Talk:Buckethead/Archive 1

ODB Tribute
Should info about the tribute that buckethead did for ODB be added here? the video or the audio? It can easily be sourced, as it is mentioned on his own website.

Secret Song
What's the name of the secret song at the end of Kaliedoscalp?-Your Friend Tyler

Objectivity, thanks
This blurb at the top hardly seems objective: "[...] and perhaps most notably with a great many Bill Laswell-directed projects, including the stellar band Praxis."

Deli Creeps
Needs info on his first band - the Deli Creeps


 * He played in a band called ClassX before that. But not under the Buckethead alias.

Real Name
I've seen rumours that Brian Carrol is Buckethead, but nothing I'd call definitive. What's the source for this? -- Wapcaplet 04:13, 21 Mar 2004 (UTC)


 * I'm in favor of removing the reference to Brian Carrol, unless someone can provide a reliable source for it. The other two alterations are correct; Giant Robot was originally released in 1994, and Buckethead is no longer in Guns 'n Roses. -- Wapcaplet 02:46, 22 Mar 2004 (UTC)

To RickK, let me first explain a few things: I'm a Buckethead fan, and it pains me to see erroneous information on a site like this that is community-run and in some sense, very pure. I'm not a longtime member of this wiki community, so I was not entirely sure how it worked. All I knew was that if there was something wrong, that I, as a user, could change it. What happened last night was a mix of miscommunication and confusion. I had entered in those changes, but kept noticing that they kept reverting back. I thought that it had something to do with my cache, or perhaps with wiki's servers, or I don't know what. I just knew that my changes weren't taking hold. That's why I kept trying to change it. I didn't know you were online at the same time changing it back. You say on the "protected pages list" you asked me to explain these changes, however I never saw those msgs. You can blame that on me being a novice wiki user. I still don't see where those msgs are. In any event, I did try to contact you through your own talk page because I didn't know how else to reach you. You don't have an e-mail address with which I can contact you either. All I did was try to explain the changes that needed to be made. But now you have protected the page, and the wrong information is still on the page. The information that needs to be changed is the same as what was indicated above by user wapcaplet. The only thing I really tried to change was his name, because if you're a Buckethead fan, you'll know that he's an extremely private and shy person who does NOT want his name, whether correct or not, to be known in public. As a fan, I am just trying to protect his privacy in whatever way I can. I hope you see this, and I hope you make these changes. I wasn't trying to start an edit war. If what has transpired isn't considered correct wiki etiquette, I apologize for my ignorance. However I still think the changes need to be made, because what's on there is based on hearsay, and some of the rest of it is just factually incorrect.


 * You have no right to decided whether or not public information is posted here. If its erronious, thats one thing, but if I wanted to push in George Bush's profile something true that he didnt want to hear, theoretically he could not remove it. If buckethead wants to keep private, and hes certainly done a good job, its his perrogative, what is NOT his perrogative is whether or not that information, assuming it gets out, is on this site. The truth is that there are a handfull of record companies who have linked buckethead to brian carrol and thats the best thing we have to go on.

The only thing I repeatedly asked for was an explanation for the deletes, which you declined to do. Now that you have explained, I have no problem with the edits. RickK | Talk 04:51, 22 Mar 2004 (UTC)


 * I believe he did explain, prior to the last edit before the page was protected. -- Wapcaplet 18:05, 22 Mar 2004 (UTC)

Some references to the real name: I'd call them authentic as far as authenticity on the Internet goes.. Then again it's possible he just spread a fake name around :) // Gargaj 01:39, 9 March 2006 (UTC)
 * 1) http://www.guitarworkshop.com/guestinstructors/patmetheny/
 * 2) http://www.axemojo.com/guitarists/buckethead.htm
 * 3) http://www.discogs.com/artist/Buckethead
 * 4) http://www.isound.com/music/buckethead/

Buckethead chooses not to reveal his real name, and we should respect that. Since he chooses not to reveal his name, there is actually no way of knowing what his real name is, short of finding his birth certificate. Buckethead is a great artist, and his wish to remain anonymous should be granted. *Lizz*

I think the reference to Brian Carroll should be deleted, since it's completely unsubstantiated. At the very least, it should be clearly explained as a conjecture. Perhaps this whole debate could be summarized. Rocinante9 16:41, 29 August 2006 (UTC)

IMDB Lists his real name as Brian Carroll, but they could be tainted by false sources. As usual. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.176.85.30 (talk • contribs)

An interview with Ozzy Osbourne also cites his (first, at least) name as being Brian. Heh, as I'm writing this, someone's just changed the name from Ben whatever back to Brian Carroll. As it stands, I'd say Big B's real name is Brian Carroll. That's the only name I've ever heard attributed to him outside of Buckethead and Death Cube K.


