Talk:Bubba the Love Sponge/Archive 1

Racing Career
Should there be a mention of Bubba's current involvement in sprint car racing?

Ned
There is a debate on the existance of Ned. No matter how you feel about this issue, the reference should not be removed.
 * This may be the case, but unless you can verify that Ned is actually Manson, the reference really should only be "rumored". There's only a few people that can shoot on that issue, everything else is a work. The references that were here before stated that Manson was Ned, or Manson's dad was Ned. In addition, they were placed by truly anon users using IP addresses only, hence their removal.  By the way, please add four tildes after your name so we can see who's saying what.  KC9CQJ 00:41, 29 April 2006 (UTC)
 * To that end, unless you're in with Bubba and can prove that Ned's a work or a shoot, the reference to Ned's rumored existence should stay here. I know of a few people that could prove things either way (Brent, Bubba, Manson, Lou, 25, Coco, blah blah blah), but until they open up and say it (and provide the verifiable aspect to it), the rumor should stay. KC9CQJ 16:26, 29 April 2006 (UTC)

User 69.142.1.170 seems to have removed a number of references regarding the controversy around Ned being real or a character portrayed by Manson. These are not changes that should be made without discussion. I will roll back the changes made in the Ned Controversy and Cast and Crew sections.--Ihateatmfees 16:30, 14 November 2006 (UTC)
 * Looking at the section, it does need to be altered to remove some of the unsourced rumors, such as Hogan confiding in a fan, and the planned "outing" of Ned in December 2006, but the controversy still warrants mention in the article.--Ihateatmfees 16:39, 14 November 2006 (UTC)

Are you people kidding me? Every idiot who listens to the show knows Ned isn't real-- it's a on-running joke, a work-- not a fucking rumor. 76.4.238.109
 * Unfortunately, the gray area here is that Wikipedia information needs to be drawn from verifiable fact. This is why the Howard 100 news interview is used to bring up the subject.  This section is in desperate need of some further sourcing so we can remove any ambiguity as to the facts surrounding the character Ned.--Ihateatmfees 15:21, 6 December 2006 (UTC)

At 33 seconds on the first video of the "Bubba Idol" bit (on www.bubbaraw.com), Ned is clearly heard saying "Yeah". At no point do you see him in the studio or sitting at his chair before or after 25 sings. The chair is empty —Preceding unsigned comment added by 155.43.131.51 (talk • contribs)

LouPickney
The previous version by "LouPickney" was a little too "Pro-Bubba" and did not conform to Wikipedia's neutrality guidelines. The current version attempts to be more neutral and also introduce elements of "Bubba's" life that were glossed over in prior versions, including Clem's arrest on charges of animal cruelty and his failed nightclub "Planet Bubba."

Neutrality must be second to accuracy
The animal cruelty charges against Bubba were pretty much trumped up. If you eat meat, you have to face the fact that animals die so that the meat can be harvested. Those pretty steaks and chops at the grocery don't just appear. They represent dead animals.

Personally, I'm willing to kill my own chicken. But some people want the process to be hidden away - to be as behind closed doors as sex is supposed to be. They don't want to be reminded that pork==dead pig. The reality is that Bubba was not arrested for animal cruelty, he was arreated for making the process public.

Of course, that was explained to the jury. A jury member later interviewed said that the only reason that they took 52 minutyes to find everyone innocent is because they got a free lunch by delaying that long. Had they simply voted immediately and returned, they would have been dismissed without a meal.

One of the most aggregous behaviors that a public official can indulge in is to prosecute an unpopular public personage simply as a means of curbing their legal behavior. That is exactly what happened here. The prosecutor was offended. With no real evidence, they brought the accused to trial - and tried to get them to plead to a lesser offense.

Luckily, the hunters and officials were able to pay for a vigorous defense and did not cop a plea.

IMHO, not mentioning this is violates neutrality. I would edit the article myself, but I keep on coming up with prejudicial terms, like "trumped up". Questionable charges at best? Someone care to help with a rewording?

--Simicich 19:11, 28 January 2006 (UTC)


 * There is no reason that you can not present your opinion without maintaining neutrality. If you can find  verifiable sources detailing what you claim, you  cite what you present in your view, and then   write for the opposing view. Then you  let the facts speak for themselves(Optigan13 08:37, 22 February 2007 (UTC))

Edit to the 'trumped-up' charge
I made some changes about a month ago in response to Bubba's interview on a local radio station, I feel that it may now swing a little 'pro-bubba', but they're his words, and it's better then saying outright that the charges were crap.

