Talk:Bruce Willis/Archive 2

Waynes World episode
No mention of his appearance on an episode of Waynes World. It was a classic! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.99.107.78 (talk) 16:26, 26 March 2011 (UTC)

Link to Armageddon-movie in "Notable work(s)"-section is incorrect
Now the link leads to article about Armageddon in the Bible. The correct link is Armageddon (1998 film). — Preceding unsigned comment added by 91.154.241.216 (talk) 16:27, 12 May 2012 (UTC)

A quick fix needed?
Filmography is named twice. Suggested an editor removes one of these lines. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 79.68.100.71 (talk) 22:25, 18 January 2011 (UTC)
 * Fixed, thanks for catching that. --Happy editing! Nehrams2020 (talk • contrib) 00:03, 19 January 2011 (UTC)

He "encountered issues with a stutter"? What do you mean? Did he develop a stutter, or did he develop "issues" with others having a stutter? Please write clear and correct English. — Preceding unsigned comment added by JohnC (talk • contribs) 22:25, 8 January 2012 (UTC)

Kane & Lynch
I've been trying to put on here that Willis will be in the upcoming movie Kane & Lynch, but someone always deletes it. Can someone explain to me that? 76.31.96.99 (talk) 03:15, 11 February 2011 (UTC)
 * Per WP:MOSFILM, we don't list films in filmographies until they enter production. This is because they might not do so, per WP:CRYSTAL. Rodhull  andemu  05:54, 11 February 2011 (UTC)

Don't other actors with filmographies do that? Also, can the movie be put somewhere in his bio? Lacon432 (talk) 18:17, 11 February 2011 (UTC)
 * They shouldn't, according to the standard. But some people here are keen. There's no reason not to include forthcoming films in the article body; that makes it easier to correct if they never actually get made. Rodhull  andemu  18:23, 11 February 2011 (UTC)

brooke burns
Can't we remove Brooke Burns from the side bar under "partner". Wikipedia doesn't usually list partners unless they are still together or were together for an extended period of time, usually longer than there few years. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 173.15.30.125 (talk) 20:35, 19 July 2011 (UTC)

Deaf in one ear?
This media article claims Willis was rendered deaf in his left ear during filming of the first Die Hard film. Is there confirmation of that? It's not mentioned in the article (either here or the one for the film), so it might be bogus information. 70.72.211.35 (talk) 14:08, 17 December 2012 (UTC)

"German-born"
The lead with "German-born" is contrary to WP:MOSBIO, which says the nationality is "the country of which the person is a citizen, national or permanent resident, or if notable mainly for past events, the country where the person was a citizen, national or permanent resident when the person became notable." He became notable in the US. The fact that he was born in Germany is worth noting in his biography, but goes against Manual of Style for lead. --Tenebrae (talk) 23:58, 2 June 2015 (UTC)

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Birth name
His father was born David Andrew Willis. The family surname wasn't "Willison". While David Willis' obituary at the New Jersey website is now offline, an article about it is here. Also, this is Bruce's father on the 1930 U.S. Census. All Hallow&#39;s Wraith (talk) 05:45, 10 April 2016 (UTC)

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Motherless Brooklyn
Movie Motherless Brooklyn (2019) with Edward Norton should be added here. Bruce Willis is playing the role of Frank Minna. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Dickey99 (talk • contribs) 20:29, 5 August 2018 (UTC)

Air Strike
This movie is now not coming out. 86.45.47.235 (talk) 22:37, 17 October 2018 (UTC)

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Semi-protected edit request on 1 August 2020
Could someone change all instances of
 * Willis'

into
 * Willis's

for the sake of consistency, please? (Or vice versa, but MOS:POSS calls for the extra sibilant, if I'm not mistaken.) Except for the one in the references section, where fidelity trumps consistency, I suppose...

Cheers.

- 89.183.221.220 (talk) 14:27, 1 August 2020 (UTC)


 * ✅ –Deacon Vorbis (carbon &bull; videos) 15:01, 2 August 2020 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 5 August 2020
Dinomujaric67 (talk) 17:47, 5 August 2020 (UTC)

Years Active:1979-
 * ❌, see Bruce Willis filmography. ◢  Ganbaruby!   (Say hi!) 04:51, 6 August 2020 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 15 January 2021
In January 2020, he was asked to leave a Los Angeles Rite Aide store for not wearing a mask to protect against Covid-19.[59]

This happened in 2021.