 * Ozzy Osbourne: "I tried out that Buckethead guy. I met with him and asked him to work with me but only if he got rid of the fucking bucket. So I came back a bit later and he's wearing this green fucking Martian's-hat thing. I said, 'Look, just be yourself!' He told me his name was Brian, so I said that's what I'd call him. He says, 'No one calls me Brian except my mother.' So I said, 'Pretend I'm your mum then!' I haven't even got out of the room and I'm already playing fucking mind games with the guy. What happens if one day he's gone and there's a note saying, 'I've been beamed up?' [Laughs] Don't get me wrong, he's a great player. He plays like a motherfucker!" -- X3J11 00:26, 16 November 2006 (UTC)

Ummm, excuse me, his real name is Brian PATRICK Carroll, he was born on Oct. 19 1969 in santa monica, source: http://repertoire.bmi.com/writer.asp?fromrow=1&torow=25&keyname=CARROLL%20BRIAN%20PATRICK&querytype=WriterID&keyid=433645&page=1&blnWriter=True&blnPublisher=True&blnArtist=True&affiliation=BMI&cae=239688123

thanks - Sea Si Diablo


 * Source is OK for the name and can be added to the main article. Where is the birthdate reference? 156.34.222.253 01:07, 30 March 2007 (UTC)

This is pure original research and if it wasn't for the numerous sources I would not post, but his name IS Brian Carroll. I went to the same high school as he did, and even had his brother as a teacher. --Carl Von Clausewitz 09:47, 18 May 2007 (UTC)

a very high probability that BH is Brian Patrick Carroll; the knowledge is pervasive enough in the culture and literature surrounding him, has been for years. If it's on one or two websites, it's a reliable source; if it's all over the internet as well as many reputable publications, then it's seen as "a very convincing rumour." Even considering the technical possibility it is not his real name, it is a significant aspect of the Buckethead figure an mythos that must be addressed. To people with good intentions trying to argue for BH's privacy: you can't omit information on the basis that it's "personal," or "against the wishes" of the person in question - even for the biographies of living persons. That's not what Wikipedia is about. - User 22:00, 26 August 2007

if you guys are so bent on "respecting his wishes," then how do YOU know that Brian Carroll is his real name to be so offended? didn't your overwhelming devotion and sympathy of his desire to remain anonymous not convince you to ignore any rumours you heard? or did you find out by "being there," being his fan from the start, hanging out and concerts and learning little bits about him as they were revealed for brief moments? Bullshit. You like to think that how YOU learned his real name was an organic process, honest and pure, right? "I've paid my dues." pfft. before you call wikipedia's stance on the public domain "cold and lifeless" or something else, get a grip. knowledge is for everyone, and this knowldge isn't even very malicious or anything. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.144.16.61 (talk) 03:59, August 27, 2007 (UTC)

i have this crazy personal theory that Buckethead is actually none other than Paul Gilbert himself. i can elaborate briefly: #1 seemingly same exact licks, #2 eerily, closely similar mental/physical traits pertaining to musicality, and #3 in the past 5 to 8 years both artist's careers have sort of staggered each others' because with Buckethead's fame came a resurrection for Paul's more serious rock guitar music. much like Clark Kent and Superman, it's weird man. EricJoseph (talk) 20:29, 17 December 2007 (UTC)

Yet another example of why the wiki concept fundamentally is flawed... because the best concepts are used against it by small pluralities to screw the system. So herere we have Fanboy war vs. public information yet again... This AIN'T a fansite. If he wants to keep his ID private - good for him. However if multiple public sightings, and reportable facts indicate that the identity of this person is known or reasonably suspected, such should be indicated. True wiki spirit would ensure we revert to something like "Buckethead is frequently attributed to be Brian Carroll", but instead we have edit-war and reversion-spam by the fanboys... —Preceding unsigned comment added by 58.33.112.31 (talk) 17:30, 10 May 2008 (UTC)

Helios Creed
Didn't BH do some recording with Helios Creed? I'm sure they played some shows together back in the mid 90s googuse 19:44, Apr 25, 2005 (UTC)

I think it should be noted in the article that Buckethead was named the 8th fastest guitarist in the world by Guitar One magazine.

