Talk:Bubsy

Super Bubsy ?
Hello, I own a PC game called "Super Bubsy", is this in relation to this series ? MobyGames has a description page for it : http://www.mobygames.com/game/windows/super-bubsy 78.35.177.177 (talk) 10:03, 4 May 2013 (UTC)
 * According to http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bubsy_in_Claws_Encounters_of_the_Furred_Kind (which I researched and wrote) its the same game as the original Bubsy, just with slightly upgraded graphics and the cartoon pilot on the disc. Otherwise its largely the same game as Bubsy 1. Sergecross73   msg me   19:57, 4 May 2013 (UTC)

Tone of voice/Bias description
Matt Berardo wrote the musical score. The inferiority of the Genesis' sound hardware becomes evident in this game: much of the 8-channel polyphony possible with the SNES' Sony SPC700, was lost when rewritten for the Genesis' YM2612 and TI SN76489 -- many of the discrete instrument sounds become "bleeps."

I don't consider the Genesis hardware or the sound hardware an indication of quality as much as the developers of the Genesis port chose not to alter the music or failed to use the Genesis's strengths. I think this needs rewording

KaL YoshiKa (talk) 11:31, 19 May 2008 (UTC)

Glitches section removed.
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I felt that the gliches section read as if it was yanked off of any game guide webpage, therefore, I got rid of it. If you feel i'm wrong, let me know. Coolgamer 18:55, 16 December 2005 (UTC)

Bubsy: which one?
What is happening here? I found this after after following a link to Bubsy 2, only to find an article which can't decide whether it's about the character or the (three, I think) games. There's red links everywhere because they lead to each of the respective games. Shouldn't separate games have separate articles (like Sonic)? - THE GREAT GAVINI {T-C} 14:27, 9 June 2006 (UTC)


 * I think that the games and charactor should remain on this one page. Bubsy is both the main charactor and the name of the game series, and the subject is not encyclopedic enough to justify multiple articles. Coolgamer 21:36, 25 June 2006 (UTC)

Credits section removed
It game some rather improbable credits like porn director/private eye Michael Franco as director and Donnie Darko director Richard Kelly as composer. It had no source, so I removed it. Ace of Sevens 01:44, 25 June 2006 (UTC)

I think that there should be a mention of the somewhat unique 2-player aspect of Bubsy 3D, where the second player took a first person view of a missile and tried to target Bubsy, then roles were swapped. I can only remember that basic idea, and that it was really quite badly executed.

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Subjective article?
Don't you think this article, mainly the first paragraph, is a bit too impartial and full of particular opinions? This is suposed to be an encyclopedia, not a forum. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 189.68.115.204 (talk) 19:38, 22 February 2008 (UTC)
 * Note OR WhisperToMe (talk) 05:24, 2 April 2009 (UTC)

Bubsy in Japan
Bubsy has been released in Japan. WhisperToMe (talk) 05:24, 2 April 2009 (UTC)

Bubsy X-Treme?
Why in the heck there is Bubsy X-Treme? If there is no reliable information from other sources, I will remove that section. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Kurvjuh (talk • contribs) 08:56, 13 September 2009 (UTC) First off-- please sign your comments by typing four tildes (~) at the end of your post, as per WP:SYC. Second, before removing any information from a Wikipedia page, you must find incontrovertible evidence that said information is false-- check WP:V for details. Thirdly, this page is under the watch of WP:VG, and all large-scale changes (like the one which you are proposing) must be taken through a project head, like Jacoplane or Sesu_Prime. Please do not make frivolous edits to Wikipedia. -- DemanusFlint 05:23, 14 September 2009 (UTC)
 * Ahem. Firstly "before removing any information from a Wikipedia page, you must find incontrovertible evidence that said information is false" is nonsense and nothing like what WP:V says -- try Editors should provide a reliable source for quotations and for any material that is challenged or likely to be challenged, or the material may be removed for the true position.  Secondly, "all large-scale changes (like the one which you are proposing) must be taken through a project head" is also nonsense: see WP:OWN.  Thirdly, the section on Bubsy X-Treme, if not actually a hoax, is completely unverified and the one reference it contains is to a web page on a different subject.  In accordance with the BOLD, revert, discuss cycle I'm removing it.  Kenilworth Terrace (talk) 20:46, 30 September 2009 (UTC)