This lines should be corrected or removed, the news is already passed. Towelthulu2021 (talk) 19:43, 15 January 2021 (UTC)
 * Yes check.svg Done  Seagull123  Φ  00:24, 16 January 2021 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 2 December 2021
Change "buckshot" to "birdshot" when discussing Dick Cheney shooting Harry Whittington. He was not shot with buckshot. Big difference. Flosfy (talk) 21:42, 2 December 2021 (UTC)
 * ✅ ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 21:49, 2 December 2021 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 30 March 2022
THERE NEEDS TO BE A HYPERLINK/SOURCE INPUT FOR THE APHASIA UPDATE. HOW IS THERE NOT ONE YET? HERE: https://www.theguardian.com/film/2022/mar/30/bruce-willis-to-retire-from-acting-following-aphasia-diagnosis 2607:FEA8:7DDF:3500:E972:9907:48AE:10BB (talk) 17:34, 30 March 2022 (UTC)
 * Pictogram voting wait.svg Already done It's already sourced in the body of the article. The lead does not require sources. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 17:40, 30 March 2022 (UTC)

Proper use of possessive English punctuation
In the page about Bruce Willis, it says, "Willis's other credits include". Correct the English 2603:900A:1600:C4C6:C80D:35B:8C70:F07F (talk) 01:22, 1 April 2022 (UTC)

Moving Willis's retirement from buried single sentence to stand-alone section
Since Willis is now retired, it seems to me that the circumstances of his retirement deserve their own stand-alone section. Silly-boy-three (talk) 04:47, 1 April 2022 (UTC)


 * How so? It’s part of his career timeline CreecregofLife (talk) 04:56, 1 April 2022 (UTC)


 * Yes the former section was redundant, but I felt that at least his retirement deserved its own section header. Thanks, Silly-boy-three (talk) 05:05, 1 April 2022 (UTC)
 * But why? CreecregofLife (talk) 05:16, 1 April 2022 (UTC)
 * So that a casual reader would more quickly be able to see that Willis is now retired. Suit yourself my friend. Silly-boy-three (talk) 05:53, 1 April 2022 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 31 March 2022
Bruce Wills is stepping away from acting after a diagnosis of aphasia, a condition that causes loss of the ability to understand or express speech, his family announced on Thursday. Taylok1 (talk) 09:45, 31 March 2022 (UTC)
 * Red information icon with gradient background.svg Not done for now: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. Happy Editing-- IAm Chaos  10:14, 31 March 2022 (UTC)
 * Already done: It was added pretty immediately when the news broke. Please remember to make sure the information you want to add isn’t already present when you make your request CreecregofLife (talk) 13:57, 31 March 2022 (UTC)

If someone can please edit this to re-state that he is retiring due to having symptoms of aphasia, that would be great. Aphasia is a symptom, not a diagnosis. https://www.uptodate.com/contents/aphasia-prognosis-and-treatment?search=aphasia&source=search_result&selectedTitle=2~150&usage_type=default&display_rank=2 — Preceding unsigned comment added by Henrock-Rony (talk • contribs) 23:44, 1 April 2022 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request for lead
Minor request for edit of opening syntax - it should read "retired American actor", not "American retired actor". — Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.190.195.217 (talk • contribs)
 * Done--CreecregofLife (talk) 23:43, 30 March 2022 (UTC)

Retired american, not american retired. Cite: https://www.thesaurus.com/e/grammar/adjective-order/ Easwarno1 (talk) 01:32, 4 April 2022 (UTC)


 * Doesn't seem like this has changed in the article. Oebelysk (talk) 17:39, 5 April 2022 (UTC)
 * That’s because it’s in contention. I’ve tried convincing them, but they keep making excuses CreecregofLife (talk) 18:08, 5 April 2022 (UTC)

Commercials
Is appearing in a Japanese commercial a notable achievement? He was in a bunch of wine cooler commercials in the 80s (and he sung...ugh). If we don't mention every single one of his films in this article, I don't think we need individual commercials. Bkatcher (talk) 04:03, 12 April 2022 (UTC)

Bruce Willis
I don't see a mention of the 2018 remake of Death Wish. It is a very good movie, and I would like to see it included in his filmography. 104.152.5.40 (talk) 00:08, 1 August 2022 (UTC)
 * It's listed in Bruce Willis filmography. Schazjmd   (talk)  00:20, 1 August 2022 (UTC)

"American retired actor" vs "retired American actor"
I've noticed there is some back and forth here about whether Willis should be listed as an "American retired actor" or a "retired American actor." I would suggest people try to establish consensus here rather than ping-pong the issue back and forth in edit summaries. Otherwise, this is prime material to end up at the list of lamest edit wars. TornadoLGS (talk) 20:31, 5 April 2022 (UTC)
 * There's a related discussion at Wikipedia_talk:Manual_of_Style/Biography. Schazjmd   (talk)  20:44, 5 April 2022 (UTC)

Honestly, to say that he is a "Retired American Actor" sounds better than saying "American Retired Actor" or "Actor American Retired" for that matter because he is retired, he is an American, and he is an actor. 50.107.131.242 (talk) 23:37, 4 June 2022 (UTC)
 * Yes. This is well covered at Order of Adjectives. HiLo48 (talk) 03:43, 5 June 2022 (UTC)
 * Not enough people seemed to understand CreecregofLife (talk) 05:42, 5 June 2022 (UTC)

Judging from the more extensive discussion several months ago, no concrete consensus seems to have come from that. Some argued of putting "retirement" before his nationality, while others argued for after. Some even suggested to remove the word "retired" entirely. Prior to June 2022, Willis' page had stated "American retired actor", which the discussion before it was archived seems to believe was the conclusion. You can argue about proper grammar rules and what modifies what, but saying things like "[Nationality] former [insert occupation]" seem to be valid wording used by some sources to describe people. Since this seems to have caused a lot of debate, I think removing his retirement status altogether until otherwise stated would be the best way to go. His own lede section already mentions his retirement announcement.

