Talk:Bryan Lunney

Timeless article.
I recently removed the first part of this sentence to make it timeless.

As of 2021, he and his father are the only multi-generational flight directors to have served NASA.

I was reverted with the reason that this could change and make it dated. I reverted back, I guess I could have waited but was also thinking BRD, and started this discussion.--Malerooster (talk) 18:15, 21 March 2021 (UTC)
 * WP:ASOF is basic stuff. See related MOS:CURRENT.  Three years from now, if there is another multi-generational family, this statement is invalid.  Because Wikipedia is dynamic, not hard print, we should take care not to create this problem, but I am not going to take time on such a small matter. Sandy Georgia  (Talk)  18:19, 21 March 2021 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the links. I was looking for them. I was also trying to find a link about how articles should be written in a manner that is "timeless". I remember reading about that style but couldn't find it. I don't really think that this is material which will be "dated quickly" per ASOF, especially considering they are the only ones in the history of the organization so far, but I guess that is up to editorial consensus.--Malerooster (talk) 18:57, 21 March 2021 (UTC)ps, could you say they are the "first.." and then not need asof?--Malerooster (talk) 19:02, 21 March 2021 (UTC)


 * I am not aware of any essay on timeless Wikipedia writing (would be good to have), but I'll give you a made-up example of how to avoid MOS:CURRENT in a timeless way. In geography articles, one often finds things like "current mayor" or "current legislator", which screams for an "as of" date as the elected officials will change. One can instead say something like ... Mayor John Smith was elected in year A; he represented the Y party and received Z% of the vote.  That works in the year so becomes timeless, while avoiding "as of" and avoiding "current".  So, if you can come up with a more elegant way to express that this is *not* timeless data, but something subject to change over time, that would be grand.  But if I am reading the sources correctly, it is a true fact still in 2021 although whether Bryan is still at NASA is unclear.  Sandy Georgia  (Talk)  19:08, 21 March 2021 (UTC)
 * Edit conflict ... not convinced by "first" since that implies there is a second; as of 2021, there is not. Regards, Sandy Georgia  (Talk)  19:08, 21 March 2021 (UTC)
 * Maybe ... at the time of his father's death in 2021, they were the only multi-generational ... ??? Sandy Georgia  (Talk)  19:11, 21 March 2021 (UTC)
 * I know what you said about "first" but maybe ...at the time of his father's death in 2021, they were the first and only only multi-generational ... ? --Malerooster (talk) 19:20, 21 March 2021 (UTC)
 * Something like that will work ... I will leave it to you as quite busy elsewhere, Sandy Georgia (Talk)  19:26, 21 March 2021 (UTC)
 * Ok. Done. I was thinking that maybe this sentence should go after the next paragraph's first sentence that says when he became a flight director. I'll leave it for now. --Malerooster (talk) 21:38, 21 March 2021 (UTC)