Fractured Furry Tales
Looking over the Jaguar's list of games, I noticed that Bubsy in Fractured Furry Tales seems to be the only 3rd party Jaguar exclusive that was released during the console's life. All the other 3rd party Jaguar exclusives - Battlesphere, Breakout 2000, Aircars, etc. - were released after the Jaguar was taken off the market. It seems like a notable enough bit of info to include, but before I edit it into the article, can somebody tell me whether or not I've overlooked something?--Martin IIIa (talk) 20:55, 5 March 2010 (UTC)

Yes I think you have overlooked that game. Evidence can be located on the following sites:
 * http://www.atariage.com/software_page.html?SoftwareID=2518
 * http://www.mobygames.com/game/bubsy-in-fractured-furry-tales
 * http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0463930/
 * http://www.atariarchives.org/cfn/09/07/0009.php
 * http://gofanboy.com/classics/atari-jaguar-reviews/1543-bubsy-in-fractured-furry-tales-atari-jaguar-review
 * http://gofanboy.com/classics/atari-jaguar-reviews/1543-bubsy-in-fractured-furry-tales-atari-jaguar-review

If you're that does not convince you, there are videos on YouTube. What gave you the impression the game is a hoax is beyond me. Deltasim (talk) 11:25, 16 July 2010 (UTC)

Edit request from 71.82.107.56, 4 February 2011
Ron Jeremy is not the creator, it is Michael Berlyn

71.82.107.56 (talk) 17:47, 4 February 2011 (UTC)

Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. If you have a reliable source, please make a new edit request with those details. Qwyrxian (talk) 06:22, 5 February 2011 (UTC)

GameBoy Bubsy
How many levels are in the three worlds? Searching the Internet, there's one for each world, and no boss level. 92.16.101.133 (talk) 11:20, 5 June 2011 (UTC)

needs a rewrite
not as much as Mole Mania, but still nonetheless. Bubsy represents a very important era of gaming history and should not be put to the wayside like this. Bubsy needs a page at least as detailed as Rosalina (character) 94.185.129.10 (talk) 13:02, 24 June 2015 (UTC)
 * For the record, this article is about the game series, not the character, so Rosalina may not be the best comparison point, but yes, it does need a rewrite. Sadly, it can be a little difficult finding good sources to use when you're dealing with video games series that never made it out of the 1990s, because all the good coverage is locked away in paper magazines. I created and detailed the articles of a number of the individual games, (Bubsy 1, Bubsy 2, and Fractured Furry Tales) but it did take some research. I've just never gotten around to cleaning up this one. Sergecross73   msg me  13:14, 24 June 2015 (UTC)
 * Actually, I just noticed this is the same IP who blatantly vandalized the article recently. Is this the sort of thing you had in mind? You really haven't been helping things so far... Sergecross73   msg me  13:28, 24 June 2015 (UTC)

it's a school IP Theredirectorofwikipedia (talk) 12:17, 25 June 2015 (UTC)

Should only be about the games.
Because the article has the words "a series of video games" in the head paragraph, that's what the article should focus on. Therefore, I wonder if the section about the TV episode belongs in the page despite being an adaptation of the games? 98.119.155.81 (talk) 03:21, 9 July 2015 (UTC)
 * Bubsy may primarily be a video game series, but there's no reason to remove a small paragraph about the TV pilot. There's no rule saying you can't mention TV adaptions on video game articles. Quite the opposite, you'll see that videogames series articles often discuss related animations. See Sonic the Hedgehog (series), The Legend of Zelda (series), Tales (series) or Final Fantasy. Sergecross73   msg me  11:04, 9 July 2015 (UTC)


 * There isn't enough information or notability to warrant a unique article about the TV pilot, so that information would intuitively belong here for lack of anywhere else to put it. Cyphoidbomb (talk) 12:41, 9 July 2015 (UTC)
 * Yeah, I did a source search for it once, when I was contemplating trying to spin it off into its own article, and there's a few sources out there, possibly enough coverage to have it survive an AFD, but it would have been a pretty short, incomplete article. Between that, and the fact that I don't have much experience or interest in writing television related articles, lead me to drop the idea. Anyways, regardless, even if it was spun out, it would still have a mention on the series pages, as shown on a number of my examples above. Sergecross73   msg me  13:00, 9 July 2015 (UTC)
 * And if it didn't survive an AfD, it would likely be merged back here, and we'd be right back where we started. :) Cyphoidbomb (talk) 13:57, 9 July 2015 (UTC)

