Talk:Bud Selig

Selig was acting commissioner
Could someone who knows include a mention here of why Selig was only acting commish? &mdash; Adam Conover &dagger; 04:45, Jun 9, 2004 (UTC)

I see a two year old question from Adam Conover... Selig was initially an "acting" commish as a half-step by the owners to basically neutering the position. The original expectation was that Fay Vicent's deputy would be appointed the new commish. The owners took the opportunity to make their lives easier by just replacing the commish with an owner. Over the next few years they fielded plenty of criticism but with no government action they felt safe to finally make Selig the official commissioner. Most would argue that he is less a commissioner and more a chief administrator executing the wishes of the owners. Anon Y. Mouse 22:29, 13 June 2006 (UTC)

Anon, that may have been true when the post was filled, but Selig is on record as supporting 'regional realighnment'--i.e., what every other major sports league in North America already has--and an expansion of the DH to the National League...are we to take it, then, that these are also the desires of the majority of MLB owners? And if so, why haven't they already been implemented? Selig may have been put in place as a mouthpiece, but at this point he would appear to be an ill-controlled one...Chrysicat 22:24, 13 July 2006 (UTC)

Precisely because Mr. Selig works with all of the owners to bring them towards consensus, he has not implemented his own ideas by fiat. Divisional realignment was a big issue during the last rounds of expansion; he ended up taking the bullet with his own team to help get the owners to agree on a plan. Mr. Selig is certainly not just a mouthpiece, but he is clearly governing as a CEO for MLB, much like the commissioners of the NFL, NBA, and NHL govern their leagues. --Isaac Lin 07:38, 30 July 2006 (UTC)

JIM JOYCE CONTROVERSY
The Wiki article is *wrong* when it says that Selig said that he will not overturn Joyce's call on the potential perfect game. Selig said that he will look at instant replay for the future, but didn't SPECIFICALLY address the call. That does *not* mean that he won't overturn it in the future. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.23.118.127 (talk) 02:39, 4 June 2010 (UTC)

sorry buddy, i hate it too, but Bud said the call standsTu-49 (talk) 11:47, 4 June 2010 (UTC)

Braves' biggest stockholder
Could someone who knows include a mention of how Selig became the Braves' biggest public stockholder. That seems like quite a feat for somebody in the "automobile business." takethemud, 2am, 10/16/05


 * I'm particularly interested in an answer to this question because he seems to have attained that position while still under 30 years old. How is that possible? Heian-794 16:36, 27 May 2007 (UTC)

Kenny Rogers incident
Edited the Kenny Rogers incident under the "Commissioner" section. Rogers did NOT accidentally bump the one cameraman--he did grab his video camera as an act of disruption. --A.T. Horsfield 01:29, 13 April 2006 (UTC)

Salary Cap
I'm wondering if someone should include a mention of the loose salary cap implimented during this period. IMHO, that's Selig's major accomplishment--it basically resurected teams like the Twins and Brewers by giving them enough money to lock up their starting pitching and young stars.

The Twins under Carl Pohlad have tightly controlled spending regardless of revenue sharing and benefited from a relatively weak AL Central (something that has turned around in 2005 and this year), and the Brewers were below .500 from 1993 to 2004 (they were at .500 in 2005, and are currently below .500 in 2006). So I would not consider these two teams as a positive result of the revenue sharing plan put in place durig Selig's tenure. -- Isaac Lin 04:43, 24 August 2006 (UTC)

Innovative Ideas
The introductory paragraph to this section is argumentative. It seems inappropriate to pass judgment on Selig's support without providing citations.

