Talk:Buddy Holly/Archive 3

Everyday
"Everyday" was 'released on September 20, 1957 as the B-side to "Peggy Sue".' 'The song is ranked #236 on the Rolling Stone magazine's list of The 500 Greatest Songs of All Time.'  But there is no mention of it either in the article on Buddy Holly nor the Buddy Holly discography, nor do they contain a link to the article about the song. Can someone figure out how to include this important information somewhere in these articles? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 96.251.199.173 (talk) 15:09, 5 July 2011 (UTC)
 * I added a mention of "Everyday" today to the Buddy Holly discography article (in the Singles chart/table with "Peggy Sue"). Not a very elegant solution though - I'm not sure the best way to identify "notable" B-sides in this table format.  Maybe someone else can figure out a better way to present "Everyday" in the Singles chart? Pugetbill (talk) 15:31, 7 August 2011 (UTC)

Ironically
"Ironically, the launch of Bobby Vee's successful musical career resulted from Holly's death, when he was selected to replace Holly"

Does this really fit the definition of "Irony"? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 89.204.245.63 (talk) 01:25, 23 August 2011 (UTC)
 * Not really. See the article on irony, which a lot of us have worked very hard on to clarify this issue. S  B Harris 01:50, 23 August 2011 (UTC)

Off-label?
This site says "That'll be the Day" was taken from a line in "The Searchers". Is this reliable?

Buddy Holly myths in danger of becoming fact
Whoever came up with the idea that "Holly set the template for the standard rock and roll band: two guitars, bass, and drums, He was one of the first in the genre to write, produce, and perform his own songs" was not, I'm guessing, around at the time.

The two guitar, bass, drums line up was already the norm in Britain, thanks to skiffle, started by Lonnie Donegan in 1955. Holly's material was consequently particularly popular amongst Britain's pop groups because it could be easily performed by the former skiffle groups. This may or may not explain why Holly was more popular in the UK than in his native USA. In the USA the standard line up remained principally the traditional 'one of each' format until the arrival of the Beatles.

Likewise the "one of the first" phrase should carry the 'weasel words' tag. He was 'one' of them, yes, but there were far more of them around than that particular phrase suggests. Charlie Gracie, Eddie Cochran, Little Richard, Carl Perkins, Chuck Berry, Richard Berry, Bo Diddley, Bobby Darin, and that's before I start on the groups and British acts...

The trouble is I can't post any of this because it's all personal experience and therefore not allowed. I think the trouble with the history of music is that it's written by fans all of whom want to show their favourite artists/genre/whatever in their best light. It would all be so much better if people just stuck to the simple facts and saved us all the phoney superlatives. --Deke42 (talk) 01:32, 24 February 2012 (UTC)


 * You've got it backwards. If there are unsourced statements that you know are wrong or misleading, you can either slap on citation needed tags (and, after a decent wait, remove the text if none are forthcoming) or WP:be bold and delete it immediately. Clarityfiend (talk) 09:23, 24 February 2012 (UTC)

Reordering of sections?
Certainly the Personal life and Lubbock sections should come before Death section. ~Eric F 184.76.225.106 (talk) 08:33, 5 March 2012 (UTC)


 * I've moved the former to Holly in New York, but the Lubbock section describes the memorials to him, so IMO it should stay where it is. Clarityfiend (talk) 09:17, 5 March 2012 (UTC)
 * Thanks! It seems I didn't actually read the Lubbock section, only the heading.  Maybe the heading should be more specific, such as 'Lubbock Memorial'; or perhaps a better idea would be to create a 'Legacy' heading with sub-headings (Memorials, Influence, In popular culture, etc.)  ~Eric F 184.76.225.106 (talk) 15:45, 5 March 2012 (UTC)

Consider adding a Buddy and Bob section (between 'Early life' and 'The Crickets'?) to reflect this important "rise to fame" part of his life; there is considerable info that is lacking in this article from this period; or is at least not compiled in a comprehensive manner. Some potential sources include:

~Eric F 184.76.225.106 (talk) 18:44, 6 March 2012 (UTC)
 * http://www.gibson.com/en-us/Lifestyle/Features/spotlight-1015-2010/
 * http://thisdayinmusic.com/search_result

Plane crash
The cause of the plane crash is not mentioned in the article. The following is (verbatim) from the Civil Aeronautics Board Accident Report. It should probably be summarized on this page for brevity; but certainly deserves a mention.
 * The Board determines that the probable cause of this accident was the pilot's unwise decision to embark on a flight which would necessitate flying solely by instruments when he was not properly certificated or qualified to do so. Contributing factors were serious deficiencies in the weather briefing, and the pilot's unfamiliarity with the instrument which determines the attitude of the aircraft.

>> Can anybody help with this? Perhaps this could be summarized as: The probable cause was determined to be related to pilot error. -- I was going to add this to the article myself, but am unsure how to cite this PDF, since it originated from CAB, then acquired by 'Des Moines Register' newspaper (as far as I know, it was not published, but used as background resource) and placed in their publicly-accessible database. The NTSB acquired responsibility for CAB, and the older Aviation Accident Reports are currently unavailable online. Could somebody with more WP experience do this? ~Eric F 184.76.225.106 (talk) 09:38, 5 March 2012 (UTC)

Holly's glasses
Holly's glasses became his visual signature. There's a concise article on the History Channel website, and there are plenty of other references. IMHO, a brief section on this would be of interest. If time permits, I might be able to do this -- but if YOU wish to try, please do! ~Eric F 184.76.225.106 (talk) 16:35, 5 March 2012 (UTC)

Weasel words
"...it has been said that Buddy was the favorite of the three boys." -- weasel words; and irrelevant. I've removed the following sentence, feel free to put back (with citation):

They adored Buddy and it has been said that Buddy was the favorite of the three boys.

I also reworded the sentence which followed to reflect the fact that he was the youngest of 3 siblings. ~Eric F 184.76.225.106 (talk) 17:55, 6 March 2012 (UTC)