Bubsy 3D
I wonder why some users won't admit that Bubsy 3D is the final installment in the Bubsy series? Are those users implying that a sequel is in the works or at least being considered? 172.56.8.63 (talk) 14:17, 2 August 2015 (UTC)
 * Why does it need to be stated at all though? Why can't people look at the multiple places the games are listed, and see its at the end? Sergecross73   msg me  15:23, 2 August 2015 (UTC)


 * I'm amused by your passive question "I wonder why some users won't admit..." When I first reverted it, it seemed speculative about the future, however, the explanation that the last incarnation came out 19 years ago seemed reasonable, such that I wasn't inclined to change it again. Cyphoidbomb (talk) 21:40, 2 August 2015 (UTC)


 * Bubsy 3D is definitely the final game in the series. If there's going to be a new installment, then someone should add info about it years ago. Apparently there's nothing, and how long has it been already? It is necessary to use words like "last" or "final" to be specific with things that are at the end. 172.56.16.102 (talk) 15:20, 12 August 2015 (UTC)
 * As I've said in the edit summaries, the rewording is not an improvement. It is 100% confirmed that it is the final installment to date. It is not 100% confirmed that its the last Bubsy game ever. I'm not saying there's going to be a future installment, I'm just saying, the first wording is absolutely true, so there's no reason to change it. Sergecross73   msg me  15:56, 12 August 2015 (UTC)
 * Considering there's no sequel and it's been nearly two decades now, then it's beyond reasonable doubt that the Bubsy series ends here. The game developers aren't planning or even pondering a sequel. Issakenta (talk) 21:38, 23 October 2015 (UTC)
 * Read my comment above. Why chose a "99% likely wording" when there's a "100% confirmed" wording? Sergecross73   msg me  21:49, 23 October 2015 (UTC)
 * Sergecross73 is right, that is an unnecessary way of phrasing. It might be the latest game, saying that it is the final game is interpretation. Adding "final" or "last" is kind of like reverse crystalballing: instead of something that might happen, we're saying that it might not happen. Without the phrase, it makes perfectly clear that it has been over two decades and without any new information, the reader can conclude there probably isn't going to be another one. --Soetermans. T / C 07:58, 27 October 2015 (UTC)
 * People aren't actually making predictions when they use such words. When they use "last" or "final", they're simply referring to something that's the last of its kind. And in Bubsy 3D's case, that's undeniable. Are you hoping that a new game in the series would be released? I too would like to see but I honestly don't think there's any chance of that happening. 208.54.4.129 (talk) 15:46, 12 November 2015 (UTC)
 * I have never said or indicated that my reason for my wording was because I expect another entry in the series which again, so I don't know why people keep bringing that up. It's as I keep on saying: if we've got a wording that is 100% true (last/final title to date), why change it to another wording that, while likely, is not in fact 100% confirmed? There's absolutely no reason to change it a slightly speculative wording. No one has given a reason why that wording would be better, they just keep saying arguments more along the lines of "Well, why not?". There's no reason why its actually better, while there is a reason why its worse. Sergecross73   msg me  16:18, 12 November 2015 (UTC)


 * I'm in agreement with Serge on this, and to discourage ruminating comments like "Are you hoping that a new game in the series would be released?" I know nothing about this game series or care. When you use words like "final" it attempts to predict the future, even if to you and me, the likelihood is nil. As Serge points out, the only definitive and inarguable statement is that this is the fourth game. Return of the Jedi was the final film in the Star Wars trilogy—until The Force Awakens appeared 31 years later. Cyphoidbomb (talk) 18:41, 12 November 2015 (UTC)

, did you see the latest edit? So much for "final" game. --Soetermans. T / C 14:54, 15 December 2015 (UTC)