The drug testing policy doesn't really fall under the category of innovative in my mind. It isn't a particularly novel or unusual policy. -- Isaac Lin 04:43, 24 August 2006 (UTC)

Bush as Successor
Is there a cite for this? Looking into it, I see that, in 1992, Bush thought Selig backed him for the job (he doesn't seem to have been correct about that), but can't find anything to indicate that Selig, today, thinks Bush should succeed him. Bokonon42


 * There was a joke about this on the Tonight Show with Jay Leno last night. I can't find any proof on any report execpt for the blogs, but I wonder if he used the unreferenced part as a joke?  Is Jay Leno so desperate for laughs that he's using Wikipedia to find jokes?  Maybe or maybe not.  I'll go ahead and remove whoever put the part in the article in the first place.Spongefan 13:22, 20 June 2007 (UTC)


 * I swear some people give way too much self-importance to Wikipedia.   WatchingYouLikeAHawk 15:15, 5 August 2007 (UTC)

The Selig entry on Wikipedia is useless because the person who wrote it is very biased toward Selig.

It is noted that revenue rose during Selig's reign. Why is there no mention of the average price of a baseball ticket during his reign? How about the increase of a cost of a baseball ticket in relation to inflation? Many people have criticized Selig for this.

Why is there mention of a historian who says he the greatest commissioner, but no mention of those who believe Selig has not done a good job?

Why is there no mention of the fact that only one MLB team in the bottom half of total payroll has won the World Series? The author of the article completely ignores the fact that baseball salaries increased dramatically under Selig's reign. A Blue Ribbon Panel concluded -- during Selig's tenure -- that this makes smaller market teams less competitive. Why is there no mention of this in the Selig entry?

Also, during Selig's tenure, the NFL became the nation's national pastime. Why is this not mentioned in the Selig entry?

This article does not meet Wikipedia standards. It was written by an unobjective supporter of Bud Selig. It contains unacceptable omissions.
 * You can WP:Bold and help if you like.User:calbear22 (talk) 09:25, 22 April 2008 (UTC)

Selig's History
Is there any info out there about him between being a fan and an owner?! This is almost unbelievable to read. College...inheritance..amazing skill...car leasing....something? The reference seems basically skipped over? How does the man just jump to power?--Acussen 09:19, 25 July 2007 (UTC)
 * The following book has more information on Selig, as well as historical perspective on all of the previous commissioners: Isaac Lin 03:26, 22 August 2007 (UTC)

Agreed -- this "article" is seriously lame. There is no info on his background at all. 100% Wikiality. There's plenty more websites out there with loads more information on Selig. Another example of why Wikipedia should not have the Google page rank that it does -- it is totally overrated, this "article" and thousands of others prove it conclusively.

There is also credible evidence that there is a massive Jewish Mafia conspiracy involving the government and Selig is yet a member of the all-Jewish professional sports commissioner and owners. Vast sums of money are laundered and pocketed. All illegal, of course. Who's uncovering this? Dare not one or else! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.109.247.206 (talk) 01:33, 18 January 2008 (UTC)

Nobody's saying there's a conspiracy. At least I'm not. I like Jews. But, in all honesty, this article was hi-jewked if you will. An objective observer will conclude this is not a comprehensive, accurate and fairly written account of Selig's performance. It is unfortunate that certain Jews choose to use Wikipedia as a means of inaccurately promoting Bud Selig. It casts a bad light on the majority of Jewish people who are less zealous in their promotion of Jusdaism. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.85.191.91 (talk) 10:39, 7 June 2008 (UTC)

Bonds HR chase criticism
Selig in recent days has been criticized for not being enthusiastic in the owner's box during the tying HR by Bonds as well as attempting to insinuate in his press releases that Bonds has used steroids, even though he's never been charged with a crime. Many sports commentators have found this behavior perplexing and some have accused Selig of racism. I'll see how we can summarize the Selig criticisms into an encyclopedic format. WatchingYouLikeAHawk 15:19, 5 August 2007 (UTC)

$$?
How did Selig earn the money to become a minority owner of the Milwaukee Braves? Kingturtle (talk) 21:46, 13 December 2007 (UTC)

Used car salesman... I'm not joking — Preceding unsigned comment added by 108.78.170.41 (talk) 01:44, 17 November 2011 (UTC)

