Talk:Bud Day

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In the fourth paragraph, the sentence "...he was re-captured by the Viet Cong." seems a little misleading, since his first capture was by the North. Is anyone opposed to changing it to: "he was captured again, this time by the Viet Cong." Hildenja 16:19, 11 December 2006 (UTC)

Article Picture
Though the current family picture is very cute, is there a more encyclopedic picture that can be used for this article? Bud Day is not encyclopedic b/c he is a grandfather, but b.c of his past exploits. Djma12 03:58, 6 March 2007 (UTC)

This is a stub ie. the medal of honor citaiton is missing.

Day's politics
It's well documented that Colonel Day has been extremely active on the political scence in the last 9 years. This includes, though not limited to, his activity on behalf of U.S. veterans of the armed services, personal political motivations/affiliations and republican presidential campaigns, including the campaigns of 2000, 2004, and 2008 for both Mr. McCain and Mr. Bush. It seems relevant to note these activities in this BLP given that there are plenty of sources documenting this. How these activities reflect on Colonel Day's article/biography should not affect their possible inclusion. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Erkenbrack (talk • contribs) 23:39, 18 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Yes, I would have no problem with this, so long as the language is neutral and the sources are reliable (not blogs). Kelly  hi! 23:47, 18 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Except that the blog being cited is published by CNN, and thus qualifies as a reliable source. Method of publication is not what concerns us - editorial supervision is. Blogs published by professional media outlets (as opposed to those self-published) can be used. FCYTravis (talk) 06:40, 19 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Yet Kelly deleted my comment about Day's broader discussion of the role of 527s in the political process and his characterization that "527 groups can do very effective, truthful things, and the Swift Boat attack was totally truthful." The quote is referenced to the very same CNN blog entry, and is also found in the Miami Herald article in which the .WAV recording of the phone conversation of Day and the Florida GOP is found. How is verifiably quoting the man directly, in proper context, not neutral and reliable? Given that the man is understandably a supporter of John McCain's Presidential campaign, his broader views on the use or disuse of 527 organizations during the current election cycle seem to be perfectly legitimate topics for this BLP. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 18.240.6.113 (talk) 04:28, 23 July 2008 (UTC)
 * I know Day was also active in ESGR - Employer Support of the Guard and Reserve, which advocated for reserve component service members' rights under USERRA, a few years back. This should also warrant a mention. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 65.2.55.248 (talk) 00:41, 21 April 2010 (UTC)

CF-5/18?
The 'Retirement' section states that among the aircraft Day flew were the CF-5 Tiger and CF-18 Hornet. This seems strange as those appear to be the Canadian Forces designations, but Day was a USAF pilot. Can anyone explain what's going on there? -Joshuapaquin (talk) 13:14, 25 May 2009 (UTC)

Awards and decorations
Needs be converted from a vertical list into a table format like Chesty_Puller. Also needs to include Ribbon devices. &mdash; MrDolomite &bull; Talk 21:10, 31 January 2012 (UTC)
 * The Awards and decorations table does not agree with the ribbons being worn by Col Day in the infobox image. For instance, the right ribbon, second row, maybe the Defense Distinguished Service Medal.  I'm not a table wiz or a Day expert, or I'd fix it.   Note also that Col Day has a second honor around his neck, presumably a foreign award?  JMOprof (talk) 12:37, 29 July 2013 (UTC)

Here's a list of the medals I can identify in the nice Dress Whites high-res pic from 1987 (10 years after retirement) shown on the right. I wish we had this for everyone! They are in order of precedence (top to bottom, left to right). Comments follow.


 * A1 Medal of Honor


 * B1 Air Force Cross
 * B2 Air Force Distinguished Service Medal
 * B3 Silver Star


 * C1 Legion of Merit
 * C2 Distinguished Flying Cross
 * C3 Bronze Star Medal with Valor device and 2 bronze service stars


 * D1 Bronze Star Medal (not with Valor device and three bronze oak leaf clusters?)
 * D2 Defense Meritorious Service Medal
 * D3 Air Medal with silver and four bronze oak leaf clusters


 * E1 Purple Heart with three bronze oak leaf clusters
 * E2 Presidential Unit Citation with 2 bronze oak leaf clusters (not 3?)
 * E3 Air Force Outstanding Unit Award with Valor device and three bronze oak leaf clusters


 * F1 Combat Readiness Medal
 * F2 Army Good Conduct Medal
 * F3 American Campaign Medal


 * G1 Asiatic-Pacific Campaign Medal
 * G2 World War II Victory Medal
 * G3 National Defense Service Medal with bronze service star
 * G4 Korean Service Medal


 * H1 Vietnam Service Medal with two silver and three bronze service stars
 * H2 Air Force Longevity Service Award with 4 bronze oak leaf cluster (not 1 silver?)
 * H3 Armed Forces Reserve Medal
 * H4 Small Arms Expert Marksmanship Ribbon


 * I1 National Order of Vietnam, Knight degree (not Commander?)
 * I2 United Nations Service Medal for Korea
 * I3 Vietnam Gallantry Cross
 * I4 Vietnam Gallantry Cross Unit Award


 * J1 ???
 * J2 ???
 * J3 Vietnam Campaign Medal
 * J4 ???