Also, as long as he's living, his retirement may not be permanent because no one has a crystal ball. For example, Michael J. Fox seemed to leave the possibility of returning to acting even with his retirement announcement ("at least for now"). Robert Redford admitted that announcing his retirement was a "mistake" because you never know the future and even Cameron Diaz came out of retirement to make a new movie. The latter source even claims that there is an "unretirement" trend going on now. For all we know, Willis could make a new film or tv show next year. Clear Looking Glass (talk) 15:48, 5 July 2022 (UTC)


 * None of that is relevant. He is retired, even if some day in the future he might not be (although, given his condition, that is extremely unlikely). Jibal (talk) 14:54, 5 August 2022 (UTC)
 * Even taking aside the last paragraph, I'd be fine if we remove the retirement status entirely, as a user suggested in the MOS board. We already have his retirement announcement covered in his lead section and biography and his active years in the infobox. Clear Looking Glass (talk) 20:11, 17 August 2022 (UTC)

"American retired actor" is grammatically wrong; it's a violation of the order of adjectives. -- Jibal (talk) 14:52, 5 August 2022 (UTC)
 * just put in retired American actor, its perfectly fine, i dont even understand this discussion --FMSky (talk) 15:03, 5 August 2022 (UTC)
 * Well, past discussion proved to be contentious, and starting this discussion again in a more active talk board would presumably bring another never-ending debate. It appeared to have been archived after a user assumed that the "American retired" was what was agreed upon. I wish there was some clearly defined/specific guideline to explain which order Wikipedia would prefer, because some articles put the "retired" status in whatever order without any issue. And only this page seems to have been the one that was hotly contested. Clear Looking Glass (talk) 20:11, 17 August 2022 (UTC)
 * "I wish there was some clearly defined/specific guideline to explain which order Wikipedia would prefer..." There is. See Adjective. It supports Retired American Actor. HiLo48 (talk) 01:28, 18 August 2022 (UTC)

Cosmic Sin
For these projects, Willis would often earn US$2 million for two days' work, with an average of 15 minutes' screentime per film, so much that Cosmic Sin (2021) stood out for including Willis in "roughly half" of the action.

When I read this, I was confused. My impression was that the article was citing Cosmic Sin as an example of how little Willis appears in one of the films — like he's in it so little he's only in half the action scenes? But that doesn't sound too bad. Additionally, it's not clear what "the action" exactly means — it sounds a little colloquial, as in the phrase "a piece of the action", as opposed to the more specific "action scene".

After I checked the source, I understood what the article was trying to say. However, I think we should just cut this. The point we're making here is that he didn't appear much in these films, so what is the point of citing an exception? Popcornfud (talk) 22:55, 11 January 2023 (UTC)
 * I don't see what is confusing about that. He appears in roughly half of the action, which is very little by his previous standards. But his screen time in his other later films is so minimal that it makes his involvement in "Cosmic Sin" look exceptional. The fact that Willis' involvement in "Cosmic Sin" stands out shows how little he appears on screen in his other final "vehicles". Psychloppos (talk) 20:23, 14 January 2023 (UTC)
 * We don't need it to show how little he appears in other films, though. We can just say how little he appears in those films — an average of 15 mins per film. That's totally clear and sufficient. Popcornfud (talk) 20:36, 14 January 2023 (UTC)
 * Ok, fine. I thought that was an interesting example, but if you disagree I see no need to argue further about that piece of trivia. Psychloppos (talk) 20:39, 14 January 2023 (UTC)
 * Yeah, I think it definitely is interesting in the context of the source (ie the review by the journalist), it shows their perspective and their response to the film. But I think it just comes off as unnecessary noise for our purposes and makes the point harder to understand. Popcornfud (talk) 20:41, 14 January 2023 (UTC)
 * Another point of interest is that it shows that there is at least one of his final slew of B-movies where he appears more than usual. But I'll agree that this is not a major information either, so a mention in the Cosmic Sin page may be sufficient. Psychloppos (talk) 20:46, 14 January 2023 (UTC)

Nationality and retirement ordering
Hello

I feel that, in cohesion with other Wiki pages, nationality should come before retirement in articles. Also, I would like it noted that Willis was born in Germnay. JackWhovian (talk) 21:34, 21 May 2023 (UTC)
 * 1. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Bruce_Willis/Archive_2#%22American_retired_actor%22_vs_%22retired_American_actor%22
 * 2. WP:ETHNICITY

--FMSky (talk) 21:38, 21 May 2023 (UTC)