I believe this article is lacking the great intellectuallity and genius of Buckethead, maybe you should add his background (where the buckt came from, his obssession with robots and chicken coops.

DJ Qbert
Bucket head also appears in The DJ Qbert animation movie Wave Twister for a brief 10 seconds.

im not a fan of bucket head but he always managed to pick my curiosity also when i saw him in that movie.

So maybe you guys want to add that as a fact in the article.

that's not kabuki mask he wears. Kabuki uses no masks of any sort. it's a regular white mask.

Old picture of Carrol without his mask
Check out this messy fansite It contains an old newspaper picture of Buckethead without his mask (note his fingers!), plus some additional info (with no source ofcourse). Should we use this site? -- Face 17:10, 11 May 2006 (UTC) http://www.geocities.com/stringcheese242001/ Face 13:04, 2 June 2006 (UTC)
 * WHICH fansite? I can see two ... -andy 80.129.92.102 14:24, 23 May 2006 (UTC)
 * Huh. Somebody must've deleted it. I'm talking about this one:

yeah man i saw his fingers i tryed to find out if he had a disease or something on wiki but couldent find anything. his fingers are really really creepy

^It's called "Photoshop" —Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.204.18.28 (talk) 23:47, 11 November 2008 (UTC)


 * There was no Photoshop back in 1988 - or better almost no. It's real finger extensions you'll get at every Halloween shop. --Say Headcheese!-- hexa  Chord 2  00:14, 12 November 2008 (UTC)

His Mask
It is obviously a Kabuki mask or a plain white mask, it isn't a Michael Myers mask because is doesn't have eye brows or the full face type of the slasher film character's. Vlame 03:20, 1 June 2006 (UTC) Vlame

Kabuki has NO masks. EVER. Noh does but even then, the masks in that Japanese theater form do not look like that.

The Rock Report
Should this really be used as a source for the article? The quotation in question is almost certainly satire.

Height
IMHO the whole height issue is silly and should be deleted. So what if he's 7 feet tall with the bucket on? That doesn't make him 6'9". From the photos I've seen, I'd estimate the bucket adds at least 6 inches, which makes him no more than 6'6". Also ignored is the likelihood that he's wearing platform shoes, which could easily be 3-4" or more. So it's a non-issue. Rocinante9 16:41, 29 August 2006 (UTC) --->"So what?"  If he's 7' with the bucket, then that's the reliable measurement that's available, and it will be reported in here on Wikipedia.  Before you call it trivial, it is no more trivial than paris hilton's height, or miyamoto musashi's height, or the weight of the blarney stone - but if information is available then it will be listed.  The rest of your argument is original research.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.144.16.61 (talk) 03:47, August 27, 2007 (UTC)

Doesn't he wear Converse high-tops most of the time? Killridemedly 22:54, 6 September 2006 (UTC)

Yes he does Killridemedly. -kylej 23:43, 12 September 2006 (UTC)

No he doesn't kylej Buckethead wears mostly Converses. But they are not high tops. The Chucks i saw him wear at a concert were normal, as in that they werent high-topped, or platform shoes. I was literally 3 feet from his shoes. Fobsternd 06:31, 3 March 2007 (UTC)

I'm pretty sure that he is 5'10" something close to it. But then, I also got this information from the internet, which is a very unreliable source, so theres no real way of knowing without actually being right up on him.--24.119.143.87 (talk) 05:42, 27 April 2008 (UTC)

Masks
The main reasons everyone thinks it is a Michael Myers mask is because when Buckethead signs autographs, he wears a Michael Myers. I have no source except for a picture of me with Buckethead from a concert. The main reasoning in my opinion for the different mas is because if he wore the other mask, people could easily pull it off. Permission to mention that he changes masks for autographs? HughBatey4 03:44, 11 October 2006 (UTC)


 * I too have heard it's a Mike Myer mask, which could be somewhat substantiated as he does his own rendition of the Halloween theme song. -- X3J11 00:35, 16 November 2006 (UTC)


 * The mask he wears on stage is not a Michael Myers mask, this should be changed. KyuzoGator 18:37, 19 April 2007 (UTC)

Unmasked?
The link to the site saying which has an unmasked photo of him doesn't have one. It's just a normal pic with the bucket and mask thingy. Wtf? check link #2 (under the identity section) —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 202.174.131.194 (talk) 09:18, 18 December 2006 (UTC).