Here are issues in comparison with the current WP article:
 * Answering some of my questions per responses below. The photo was a hastily-arranged shoot for Airman magazine, and the rack was put together by the reporters. This explains some of the discrepancies. See below. —&#91;  Alan M 1  (talk) &#93;— 21:12, 5 August 2013 (UTC)

1. Unidentified ribbons at J1, J2, and J4.
 * RoV Psychological Warfare Medal - 1st Class; RoV Veterans Medal - 1st Class; Republic of China War Memorial Medal.

2. At I1, the NOV is a plain ribbon, which, according to our page is the Knight degree, not Commander.

3. At H2, the Air Force Longevity Service Award has 4 bronze instead of 1 silver cluster. How many total years would be be entitled to, since he apparently got over another 4-year mark between whenever our list came from and 1987.
 * Again probably the fault of the rack assembler. Entitled to 7 total (1 silver + 1 bronze device) for 28 or more total years of service in all branches.

4. At E2, the PUC has an extra bronze cluster. Maybe a unit was awarded the citation retroactively, or our original list failed to recognize the citation for one of his units?
 * Two appears correct. No idea why the article said 3.

5. At C3 and D1, there are two Bronze Star Medals plus a "V" and two bronze service stars (total of 4 awards) instead of our list's single ribbon with a "V" and 3 bronze oak clusters (also 4 awards). This says he was awarded the medal three times (plus a "V") for service in the USMC, and just once for service in the USA or USAF. Does this make sense?
 * Answer: He wanted to distinguish the awards for valor from the one that was not.

6. (not pictured) Hanging below his MOH medal is another medal with the words "MEDAL OF VALOR", "GOVERNOR", "? OF IOWA", and "GREAT SEAL OF THE STATE OF IOWA". I'm guessing this could be the Iowa National Guard Medal of Valor?
 * Answer: Yes – it's the Iowa Medal of Valor.

7. He doesn't seem to be wearing a Marine Corps Good Conduct Medal.
 * Answer: It was awarded, but not actually presented until after the picture.

8. He doesn't seem to be wearing a Prisoner of War Medal.
 * Answer: The POW medal wasn't created until 1988, a year after the picture.

9. According to our (i.e. WP's) order of precedence, he's wearing the Purple Heart two notches too low (it should be right below the Bronze Star).
 * Answer: The order of precedence was changed and the guys that put it together for the shot got it wrong.

10. He's wearing the United Nations Service Medal for Korea above the Vietnam Gallantry Crosses, which makes sense (AFAIK, foreign awards have equal precedence and should be in order awarded).

Comments? Help? —&#91;  Alan M 1  (talk) &#93;— 18:38, 30 July 2013 (UTC)


 * Alan - nice work. Here are some more:  a 2nd LOM and a POW, and 4 Bronze stars total.  I've enquired of a USAF friend for some further insight. JMOprof (talk) 19:53, 30 July 2013 (UTC)


 * Alan - From the PH page: The Senate approved an amendment to the 1985 Defense Authorization Bill on June 13, 1985 which changed the precedence from immediately above the Good Conduct Medal to immediately above the Meritorious Service Medals. Day may not have gotten the word &#9786;, or more likely, didn't care in 1987. JMOprof (talk) 02:16, 31 July 2013 (UTC)


 * There's another estimation here. Trying to pin down the right breast wings. JMOprof (talk) 16:46, 31 July 2013 (UTC)


 * Cool. The ribbon illustrations in his stack throw some more light on the unknowns and may allow me to find them now. Nice resource, that site. I've asked the author for his input here, too. Note: A couple of IP editors have made some changes that may cause the comparison above to not make sense any more (I haven't looked closely yet). —&#91;  Alan M 1  (talk) &#93;— 23:03, 2 August 2013 (UTC)

Hi, I am the founder of Veteran Tributes, and I'm here to chime in on your discussion about Bud Day's decorations. A correct list of his decorations would be exactly the way they are shown on his tribute page I created for him here. This list has been compared against both his actual military records from the National Personnel Records Center, as well as against what I have learned from talking to him in person (some of the ribbons/medals are not on his uniform in various photos because of different time periods...some of the decorations he is authorized were not even created until after many of the photos of him in uniform were taken. For instance, in the high resolution photo of him in his Air Force Whites (a picture he absolutely hated by the way, and I wish someone would replace it with something else), he isn't wearing the POW Medal or his Marine Corps Good Conduct Medal. That's because the POW Medal wasn't created until 1988, a few years after that photo was taken; and the Commandant of the Marine Corps didn't award him his Marine Corps Good Conduct Medal until much later at a military function. The Commandant awarded it for his service as a Marine in WWII, but because Bud and a friend went joyriding in a Jeep, he wasn't presented it at the end of his Marine Corps service.

I am officially the Assistant Historian for NAM-POWs, the Association of Former Vietnam Prisoners of War, and it's my job to make sure all of these tributes for the POWs are historically accurate.

