Talk:Bryten Goss

Publications that have featured Bryten Goss
(This list doesn't really belong in the article, but is a good resource that could be used for references in the article.)
 * US Weekly, July 16, 20012, Issue 335
 * Elle Magazine, Goss Interview in Spotlight, January 2005
 * Los Angeles Times Calendar Section, Wed. July 11, 2001, by Liz Smith
 * Los Angeles Confidential Magazine, Nov/Dec 2004, Interview, Laura Prepon, shows Goss' painting "Tribecca"
 * Nylon Magazine, March 2005
 * Jane Magazine, Dish Section on Bryten Goss with actor, Jason Lee, August 2001
 * emmy magazine, Issue No. 3., 2005, mention by collector, Danny Masterson
 * Society Foundation Online Artist of the Week - Bryten Goss - 15 Nov 03

Exhibitions
(Crufty and mostly unreferenced.)
 * Bryten Goss Private Show Downtown LA Loft of Giovanni Ribisi, 1993
 * Private Shows hosted by Jason Lee, 1994-1995
 * Private Show hosted by Orbit Entertainment, 1996
 * Bryten Goss Details Magazine Exhibition, 1998
 * Bryten Goss InStyle Magazine Exhibition, 2001
 * Group Show Downtown Independent Gallery, hosted by Danny Masterson, 2002
 * 811 Traction Street Exhibition, hosted by Danny Masterson, 2003
 * Scope Art Festival at Standard Hotel, downtown Los Angeles, 2003

Conflict of interest
Gosswriter is apparently Goss' mother (Gosswriter on Myspace). I have informed her of Wikipedia's policy, and that she should post requests for any desired changes to the article here on the talk page. Precious Roy (talk) 16:01, 19 November 2007 (UTC)
 * That is advisable, but not mandatory. Tyrenius (talk) 08:12, 5 December 2007 (UTC)
 * We don't know that they are the same person, even though it seems likely. Tyrenius (talk) 11:02, 5 December 2007 (UTC)
 * If it's not his mother, it's someone impersonating her (see her talk page for references to "my son" and "my daughter"). Precious Roy (talk) 13:19, 5 December 2007 (UTC)
 * Sorry, misunderstanding - I thought you were using the MySpace page to verify the wiki user. I see it is mentioned just for additional info. Tyrenius (talk) 01:11, 6 December 2007 (UTC)

Scientology
I think it's fair enough for the references to Scientology to be left out of the article, as potentially derogatory and only supported by a dubious source. At WP:BLP is Jimmy Wales's statement that preventing representatives of subjects from removing potentially libelous material is not advisable. Although the subject is deceased I think the principle still applies.--Ethicoaestheticist 23:14, 30 November 2007 (UTC)


 * I don't see how the material can be considered libelous, even if the subject were alive. It's a NPOV statement of fact and not derogatory in the least. Precious Roy 00:06, 1 December 2007 (UTC)

The disputed material is not acceptable. I have deleted it per WP:V and WP:BLP, as some refers to living people. This should not be reinstated.
 * The reference Entertainment Depot does not mention the Celebrity Centre, for which it is given as a reference.
 * Scientology-kills.org is not a reliable source (in wiki terms), especially not on living people (his parents) per WP:BLP. It is not used at all in Church of Scientology.
 * "Some of Goss' major supporters and patrons are celebrity members of the Church" does not even have a reference, just a note. Including it here is not allowed per WP:SYN unless a reliable source has made this connection.
 * truthaboutscientology.com is not a reliable source (in wiki terms), especially for living people per WP:BLP. It is not used as a reference in Church of Scientology; it is listed in external links as a critical site.

Please note WP:BLP has a presumption in favour of privacy.

Tyrenius (talk) 07:39, 5 December 2007 (UTC)


 * While I disagree with much of what you say, I must concede the most important part (that the two references are not WP:RS). Admittedly, I only checked if other WP articles used them as references—they did, so I used them. Without those references, the point of whether or not the material is acceptable is moot, so there's no point in arguing further.


 * In fact, I just checked the Entertainment Depot site and realized that not only is it not a reliable source (it's the website of a booking agency, not a news site) there is also a major conflict of interest (they represent Nancy Cartwright, who founded a non-profit with Rose Goss (link); Goss also directed and co-wrote Cartwright's "My Life as a Ten-Year-Old Boy" stage show (link), so that material, unfortunately, has to go as well. Precious Roy (talk) 13:45, 5 December 2007 (UTC)

COI tag
As posted on User talk:Precious Roy:
 * You've replaced the COI tag, which says discuss on the talk page, but you've not specified on the talk page what needs cleaning up or what is not NPOV. You should do so, or else remove the tag. Thanks.

Tyrenius (talk) 11:01, 5 December 2007 (UTC)
 * The tag is to signify that someone with a conflict of interest has contributed to the page. It says the article may need clean-up, not "does". However, if you think my usage is incorrect, go ahead and remove it (you're an admin and can do what you want), I won't revert it. Precious Roy (talk) 13:16, 5 December 2007 (UTC)

Congratulations on the clean-up of the article - good job. I think this renders the COI tag redundant now anyway, so I am removing it. Such tags are not meant to be a permanent fixture, but only until matters have been addressed. There are now 3 independent editors looking at the article, so that should keep it on track, and User:Gosswriter shows every sign of working with us. I'm weighing in as an admin on BLP, but admins don't have special editing privileges (as I'm sure you know), so my other actions are as an ordinary editor. I just want to confirm that. If there's some COI tag suitable for talk pages (I only know of one where the subject has edited the article) then post it here, if you wish. Should it turn out that the Scientology connection is given prominence in some major sources, the it would have to be re-assessed. I'd come to a similar conclusion about Entertainment Depot, but that should still leave it available for use as a reference on non-contentious points, such as the date of death (unless there is anything to dispute about that). Tyrenius (talk) 01:36, 6 December 2007 (UTC)