Talk:Budweiser Clydesdales/Archives/2012

Origin
When visiting this excellent place some years ago, i'm pretty sure that i read in here that the Clydesdale team was originally from the Genesee Brewing Company, and bought by A-B for Budweiser around the middle or end of WWI. Obviously this does not correlate with this article; does anyone have any information on this? I'd go and verify from the Museum, but i don't live here any more, having moved. Cheers, LindsayHi 12:35, 14 July 2008 (UTC)


 * Source for end of prohibition intro came from the Anheuser-Busch site, but it's possible they got the idea from elsewhere, they probably weren't the first brewery to use Clydes as a promotional team... do some digging if you'd like, be interesting.  Montanabw (talk) 03:31, 15 July 2008 (UTC)


 * Anheuser-Busch's own website is not the best source for information. Nor is the Busch Gardens site. Please use other references where possible. -Freekee (talk) 05:35, 17 August 2009 (UTC)


 * In the world of WP:V, there are times a site dedicated to the topic is a good source, other times it is potentially biased. This simply means that one must seek the best available sources.  However, in this case, the web sites for the company ARE probably the best sources for statistical information such as how many animals are at their farms, how animals make the hitch, the qualifications for the hitch, etc.  The history section can undoubtably be enhanced by additional sources, but as far as when the company itself premiered the hitch and what they did with it, the company source is apt to be reasonably authoritative as far as it goes.  I certainly think that if people can find additional sources that are accurate and verifiable, that would certainly improve the article.  However, there is no need to throw out existing sources just because they are company sources.  Anyone want to do more research and such is great with me.   Montanabw (talk) 17:17, 17 August 2009 (UTC)

Commercials
Are the YouTube links to commercials featuring the Budweiser Clydesdales really necessary? I seem to recall that Wikipedia eschews YouTube links unless they're absolutely integral to the article. --MicahBrwn (talk) 17:24, 2 February 2009 (UTC)


 * LOL! Maybe not absolutely necessary, (grin) but I think helpful.  In general, wiki's policy suggests that external links are appropriate for things that can't be placed on wiki due to copyright restrictions, which I am sure there are here, and we really do need at least a few commercials as examples, as after all, it's the TV thing that made them famous.  I'm not a huge fan of YouTube in general, but I had trouble finding anything better (some other sites, but iffy downloads, not compatible in all viewers, etc...).  If we could find a link to, say, a link within Anheuser-Busch's web site with many of these commercials, particularly the original one, I agree that would be better than YouTube.  But I'd sure like to keep the most of them, and in the meantime, I feel they do no harm. Besides, I bet you watched them, didn't you?  (LOL!)   Montanabw (talk) 21:16, 2 February 2009 (UTC)


 * Well, according to YOUTUBE, the acceptability of linking to YouTube videos are to be determined on a case-by-case basis. And judging by the criteria used, it seems to be appropriate.  Still, I don't think every single one of those ads are necessary for inclusion.  Two or three super-notable ads (like the one with the zebra as a referee), sure … but not all of them.  Just IMHO.  --MicahBrwn (talk) 08:35, 5 February 2009 (UTC)


 * Oh, but we haven't linked ALL of them by any means! LOL!  There were three different ones just in the 2009 Super Bowl!  LOL!   I suppose we really don't need the streaker one...but it's so goofy! (grin)  Montanabw (talk) 20:05, 6 February 2009 (UTC)

I don't feel that a list of every Super Bowl commercial that can be found on YouTube qualifies as a proper set of external links. Per WP:YOUTUBE, while it's not a deal-breaker that it's from YouTube, 1. those links may technically violate copyright, 2. they could be pulled at any time, and 3. while having a few of them might be illustrative (e.g., the "original" one), a mass linkage to YouTube does NOT satisfy WP:EL. umrguy 42  17:03, 13 January 2011 (UTC)
 * Also, "it's so goofy" is NOT a reason for inclusion, sorry. umrguy  42  17:05, 13 January 2011 (UTC)
 * Well, "a few might be illustrative" works for me. A bit of narrowing might be fine.  As I noted before, there is not "every" ad up there even now.  It's a representative sample.  The original "here comes the King" one needs to stay, some of the more unique concepts should remain, (The non-Superbowl ones, maybe concepts going from hitch commercials to animal actor ones -- i.e. keep the zebra, lose the donkey?  The use of the foals, perhaps, etc.)  and one or two recent ones need to stay.  I used the criteria "Sites that contain neutral and accurate material that is relevant to an encyclopedic understanding of the subject and cannot be integrated into the Wikipedia article due to copyright issues, amount of detail (such as professional athlete statistics, movie or television credits, interview transcripts, or online textbooks), or other reasons."  Here, the "other reasons" include detail, copyright, and relevance -- they illustrate the way they are best known to the most people (I've seen the live hitch maybe twice in my life?)  and also YouTube is needed because Anheuser-Busch has not chosen to archive them anywhere that I can find.   Montanabw (talk) 19:49, 13 January 2011 (UTC)

new photo
I just uploaded this photo: File:Budweiser-team aug2009.jpg, in case anyone thinks it would be a good addition to the article. -Freekee (talk) 05:32, 17 August 2009 (UTC)


 * NICE photo! Thanks for the tip!   Montanabw (talk) 17:38, 17 August 2009 (UTC)

Do they still haul beer?
Do the crates in the wagons have bottles of beer or are they empty? Bizzybody (talk) 07:40, 12 October 2010 (UTC)
 * Good question, I suppose their web site would have an FAQ with that information. If you find out, do pop the link in here, it's interesting detail.  Montanabw (talk) 19:36, 12 October 2010 (UTC)
 * I don't have a link, but I've heard that they do carry crates full of beer to actually give enough weight (that full hitch could easily take off with just an empty wagon). umrguy  42  17:03, 13 January 2011 (UTC)