2/21/07 - https://host361.ipowerweb.com/~tdrsmedi/tdrsmusic_store/buckethead_catalog.html

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/9/99/Bucket-unmasked.jpg/250px-Bucket-unmasked.jpg

Quibble
Regarding this sentence of this paragraph in the intro: >> Although a capable multi-instrumentalist (playing bass guitar, banjo,[1] and piano), Buckethead is best known for his electric guitar, characterized by diverse playing styles spanning thrash guitar, fingerpicking, and slap guitar. Guitar One voted him number 8 on a list of the "Top 10 Greatest Guitar Shredders of All Time".[2] >> When you click the link to thrash guitar it takes you to thrash metal, which seems to be a style of music rather than a style of playing. So, I think that this sentence should be rewritten (excluding the thrash metal bit). Any objections...? Trcunning 13:05, 2 May 2007 (UTC)
 * Trash guitar sounds good to me, even though it's a very broad term. Although it mostly refers to a playing style in which one or a few strings are played at an extreme speed, the player can use various techniques. Still, I think we should just keep it like this. - Face 14:56, 3 May 2007 (UTC)

Maximum Bob
There seems to be no article for Maximum Bob (featuring in Enter the Chicken), and the link instead takes you to some TV show. I'd fix it myself but my eyes hurt. Ugh. 212.213.90.10 23:14, 12 August 2007 (UTC)
 * I doubt he's notable enough for a wikipedia article. Bucketheader 23:23, 12 August 2007 (UTC)
 * I disagree - Maximum Bob was the lead singer for the Deli Creeps, was heard on Mr. Bungle's self-titled debut, and is seen several times in the DVD "Secret Recipe". Perhaps I'm just such a huge fan of Maximum Bob Ernasty10050 (talk) 16:10, 19 December 2007 (UTC)

Avant-garde isnt a genre of music, its an arts movement
As the title explains. lets keep the genres at:

Avant-garde metal Instrumental metal Progressive metal Various Others Dissectional 17:55, 29 August 2007 (UTC)

EVH
Buckethead is really Eddie Van Halen. He uses this persona as an alias to do projects his other fans would object to. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 205.166.218.39 (talk) 17:55, 5 March 2008 (UTC)

EVH??? stop with your gibberish —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.15.43.127 (talk) 03:12, 28 March 2008 (UTC)

Buckethead is obviously Steve Vai.
Brian Carrol. Yeah right. Why would PFunk end up with a no name kid. No way. It is for sure Steve Vai.

You have no way of knowing that....he may not be Brian Carroll, but he's probably not Steve Vai either. Everyone should just respect Buckethead and stop discussing his identity. That's not what's important about him. It's his musical ability that we should be focusing on. *Lizz*


 * Seriously, do you have any proof it's Steve Vai? For one thing, Steve Vai isn't that tall. His hands are not that big. His playing style is completely different. Unless Steve Vai grows 10 inches when he puts on a mask, it's not him.

67.160.30.127 06:22, 25 August 2006 (UTC)


 * Big B's not Steve Vai. I'm a longtime fan of Vai, and while many guitarists are capable of easily switching sound, tone and style with their playing, there's certain little things they do that are a signature of their playing style that make it uniquely theirs.  Buckethead sounds nothing at all like Vai.  With a bit of effort, I'm pretty sure one could prove that they were playing at different places at the same time anyway.
 * Compare here and here ... in short, on Oct. 29 of this year, Buckethead was playing in Anaheim, CA at the House of Blues, while Steve Vai was in Wallingford, Connecticut at the Chevrolet Theatre.
 * The only name I've ever seen attached to him is Brian Carroll.

X3J11 00:20, 16 November 2006 (UTC)

His name is Brian Carroll. With 2 r's and 2 l's. YOu can tell Buckethead is not Steve Vai because of the way Vai uses vibrato. Fobsternd 06:28, 3 March 2007 (UTC)

Sorry, BucketHead is NOT Steve Vai, for the movie "Ghosts of Mars" Steve Vai and Buckethead both contributed their considerable playing abilities and they are seen in video of the studio recording sessions at the same time. Also, a very high probability that BH is Brian Patrick Carroll; the knowledge is pervasive enough in the culture and literature surrounding him, has been for years. Even if it is not his real name, it is a significant aspect of the Buckethead figure that must be addressed. To people with good intentions trying to argue for BH's privacy: you can't omit information on the basis that it's "personal," or "against the wishes" of the person in question - even for the biographies of living persons. That's not what Wikipedia is about. - User 22:00, 26 August 2007