Rename this page?
Calling this page "Bubsy" is a bit misleading. You may go to this page looking for information on the character Bubsy, but find just the games. Perhaps name this page "Bubsy(Series)" and have a disambiguation page for the character and the series. MiseroMCS (talk) 17:58, 30 December 2015 (UTC)MiseroMCS
 * With the disambiguation guidelines, in short, we'd only do that if there was a Bubsy character article to actually disambiguate from. Sergecross73   msg me  20:03, 30 December 2015 (UTC)
 * What I meant was that we should create a page for Bubsy the character, and a page for the series, likely just this page, and make a disambugation page for it. Sorry if I was unclear.
 * MiseroMCS (talk) 04:09, 2 January 2016 (UTC)MiseroMCS
 * If you'd like, you can try and create a Bubsy (character) article, if you can find the sources to back up its notibility by itself. --Soetermans. T / C 15:26, 5 January 2016 (UTC)
 * I've had the thought to start up some articles like Bubsy (character) or Earthworm Jim (character), as I believe there is probably enough sources in existence to meet Wikipedia's standard for having an article. Unfortunately for both, I believe said sources are probably locked away in 1990's print magazines, from when these characters were more prominently part of the video game mainstream. If someone could help me find 4-5 details sources that cover the character specifically, I'd gladly create either. But so far, I don't really have anything to work with at the moment... Sergecross73   msg me  15:37, 5 January 2016 (UTC)
 * I found out that someone did make a page for the character but you have it redirected. I wonder, have you ever played any games in the series? 172.56.41.250 (talk) 15:57, 14 January 2016 (UTC)
 * Playing the game is not a requirement for editing the page, but yes, I've played them all except the Jaguar one, as I've never had access to play it. And for what its worth, I enjoyed 1 and 2, and didn't hate 3 as much as the press did, so its not some sort "sabotage" on Bubsy or something either. Its just that, according to Wikipedia guidelines, that article was in terrible shape. Sergecross73   msg me  16:02, 14 January 2016 (UTC)
 * Before it was redirected, the page looked like this. It had one source, which is an interview with developer Michael Berlyn. A subject can have its own article if it is considered notable and has reliable, independent sources. I'm not saying there shouldn't ever be an article on the character Bubsy, but I do believe Serge was right by redirecting it right currently. But who knows! If you,, can find the sources to expand on the article, that'd be great. --Soetermans. T / C 07:58, 19 January 2016 (UTC)
 * Indeed, like I was saying, I'd love to make the article if I could, its just that I have so little sources to work with, (most of what can be extracted from that interview would be redundant to what I wrote into Bubsy 1) and if I don't have any sources to work with, not only is it not going to meet Wikipedia's standard for having an article, but all that's left to write about is fictional, in-universe, plot summary type information, which isn't supposed to be a focal point of Wikipedia articles. Sergecross73   msg me  14:07, 20 January 2016 (UTC)

Pilot cartoon infobox
Editors keep adding this to the article. It is not necessary. We don't need an infobox for a singular episode of one show that never got picked up for a full season, especially considering the section is extremely short and really only contains that information to begin with. We don't need an infobox to highlight the main points of something that is only a few short sentences. Sergecross73  msg me  00:38, 21 May 2016 (UTC)

Similar to Super Mario Bros.
"The games were platform games similar to Super Mario Bros. and Sonic the Hedgehog." I've never seen a statement more desperately in need of a 'citation needed' tag :P Achilles2.0 (talk) 19:32, 16 August 2016 (UTC)
 * ...Why is that? In the scheme of video game history, they're very similar. All three are 2D, sidescrolling platformers from the 1990s, featuring directing a character through a level while avoiding obstacles and collecting items. A source taken from the article even states that the game's creator was inspired to create Bubsy after playing these 14 hour long marathon sessions of the original Sonic, and that the superiority of Super Mario 64 over Bubsy 3D lead to the game serie's demise. IGN and HardcoreGaming clearly allude to their similarities as well. I honestly don't see much in the way of differences, unless you're going into trivial minutia of "Well Mario grabs coins and Bubsy grabs yarnballs" or "But Sonic had Super Sonic" type stuff. Sergecross73   msg me  20:02, 16 August 2016 (UTC)

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Fog
According to the section for Bubsy 3D, there's a fog that covers the levels. I saw some screenshots but didn't notice any fog. Red White Blue and Yellow (talk) 20:42, 23 May 2017 (UTC)
 * If you do a google image search for it, you'll find some. Sergecross73   msg me  02:50, 11 June 2017 (UTC)

