Talk:Bruce Rowland (drummer)

Some old notes of mine
This lot cannot go into the article as it stands - it dates from a period when I was not recording my sources. However, if the "facts" didn't come from Patrick Humphries' book, the most likely sources would be either one of Pete Frame's Family Trees, or Record Collector magazine. Here we go then:

Dave Mattacks leaves (for the second time) in January 1975 just prior to a European tour. He is replaced by roadie Paul Warren for the duration of the tour only, after which a permanent replacement is found in Bruce Rowland (10 February). The recording of "Rising For The Moon" was in two periods, either side of the tour; Paul Warren was not recorded.

Bruce Rowland had been in Wynder K. Frog, then Joe Cocker's Grease Band (Jan 1969 to 1970/71), then Ronnie Lane's Slim Chance (Sept 1973 to July 1974). Also in the Grease Band was Henry McCullough, who was later to be in Wings.

Bruce Rowland played on six tracks on the LP "Rising For The Moon" (Island ILPS 9313, July 1975): - LET IT GO (Swarbrick/Denny/Pegg) - STRANGER TO HIMSELF (Denny) - WHAT IS TRUE? (Denny) - IRON LION (Lucas) - AFTER HALLOWEEN (Denny) - NIGHT-TIME GIRL (Swarbrick/Pegg)

On the LP "Gottle o'Geer", Rowland is credited with playing "Drums, Keyboards, Vocals". He also has some composer credits: - LAY ME DOWN EASY (Swarbrick/Rowland) - CROPREDY CAPERS (Swarbrick/Rowland/Pegg) - DON'T BE LATE (Swarbrick/Rowland) - LIMEY'S LAMENT (Swarbrick/Rowland)

Rowland also has one co-composer credit on "Tippler's Tales": - AS BITME (Pegg/Rowland)

Fairport Convention officially split up 4 August 1979, but the final gig was actually on 5th August.

In an episode of BBC1's "Top Of The Pops" in November 1980, Robert Palmer mimed to his single "Looking for Clues". His four backing musicians were on guitar, bass, keyboards/xylophone, plus one Bruce Rowland on drums.

Bill Wyman (bassist with The Rolling Stones) issued some "solo" records during 1981-2; for his appearance on Top Of The Pops in August 1981 to promote "Si Si, Je Suis Un Rock Star" he is joined by an unidentified guitarist plus Bruce Rowland on drums. Wyman himself played keyboards in one performance, and bass in another; the two films were edited together into one for the broadcast.

Rowland does appear at some Fairport Reunions, including Cropredy 1982 (live album "AT2")

Bruce Rowland leaves Fairport Convention some time between the 1983 and 1984 Reunions and is replaced by Dave Mattacks. I didn't note who played drums on "Tears" (the B-side of "White Dress"). -- Red rose64 (talk) 10:52, 11 January 2010 (UTC)

Date of death
Please see http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/obituaries/11713882/Bruce-Rowland-drummer-obituary.html, and consider whether they are a reliable enough source for a DD of June 29th 2015, which is what is printed on the line in bold at the bottom of the obituary. Unless you have already spotted this and discounted it. Thanks. 86.112.58.46 (talk) 22:26, 2 July 2015 (UTC)
 * Yes, reputable newspaper obituaries always have the birth and death dates on the last line, not always in boldface. A Daily Telegraph obit is a good find, so I've added it in. -- Red rose64 (talk) 23:55, 2 July 2015 (UTC)
 * Glad to be of help. 86.112.58.46 (talk) 20:44, 3 July 2015 (UTC)

Date of birth
Bruce Rowland's date of birth has been changed back and forth from 1941 to 1939. The main reason it is being used as 1941 is because the Telegraph obit used that date. However, it also has other inaccurate information such as Bruce being part of Fairport's Manor Sessions. Fairport bandmate Dave Swarbrick has confirmed that is wrong. "He wasn't part of the manor sessions. loads more was wrong." See https://www.facebook.com/david.swarbrick.182?fref=ts and his post on Bruce Rowland from July 3. Bruce & Swarb have known each other for decades, and Swarbrick was keeping his Facebook friends abreast of Bruce's illness in the last week or 2. I think he should know Bruce's real date of birth!

So a) the article upon which Wikipedia relies is factually inaccurate in various ways, according to a bandmate who should know. b) the Noise 11 article which also references 1941. It was me who sent Paul Cashmere from Noise 11 the details of Bruce's death, which he hadn't been aware of previously. I used the 1941 date from Wikipedia, which we have subsequently learned was wrong. Therefore, it is unreliable.

Again Dave Swarbrick's quote is "An obituary of Bruce Rowland in today's telegraph. Jill went on Wikipedia to correct Bruce's birthdate and some bleeding scrote changed it back resulting in the telegraph getting it wrong if the scrote is one of my facemates. Change it back please. The correct date is 20/5/1939. Ta."

It'd be great if we could please revert it to the correct date and leave it as such.

Fstix (talk) 12:27, 4 July 2015 (UTC)
 * None of the people who altered 1941 to 1939 have provided a reliable source (Facebook is not reliable). The Telegraph obit says "who has died aged 74" which matches with a May 1941 birth. The year of 1941 and/or the age of 74 are also given in at least three other sources. Are there any sources which explicitly and credibly give the year of birth as 1939? Without those, we must go with 1941, per the policy on verifiability. -- Red rose64 (talk) 16:48, 4 July 2015 (UTC)

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