I reorganized the page
I hope people like it. I tried to make it closer to chronological order and added some headings. Foday 07:30, 24 May 2006 (UTC)

It's annoying when people inexplicably remove content
I put a link to see also professional wrestling slang, which is highly informative to regular listeners of Bubba and it was removed. I put it back and included a sentence about his language in the article. Foday 07:46, 24 May 2006 (UTC)
 * On reason that others might have removed it is that it is tenously associated with the article. Why does Todd Clem use wrestling slang? Why does he expect his listeners to be familiar with it? Was he a pro wrestler? A wanna-be? Related to the indsutry in some other way? I think that cementing the connection would help the article substantially. -- Mikeblas 16:17, 11 June 2006 (UTC)

context
The "Comes to satellite radio" section starts talking about a "shock collar" without explanation or context. Can this be fixed? How does it relate to Bubba's move to satellite? That paragraph also needs a citation for its claim about "the best yet", and so I've marked it with "citation needed". -- Mikeblas 16:19, 11 June 2006 (UTC)


 * The "shock collar" is the mechanism from a remote control electroshock collar used to train dogs. The original device consists of a cloth (sometimes leather) collar with a small rectangular plastic battery/receiver unit attached with two metal prongs protruding through the collar onto the dog's skin. Bubba et al removed the plastic unit from the collar and use duct tape to attach it to various parts of human anatomy. They use the remote control to shock the person as part of whatever bit/game they're doing.


 * The "best show yet" thing is, IMO, non-notable. Various members of the Stern show say things like that all time on the air ("hottest chick ever", "funniest bit ever", etc), in any event it's total POV. --Bk0 (Talk) 16:47, 11 June 2006 (UTC)
 * The remarks paraphrased from Stern aren't cited, either. There has been some churn in this section and the "best show yet" part has been removed, but the carb cleaner and shock collar sections don't seem to attach to the rest of the article, particularly in their current section. -- Mikeblas 21:48, 11 June 2006 (UTC)


 * I added a new heading: "Cruel and unusual bits." Foday 00:02, 12 June 2006 (UTC)
 * That might be a good idea, but I don't understand the point of the paragraphs. Are these typical of the show? Representative of the sense of humor of the show? Then let's come out and say that. Is it an extreme sitution not representative of the show? Something that caused controversey? Then let's write an explanation. Why is this heading under "goes to satellite"? Because the FCC is less (entirely not?) invovled, and now BTLS can do whatever he wants? Then let's come out and say that's what we mean. -- Mikeblas 00:46, 12 June 2006 (UTC)
 * I'm not an expert, but I think it's a noteworthy aspect of the show. It's listed in the "satellite" section because it's recent. I believe he did such stunts before he came to satellite, but I for one never heard him on terrestrial radio. I don't think that the content needs to be removed, but only edited. Maybe it could be edited and moved to "Frequent bits". Foday 03:41, 12 June 2006 (UTC)
 * Indeed, I'm just asking that it be clarified and tied to the rest of the article in some meaningful way. (Though, in the unlikely event we can't figure out what it means, I guess it would be deleted.) -- Mikeblas 04:03, 12 June 2006 (UTC)

Annual Shitoff - Mention worthy?
Does any one believe that since the shitoff is planned to be annual, that details about the first (rules, medication given, results, etc) are worth mentioning on the page? --71.124.133.2 16:38, 5 December 2006 (UTC)

Fan site edit warring
This article and several other stern related ones appear to be going through edit wars between Stern Fan Network, bubbathelovesponge.net and howardshrine.net. I have already reverted the info before, back to where SFN is the only fan site involved in the state of the bubba speech, and is the Official Fan site. In order to avoid having to do this over and over again and constantly reverting, would there be an amicable way to include both of these sites in the article? As of this writing I have added both links, with their site name mentioned in the description, with neither having the official wording, and removed the State of the Bubba mention from the frequent bits. From everything I have heard and read it appears that the .net sites are not condoned or involved in any way in the speech, or have any official connection, which is why I reverted the article to reflect that, but I would prefer to talk out this dispute than to do edit wars and protection/semi-protection of the page. If someone could please provide some verifiable source that states which fan sites are officially involved please point it out, and by verifiable I do not mean either of the fan sites themselves.(Optigan13 07:12, 22 February 2007 (UTC))


 * The official site is .net there are no others. Howard stern fan sites should be put under that category and do not belong here. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 206.213.209.31 (talk • contribs) 14:30, 23 February 2007