Moving Cubs/Astros series in 2008 due to hurricane
I understand this is of deep interest to Cubs/Astros fans and I have mixed feelings about the inclusion of this event. It seems to me that it is basically an operations decision between the Astros and Cubs that MLB had to mediate in order to get the two sides to agree. As it is not a policy question, I don't think it quite meets the standard for notability in this article. If any non-Cubs/Astros fans that believe this information should appear in this article can provide a rationale, I would appreciate it. Isaac Lin (talk) 13:43, 24 September 2008 (UTC)

So events that affect only the Red Sox and Yankees should not be prominent either then. The two games deeply affected the playoff races and was the use of the Commissioner's usual powers. The venues for home games usually depends on the owner of the home team unless Major League Baseball owns the team such as the Expos playing in Puerto Rico. And no-hitters are a prominent part of the game. Furthermore, pro-Milwaukee bias has been a long-held criticism of Selig especially with the Collective Bargaining Agreement. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 108.78.170.41 (talk) 01:29, 17 November 2011 (UTC)

And people wonder why Wikipedia has a writership problem... — Preceding unsigned comment added by 108.78.170.41 (talk) 01:30, 17 November 2011 (UTC)

Pd Image?
Are we sure the headshot someone uploaded of Mr Selig is in the public domain? The website where it came from clearly has a copyright notice at the bottom, all rights reserved...209.47.31.6 (talk) 04:22, 18 December 2008 (UTC) I believe the image is copyrighted as per above, please verify. 204.153.84.10 (talk) 21:04, 18 December 2008 (UTC)


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Dead Link
Reference #18 is a dead link 208.120.218.206 (talk) 00:36, 13 February 2009 (UTC)

Opening paragraph heavily non-neutral
Very clearly biased in favor of Selig rather than objectively describing both successes and failures, praise and criticisms. I will be adding the non-neutrality banner to the top shortly.Jeeb (talk) 17:10, 25 October 2012 (UTC)

Where'd the banner go? Seems someone removed it without any discussion??? --76.197.4.8 (talk) 09:47, 2 August 2013 (UTC)

The Wild Card paragraph non-neutral
That paragraph is very editorialized against the wild card. There is no mention of the extra revenue it generates nor the fact that two division winners could have a worse record then the wild card team. I nominate this paragraph be downsized to just mention the institution of the Wild Card and that's it. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 108.74.239.169 (talk) 14:05, 19 October 2014 (UTC)

Infobox
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Hall of Fame info box?
I tried to add the “Baseball Hall of Fame” like to the info box but for some reason it won’t work? Can anyone help? --Coingeek (talk) 05:40, 17 August 2018 (UTC)


 * What exactly are you trying to add, and how? - BilCat (talk) 05:55, 17 August 2018 (UTC)


 * Well, all of the articles on Baseball hall of famers have a “member of the National baseball hall of fame” thing at the bottom with their vote percentages and year inducted. That’s what I wanted to do but I haven’t been able to figure it out. --Coingeek (talk) 06:02, 17 August 2018 (UTC)


 * Oh, you meant your edits last year. I thought it was something you were trying to do today. What you added won't work because the parameters aren't a part of Template:Infobox officeholder. Kenesaw Mountain Landis.is a commissioner in the Hall of Fame also, and doesn't have HOF info either. You should probably ask at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Baseball, and see if the regulars there have a solution or workaround. - BilCat (talk) 06:11, 17 August 2018 (UTC)


 * As a test, I tried adding Template:Infobox baseball biography with only the HOF parameters, and it worked, though there is a visible gap between the two infoboxes. We'll see how long it takes some busybody to remove it. :) - BilCat (talk) 06:52, 17 August 2018 (UTC)

Thank you! --Coingeek (talk) 16:44, 17 August 2018 (UTC)


 * You're welcome. You should still probably ask at WT:Baseball to see if there's a more permanent solution. - BilCat (talk) 00:10, 18 August 2018 (UTC)

Selig adamant about moving/keeping the Brewers in the NL?
I heard Selig just HAD to have his Brewers in the NL because the Milwaukee Braves of the '50s were in the NL, and that's part of the reason why the Astros were basically bullied into the AL rather than switching the Brewers back to the AL where they originally were from. Not sure if this is true, sounds like it is and I think it's important enough to get mention in the article if it is.

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