Talk:Budapest Gambit

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 * The point of this is that "Gambit" is far more common than Defense/defence, right? Bubba73 (talk), 18:19, 18 January 2009 (UTC)


 * Uh no, not really, it is just that I would like to see if traffic increases as the article improves. But there does not seem to be a link for the moment :-( SyG (talk) 21:46, 18 January 2009 (UTC)


 * Did you see yesterday's traffic? It is incredible number - about 1400! Probably becouse of this: http://mostpopulartopics.com/node/5383/budapest_gambit.html --Userresuuser (talk) 11:31, 20 May 2009 (UTC)


 * Wow ! I did not expect this kind of site to bring readers to this kind of article ! Thanks for the hint, otherwise I would have been puzzled for weeks. SyG (talk) 12:32, 20 May 2009 (UTC)

Now it is a lot easier to get the page view statistics. Go to article/view history/page view stats near the top. However, is there a point to be made with this table of stats? Bubba73 (You talkin' to me?), 16:11, 14 March 2010 (UTC)


 * Sorry, I cannot find the link you are talking about ? Is there a special patch to install to get that feature ? SyG (talk) 16:28, 14 March 2010 (UTC)


 * Be on the article (not the talk page), click "history" tab, and then a few lines down is a line "external tools", which lists four blue links, and "page view stats" is one of them. It doesn't seem to be something that is set in "my preferences".  Bubba73 (You talkin' to me?), 16:45, 14 March 2010 (UTC)


 * Oh, I get it now. Thanks ! SyG (talk) 11:23, 20 March 2010 (UTC)

BTW, if someone can explain why there was a 2k spike in November 2011... SyG (talk) 21:15, 30 July 2012 (UTC)

5.f4...Compensation?
I understand that after 4...Ng4, 5.f4 makes it hard for white to develop. But doesn't a space advantage present some compensation for the development loss? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 205.122.213.2 (talk) 19:32, 20 January 2010 (UTC)


 * A space advantage is not useful in itself. It becomes useful if you can make something of it (like developping an attack) or if it annoys your opponent (because he is lacking of space). Here White has a space advantage but it only helps Black to develop his initiative through the open lines. SyG (talk) 13:53, 23 January 2010 (UTC)
 * Hmmm...okay, thanks SyG. GrandMattster 20:51, 25 January 2010 (UTC)


 * Do you mean 4.f4? (1.d4 Nf6 2.c4 e5 3.dxe5 Ng4 4.f4) otherwise I don't see what variation you mean. SunCreator (talk) 14:37, 23 January 2010 (UTC)
 * Yeah, that's what I meant. Sorry for being unclear/inaccurate. GrandMattster 20:51, 25 January 2010 (UTC)
 * See Other fourth moves after 3...Ng4 : "The greedy 4.f4 is weak...". 75.47.155.6 (talk) 17:17, 16 March 2011 (UTC)

Illustrative Games
Thanks - this is a very detailed and helpful guide to the Budapest Gambit. Have just been thrashed by someone playing it against me so am following Kasparov's advice always to learn something from your mistakes! Could I suggest at the end of each section inclusion of links to illustrative games - maybe a few with wins for White and a few with wins for Black. Even drawn games can be instructive. Neil Parker (talk) 16:00, 25 July 2012 (UTC)


 * Thanks for your kind words and this great suggestion. There are already numerous links to games in the section "Footnotes", but it may be interesting to add some at the end of each section as you suggest. I will try to work on that in the next weeks. SyG (talk) 12:45, 29 July 2012 (UTC)

Update to performance section
Ivanchuck played it against Aronian (and lost) in the Candidates Tournament. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 146.115.137.78 (talk) 13:40, 29 March 2013 (UTC)

Merger proposal
Propose that Budapest Gambit, Kieninger Trap be redirected here, since all the information contained there is already in this article. Cobblet (talk) 08:25, 2 September 2013 (UTC)


 * I agree. For now at least, the Kieninger Trap article doesn't have enough to be an article by itself.  Bubba73 You talkin' to me? 22:33, 2 September 2013 (UTC)


 * Agreed.--Grondilu (talk) 14:40, 8 September 2014 (UTC)
 * Oppose. It isn't quite true that all the information at Budapest Gambit, Kieninger Trap is here, as that page explains the trap at a more elementary level than would be appropriate here.  (It can also afford a second diagram, which wouldn't be a wise use of space here.)  A merge would also make it impractical to categorize the page as a chess trap.  (Admittedly that could be solved by eliminating the category entirely, if desired.)  Finally, this article is already far too long and should be significantly trimmed.  More in this article should be removed rather than added.  Quale (talk) 00:47, 9 September 2014 (UTC)

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