 * If that is the case, then why do you revert to a version that included Mutt from Stern Fan Network as one of the two mention mentioned in the State of the Bubba Address? Although Mutt is part of the Super Fan Round table on the network, he is also well known as the Stern Fan Network owner and operator. The inclusion of the .net link without a mention of Mutt's affiliation appears to favor one site over the other and violate WP:NPOV. Myself as well as other editors have cited the concern that Bubba wants nothing to do with the .net site, and as such is not valid for inclusion in the State of the Bubba Speech. Also Stern Fan Network does include a forum for discussion of Bubba The Love Sponge, this combined with Mutt's inclusion on the State of the Bubba Speech does carry at least enough importance for the viewpoint to be considered at least part of a significant minority, if not the majority. (Optigan13 03:55, 24 February 2007 (UTC))

Stop trying to justify whether or not a Howard Stern site belongs here. It does not.The Stern Fan Network is already posted under Howard Stern where it belongs. It is under the correct topic of Howard Stern and does not belong here. Please do not spam on this section or the page or you will be removed.

http://www.btls.com/recaps/recap022607.php Hour 4 "# BTLS.com looking great now.. Bubba specifically says he wants BTLS.net Shut Down. Its even on the recap. 71.126.103.126 04:59, 2 March 2007 (UTC)
 * 1) .netters are using Bubba's trademarked name on a T-shirt....Bubba wants it shut down."

Is it just me, or is there a concentrated effort to keep BTLS.net on this article? Bubba has time and time again came out against .net. He has taken them off the State Of The Bubba. Yet someone keeps putting it back in this article. They also took the time to delete the external link above from the talk page. Does anyone else think it might be due to the fact that .net charges for memberships and needs every dime? 68.238.225.41 05:34, 16 March 2007 (UTC)

Not sure what the user above is talking about. Mutt charges 100$ and up to be a member of SFN plus again that is a message board for Howard Stern not Bubba. This discussion belongs under the Stern Fan Network term and not here. This is for Bubba the Love Sponge and not Howard Stern.

It is free to view the SFN and a membership is free. BTLS.net does not allow you to surf it without paying. I did not add the SFN to the external links because you are correct that its a stern site and not a bubba one. But the fact of the matter is that Bubba has not had anyone from BTLS.net on the State Of The Bubba Address for months now, and has stated in the refrence above that he is trying to shut down .net. 68.238.230.148 22:09, 28 March 2007 (UTC)

SFN is not free and you cannot keep trying to justify your position. That is a stern fan website just because there is one thread about someone does not constitute it as a fan site. Both sites are donation sites and SFN is for Howard Stern, .net is for Bubba the Love Sponge. Whether something is free or not does not determine whether it belongs in this article. It belongs if it relates and .net relates since it is a fan site for Bubba the Love Sponge. SFN belongs under Howard Stern where it exists already so please stop vandalizing this site otherwise your id will be terminated.

You are vandalizing the page. In the posts above there is a refrence to btls.com recap (BTLS.com is the official site) in which Bubba is quoted as saying he wants the .net shut down. Not only that but the .net site has not been involved in the "State of the Bubba" address in months. Updating a bit to reflect how it is currently played is not vandalism. If you can show a source for .net being the "Official Fan Site" that has a later date then this reference: Check Hour 4 Then feel free to post it here and I will stop editing out .net. But as of right now the .net is an Unofficial Fan site as far as Bubba has announced and the .net is not involved in the State Of The Bubba address.68.238.230.148 18:15, 29 March 2007 (UTC)


 * Per WP:EL, link spamming with fan sites as external links is not allowed; and per WP:CITE, external link spam do not constitute as sources. You have been warned as such on your talk page.  Seicer  (talk) (contribs) 18:03, 3 April 2007 (UTC)


 * The offending three IPvandals were reported to WP:AIV by myself and were blocked for 24 hours each. Subsequent offenses will be much more stiff.  Seicer  (talk) (contribs) 20:07, 3 April 2007 (UTC)

You have no proof that .net is the unofficial fan site. Stop trying to justify having a howard stern fan site posted in this section. Just arguing back and forth does not make for justification for your views and opinions. Wikipedia is founded on fact and information not YOUR opinions. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.177.110.78 (talk • contribs)


 * So let's see, you post this here, then go to my user page to vandalize it saying 'you are dead cocksucker'. Yeah, we all should listen to what you have to say. LilDice 01:56, 4 April 2007 (UTC)

Second WP:ANI case has been opened. Also requested page protection.  Seicer  (talk) (contribs) 04:19, 2 June 2007 (UTC)