Sequel
Do the events of the fifth game take place after those of Bubsy 3D? Wubzy (talk) 16:07, 9 June 2017 (UTC)
 * I don't really think there's much in the way of a fictional continuity going on here... It's a cat that jumps on bad guys... Sergecross73   msg me  17:33, 9 June 2017 (UTC)
 * In that case, the new game is probably a reboot of the franchise. Wubzy (talk) 16:02, 11 June 2017 (UTC)
 * If there's no real sense of continuity, there'd be nothing to "reboot" to begin with either... Sergecross73   msg me  17:48, 11 June 2017 (UTC)

Timeline
Can someone, in greater detail, explain why we need that bare-bones timeline of releases? The page history shows only extremely vague reasons like “it’s important” and “because Banjo Kazooie”. Can anyone expand on that? I’m more inclined to agree with ’s reasoning that it’s not necessary for a series with so few releases. There’s very little we need to help the reader visualize here. Sergecross73  msg me  12:50, 31 October 2018 (UTC)
 * It's pointless. Popcornduff (talk) 13:34, 31 October 2018 (UTC)
 * Yeah, I know, if you look through this talk page, you’ll see that I’ve dealing with these clueless casual Bubsy editors for years now. But I like to document that I at least tried to discuss on the talk page... Sergecross73   msg me  16:21, 31 October 2018 (UTC)
 * So, to counter argue this, I think it's silly to claim "5 games" isn't enough. The real reason to frown on inclusion at this article, in particular, is that due to the large time gap in this particular franchise, the table generated is unnecessarily large and empty, taking up excessive space to convey little. Would be nice if the table had a way to indicate inactive years and collapse them down. -- ferret (talk) 13:08, 16 November 2018 (UTC)

Could we make a page on "Paws on Fire!"?
the newest bubsy game came out several months ago, the page Bubsy: Paws on Fire! redirects to the Bubsy page. could we make a page for "Bubsy: Paws on Fire!"? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Dvdmovies123 (talk • contribs) 17:42, 4 March 2020 (UTC)
 * Yes, I’m fairly certain the sources are out there to meet Wikipedia’s standards for having an article (WP:GNG), so it’s just the matter of someone putting the work into creating one. Sergecross73   msg me  20:50, 4 March 2020 (UTC)

oh also
could we add a short section regarding "Bubsy Two-Fur"? it's a compilation of the first two snes games released on steam. there was controversy some time ago about the game using a possibly stolen version of the snes9x emulator. Dvdmovies123 (talk) 17:52, 4 March 2020 (UTC)
 * A mention is good, but I don’t there’s enough to warrant its own section. It’s just two bare-bones ports for Steam. Unless any reliable sources commented on your controversy - I’ve never read anything about that - then the “controversy” would not belong in the article. Sergecross73   msg me  20:54, 4 March 2020 (UTC)

Bubsy pilot
Do you have a reliable source where the Bubsy pilot received low ratings and poor reviews, leading the pilot unlikely to be oredered for a full series? The Krusty Krustacean (talk) 20:25, 24 August 2020 (UTC)
 * Who are you asking? You're the one who added that to the article. It's pretty obvious twenty years later it didn't get picked up. I've reverted until you have a source. -- ferret (talk) 20:35, 24 August 2020 (UTC)
 * Per this edit, you’re the one who made the claim about bad reception, without a source. And you’re proceeding to...interrogate yourself  over the unsourced claim? Baffling. Equally baffling that you want verification on a pilot not being picked up 20+ years later. If it got picked up, a series would exist. It clearly doesn’t. They’re not going to approve a pilot out the 1990s. That’s not how television works. Sergecross73   msg me  21:03, 24 August 2020 (UTC)

Upon thinking about for some time, I think the article should refer to the cartoon as "TV special" instead of "pilot". Yes, retrospective sources called it a pilot, and like to talk about it not being made into a series. But sources dating to around the cartoon's release, such as those in game magazines, simply refer to it as a TV special, and do not mention any plans (if there were any) from the studio to turn it into a series. 172.250.44.165 (talk) 07:58, 26 August 2020 (UTC)
 * We go by what sources say on Wikipedia, so to even start moving in that direction, you’d have to actually prove sources were saying that. Sergecross73   msg me  11:13, 26 August 2020 (UTC)

Source

 * https://www.timeextension.com/news/2023/10/atari-is-open-to-pitches-for-a-new-bubsy-game Sergecross73   msg me  15:30, 11 October 2023 (UTC)