, 21 April 2020 (UTC)

I am disagree on removing that quote, at the past it made me curious to read the full interview! also I don't see any problematic claims/info in the article.--Editor-1 (talk) 07:34, 21 April 2020 (UTC)