So with that said, here's your correct list of Bud Day's decorations:


 * A1 Medal of Honor
 * A2 Air Force Cross


 * B1 Air Force Distinguished Service Medal
 * B2 Silver Star
 * B3 Legion of Merit w/1 Bronze Oak Leaf Cluster


 * C1 Distinguished Flying Cross
 * C2 Bronze Star Medal w/V Device and 3 Bronze Oak Leaf Clusters
 * C3 Purple Heart w/3 Bronze Oak Leaf Clusters


 * D1 Defense Meritorious Service Medal
 * D2 Air Medal w/1 Silver and 3 Bronze Oak Leaf Clusters
 * D3 Air Medal


 * E1 Presidential Unit Citation w/2 Bronze Oak Leaf Clusters
 * E2 Air Force Outstanding Unit Award w/V Device and 3 Bronze Oak Leaf Clusters
 * E3 Prisoner of War Medal


 * F1 Combat Readiness Medal
 * F2 Army Good Conduct Medal
 * F3 Marine Corps Good Conduct Medal


 * G1 American Campaign Medal
 * G2 Asiatic-Pacific Campaign Medal w/2 Bronze Service Stars
 * G3 World War II Victory Medal


 * H1 National Defense Service Medal w/1 Bronze Service Star
 * H2 Korean Service Medal
 * H3 Vietnam Service Medal w/2 Silver and 2 Bronze Service Stars


 * I1 Vietnam Service Medal w/2 Bronze Service Stars
 * I2 Air Force Longevity Service Award w/1 Silver and 1 Bronze Oak Leaf Cluster
 * I3 Armed Forces Reserve Medal


 * J1 Air Force Small Arms Expert Marksmanship Ribbon
 * J2 National Order of Vietnam
 * J3 Republic of Vietnam Gallantry Cross w/Palm


 * K1 Republic of Vietnam Gallantry Cross w/Palm Unit Citation
 * K2 United Nations Service Medal
 * K3 Republic of Vietnam Psychological Warfare Medal - 1st Class


 * L1 Republic of Vietnam Veterans Medal - 1st Class
 * L2 Republic of Vietnam Campaign Medal
 * L3 Republic of China War Memorial Medal

The Psychological Warfare Medal should have a metal device that looks something like megaphones on it, but I haven't been able to digitally duplicate it yet. The reason the Air Force Longevity Service Award ribbon has a silver and bronze cluster is because that ribbon actually covers each 4 years of service in ANY branch of the military, not just the Air Force, which was a little-known rule about that ribbon.

If anyone has any questions, feel free to e-mail me at info@veterantributes.org — Preceding unsigned comment added by Wysiwyg1973 (talk • contribs) 01:04, 3 August 2013 (UTC)

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Promotion to Brigadier General?
Bud Day was promoted to brigadier general on the retired list in the NDAA for 2017. See this link: https://www.congress.gov/bill/114th-congress/senate-bill/2943/text?r=231. Should his rank be changed? Snakeskinsam 23:52, 4 February 2017 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Snakeskinsam (talk • contribs)

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Updating ribbons
Some questions on comparison with this source, perhaps for :
 * These decorations have more awards there than here:
 * Asiatic–Pacific Campaign Medal – 3 vs. 1
 * Vietnam Service Medal – 16 vs. 14 (and why not just one ribbon with three ss then? Awards from diff branches?)
 * Air Force Longevity Service Award – 7 vs. 6
 * We show Order of Victory of Resistance against Aggression ribbon.png, supposedly the "Order of Victory of Resistance against Aggression". In the "whites" pic, at the bottom right of the rack, is a ribbon of red/dark blue/center yellow/dark blue/red with a metal device, which is variously called the "Medal in Commemoration of Victory in the Resistance Against Aggression" and "China War Memorial" here and "War of Resistance Victory Commemorative Medal" here. Since we know from the pic that he definitely has this, was it maybe confused with the ribbon that we currently show (the first one shown above)?
 * We show the Republic of Korea War Service Medal and the Medal of Valor, Iowa Air National Guard
 * There is what appears to be a star badge below the right breast pocket. Any ideas? —&#91;  Alan M 1  (talk) &#93;— 19:36, 8 September 2018 (UTC)
 * On the photo in the white dress in the article, Day wears the Iowa ARNG Medal of Valor around the neck. ASPAC has got 2 campaign stars, AFAIK, and VSM has got 14. The Air Medal and Vietnam Service Medals should be displayed on two different ribbons, at least the later one. I also do not know why he apparently has got 7 Longevity Service awards, with over 32 yrs. of total service in all branches. The Korean War Service Medal was only authorized for acceptance and wear for Korea veterans from 2000 on. 2001:7E8:D4BE:6401:9CD3:3AC2:307A:7E3F (talk) 21:34, 6 January 2019 (UTC)

col. day awarded M.O.H. by pres.nixon[during pres. fords tenure] 2603:9000:8801:59BC:ED75:A968:E35B:8170 (talk) 21:13, 14 September 2023 (UTC)