Talk:Bud Dunn/GA1

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Reviewer: Montanabw (talk · contribs) 19:37, 5 February 2016 (UTC)

As I have not edited this article ever, I believe I can do a neutral assessment and shall do this review. Montanabw (talk) | GO THUNDER!  19:37, 5 February 2016 (UTC)


 * Comments:
 * 1) The article would benefit from a bit of expansion; I was looking at this where it noted that he won his first championship when he was 74 and had been a trainer for 42 years. That is really interesting!  It is also interesting that his son won a title before he did.
 * I have expanded a little, can do more. White Arabian Filly ( Neigh ) 21:52, 5 February 2016 (UTC)


 * 1) I don't know if this is worth adding, but h is also in his local community's sports hall of fame. (Maybe a minor point)
 * Added as ref. May add in article space in a minute. White Arabian Filly  ( Neigh ) 21:52, 5 February 2016 (UTC)


 * 1) Would like to see some more wikilinking (horse trainer, black (horse) links to article about the World Grand Championship) and so on)
 * Done to the obvious ones. Also to TWH WGC article. White Arabian Filly  ( Neigh ) 21:52, 5 February 2016 (UTC)


 * 1) However, also be aware of overlinking, i.e. Tennessee Walking Horse -- the general rule is link in the infobox and link the first time used in article text.
 * Undid that one. White Arabian Filly  ( Neigh ) 21:52, 5 February 2016 (UTC)


 * 1) Be more consistent in terminology; i.e. Tennessee Walking Horse, Walking horse etc... at least be sure lead and infobox use the same phrasing, even if it is abbreviated a bit in the article text.
 * Changed to Tennessee Walking Horse in every mention. White Arabian Filly  ( Neigh ) 21:52, 5 February 2016 (UTC)


 * 1) For the non-equestrian reader, be clear what "World Champship" we are discussing in the lead.
 * Did it! White Arabian Filly  ( Neigh ) 21:52, 5 February 2016 (UTC)


 * 1) The lead itself needs to be expanded a bit (see WP:LEAD ) -- this my least favorite part of GA article writing, but basically think "one paragraph text=one summary sentence in lead" for an article of this length. Think in terms of one pretty decently-sized paragraph or (better yet) two reasonably-sized paragraphs.  It looks like he is notable for being trainer of the year as an elderly man, so maybe clarify if he got the award as a lifetime achievement thing or if he simply won in spite of being very old -- either way, it's worth mentioning. I'd also mention that he won one championship at age 81 (which is amazing) Given that he and his son are the only father-son pair to win World Championships, that all should be spelled out more explicitly in the lead.
 * Tried to expand more, and put it in the lead. I think he just won in spite of being old, but it's still very impressive. I mean, undoubtedly that's easier than show jumping or rodeo, but still, most people retire waaay before then... It's interesting too that his HoF induction came before either big win. White Arabian Filly  ( Neigh ) 21:52, 5 February 2016 (UTC)


 * 1) The citations should be filled in more completely with parameters for date=, publication= , author= (or better yet, last= first= ) and page # if applicable.  If you have editing limitations due to your equipment, ask if someone (other than me) can help you.
 * Doing... White Arabian Filly ( Neigh ) 21:52, 5 February 2016 (UTC)


 * 1) This is just me, but unless the individual horses have a lot more to say about them, I'd not give them each their own subsection, I'd consolidate them into one, perhaps titled "Significant horses" or something like that.
 * Done. Interesting that they were sire and colt, although he doesn't seem to have owned either of them. White Arabian Filly  ( Neigh ) 00:10, 6 February 2016 (UTC)


 * 1) SIGNIFICANT: You may want to include his full legal name in the lead sentence:  "Emerson "Bud" Dunn', this also gives us an accurate date of birth (I LOVE find-a grave for this stuff!):  http://www.findagrave.com/cgi-bin/fg.cgi?page=gr&GSln=Dunn&GSfn=Emerson&GSbyrel=all&GSdyrel=all&GSob=n&GRid=141463144&df=all&
 * Did it. It's weird not even the newspaper obit gave his real first name, but I didn't think his parents named him Bud. White Arabian Filly  ( Neigh ) 21:52, 5 February 2016 (UTC)

All for now, more to come. If you have any questions about how to address my concerns, feel free to ask! Montanabw (talk) | GO THUNDER!  20:20, 5 February 2016 (UTC)
 * , I have addressed pretty much all your concerns. Can you look and see if there's anything else that's a problem? White Arabian Filly  ( Neigh ) 20:55, 7 February 2016 (UTC)


 * Sorry not to get back to you. Have drama at Colonial Spanish Horse page... will get back to you, though!   Montanabw (talk) | GO  THUNDER!  20:57, 7 February 2016 (UTC)
 * Saw that. I probably won't be back on until tomorrow. I'm going to watch the Super Bowl and try to catch the Budweiser commercial. They say it's supposed to have a Clydesdale foal. White Arabian Filly  ( Neigh ) 21:05, 7 February 2016 (UTC)


 * Ok, swung by and a lot is better! A couple more things, they may appear nitpicky, but they'll be good in the long run:


 * 1) Need the full citation for this book  (see cite book )
 * 2) Authors should be last name, first name. I'm OK with the "author=" template, personally, but sooner or later, someone will probably swing by and make them "last = |first ="  Just FYI.
 * 3) That county sports hall of fame site said, "His influence on the training of Tennes­see Walking Horses redefined the sport in many ways." Do you have any sources that explain this?  What did he do that was innovative? That's important if you can find details; just saying the generic "redefined the sport" is kind of meaningless, so I don't think you need to say that unless you DO find details (I did find a negative site about the Big Lick, but I don't want to go there, and it's a unusable blog anyway).
 * 4) Of your existing sources, this one has a wee bit more stuff -- that he attended the Celebration for 50 years, was very well-liked, it says he was two-time trainer of the year?  this source verifies the other Trainer of the year, looks like 1980?
 * Other than looking for ways to expand content a wee bit more, I really think all that's left is fixing the footnotes. You are almost there!   Montanabw (talk) | GO  THUNDER!  21:42, 7 February 2016 (UTC)
 * 1. I found and added the page number, publisher and other stuff, but couldn't find ISBN. It's an older book so it may not even have one.
 * 2. I changed the authors to last name, first name and added publication dates.
 * 3. I can't find any source that says exactly what he did that was particularly innovative. I think he was admired because he had good horses and never won a big stake until he was 74 (added a quote from him about how popular he and the horse were. In the source it says the fans were waving Rebel flags because Rebel was the horse's barn name, but I didn't put that because of all the Confederate flag controversy; I figured somebody would delete it or turn it into an anti-South piece of crap like the Margaret Mitchell article). I put the thing about his first trainer of the year award in there. I think the second time he won it, it was a special thing related to the Celebration and not necessarily to the whole association.
 * 4. Footnotes are hopefully fixed with cite news templates.

White Arabian Filly ( Neigh ) 16:46, 8 February 2016 (UTC)


 * I think you've addressed all my concerns. Good to go and CONGRATULATIONS!  .   Montanabw (talk) | GO  THUNDER!  18:55, 9 February 2016 (UTC)