Talk:Bulawayo South

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 * Don't compare apples with oranges. The white roll constituency 1979-1987 was an entirely different animal to the common roll seat that followed it. Fys. &#147;Ta fys aym&#148;. 21:09, 27 August 2007 (UTC)


 * Where else am I going to put the information about the white roll? Joe 27 August 2007


 * Did you know that the constituency of Bulawayo South which existed 1970-1979 went into the Bulawayo Central constituency in the 1979 amalgamation? Did you know that the Bulawayo South constituency of 1970-1979 shares not a single inch of territory with the Bulawayo South constituency in 2000? (Probably other years as well, I haven't checked all the Delimitation Commission reports) I also quibble with the description of a mainly working class constituency. Certainly, the Nketa and Emganwini areas are, but in Donington and the part of Belmont that's in the constituency there are only factories and no people. Meanwhile the other side of the Bellevue Road has some middle-class and high-class residential suburbs: Bellevue, Hillcrest, Hillside. And what about the Suburbs area to the immediate east of the city centre, south of Leopold Takawira Avenue? Where Milton High School is? Fys. &#147;Ta fys aym&#148;. 21:55, 27 August 2007 (UTC)


 * I understand what you mean, but it's none the less Bulawayo South. For example boundaries change on the UK constituencies, but the district name stays the same. Another example is U.S. Congressional Districts, once again the name or number stays the same, but they have been totally reconfigured. On another note, do you know where I can find cotemporary mapsof constituencies? Certainly there are some middle/high class areas, but from what I have seen it seems to be more working-class than high class. I will incorporate information more information about the district, this was just my way of starting the section. -- Joe —Preceding unsigned comment added by Josephabradshaw (talk • contribs) 15:41, August 28, 2007 (UTC)


 * The point I'm trying to make, possibly with a bit too much subtlety, is that you don't seem to be adding much to what I've already put on Wikipedia. If you really want to help research Zimbabwean/Rhodesian elections then I would have said the priority would be those election results which have eluded me. Any source you can find for the Tribal seats in the elections of the 1970s, for example: they did have polls, but only in 1970 have I been able to find results. I can tell you plenty of places the results can't be found - The Rhodesia Herald and the Sunday Mail don't have them; no election figures are given in the Rhodesia Government Gazette; the official announcement from Causeway cannot be traced etc. - so please feel free to try to find them. (I remain convinced that there was an english-language news source for the Rhodesian African middle-class published in Salisbury in the 1970s, but I have not found it yet)


 * Constituency boundaries are in the Reports of the Delimitation Commission. That of 1970 is applicable to 1970-1979 and is where I made the maps; the 1978 Delimitation Commission amalgamated constituencies to reduce them to 20 for the 1979 election, and the same boundaries were used in 1980. Zimbabwe then changed boundaries at every election. I have a copy of the 1995 and 2000 Delimitation Commission reports. The others are difficult to come by, even in good reference libraries. PS you may wish to examine the 2000 election results and compare with the page about the election which includes all candidates and their full names.


 * Currently I have every constituency result (except Tribal seats) up to 1980 and white roll byelections up to 1987. I have all but one constituency result from 1985, and most from 1995, and then everything from 2000 onwards. Also, every referendum result has been done. Would be delighted if you can help plug the gaps but don't see it as a productive use of your time just to rearrange what is already known. Fys. &#147;Ta fys aym&#148;. 16:33, 28 August 2007 (UTC)


 * Just to add quickly that the US practice of numbering divisions and having them represent entirely different areas of the same State is quite different to the practice in almost all other places with electoral divisions. In the UK there would certainly be an assumption that the same constituency name would refer to roughly the same area whenever used, although obviously there would be changes at the edges. The egregious exceptions such as Newcastle-upon-Tyne North in 1983 are worth commenting upon as a failure of the Boundary Commissioners. Rhodesia would generally follow UK practice. Fys. &#147;Ta fys aym&#148;. 21:12, 28 August 2007 (UTC)


 * Fys, I'm not 100% on the current Byo South boundaries, but are the areas north of Hamilton and Montrose schools along Matopos road part of Byo South or Central or another constituency? Joe, 28 August 2007


 * I don't have the current boundaries but I do have the 2000 Delimitation Commission report which is unlikely to be significantly different. (Note that the Parliament of Zimbabwe website promises to help in the future: points to ) In 2000, the northern boundary of Bulawayo South was on Birkenhead Road, running onto Josiah Chinamano Road, turning right onto Stockton Street, then left up Borrow Street to Twelfth Avenue, then up the stream in the middle of the parks to Leopold Takawira Avenue. The return was by way of George Avenue running into Phillips Drive, following round Burns Drive and then turning sharply left down the Hillside Road. Fys. &#147;Ta fys aym&#148;. 21:54, 28 August 2007 (UTC)


 * Yeah, I saw that constituency information on parlzim, but when are they supposed to actually have any info? I'm not sure how greatly the boundaries changed in 2005, but they did noticeably. From the results of the elections in 2000 and 2005 and the % of registered voters who voted it can be determined that the number of registered voters decreased significantly. This was likely due to boundary shifts. The boundary is probably near what it was in 2000, but has changed slightly. On another note I know you think I'm just stealing the work you've already done, but I hope you realize I think you have done a fantastic job and I greatly appreciate what you have done. My current situation does not allow me to go to the library and pick up the Rhodesian Herald, so the internet is pretty much all I've got right now. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Josephabradshaw (talk • contribs) 22:42, August 28, 2007 (UTC)

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