Talk:Bulgari/Archives/2017

What's Greek about Bulgari
The founder of Bulgari was an Aromanian, born in the Ottoman Empire. If his ethnicity and language was Aromanian, and he lived in the Ottoman Empire before moving to Italy, then what is it that makes him Greek? Jeppiz (talk) 18:11, 2 April 2016 (UTC)
 * You are messing things up. The only certainty in here is that the founder was ethnic Greek, he was called Sotirios Boulgaris (which stands for an authentically Greek name and surname, something that should be really hard to bear in Ottoman Empire era when exposing one's Greek ethicity would be a burden) and he was born and raised in northwestern Greece territory with ethnc Greek groups. For everything else other than that, references and citations are needed. However there are indeed some issues in the article causing the misunderstanding, namely the term Aromanian describing his birth place which is disputed, rather provocative if not deliberately used in the first place. In that sense, those disputed issues should be resolved. (LeonCR (talk) 07:33, 19 August 2016 (UTC)
 * To add further, after a brief search, I have found that the term Aromanian causing the misunderstanding has been added to several artcles involving Greek landmarks by a sporadic and unnamed user in Romania ( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/78.96.222.40 ), and these rather biased citations have remained all along unproven. Well it is now clear.(LeonCR (talk) 07:54, 19 August 2016 (UTC))

Bulgar origin in Asia, Tatarstan. Language is similar to bolgarian. It was a part of Tartaria. There was a city Bulgar founded in 12 century on Volga river. Vladbogodist (talk) 06:11, 11 November 2017 (UTC)

Origin, once more
I started a question about this 1½ year ago, unfortunately there was no serious reply (discounting a highly nationalistic one). The founder of Bulgari was born in the Ottoman Empire in an Aromanian village. The area where he was born would not become part of Greece until more than 50 years later. By that time, Bulgari had long since moved to Italy. So somebody who never lived in Greece and was not born to Greek parents is called Greek in the article. This seems to be a typical example of confusion, where people assume that if a place is located in Greece today, then it was Greek 160 years ago. For anyone knowing anything about the Balkans (or most of Europe) that assumption is far from always correct. As the only thing we do know with certainty is that Bulgari was Aromanian, I'm changing the article to reflect that fact. Claiming him as "Greek" or "Turkish" would not be accurate. Jeppiz (talk) 23:41, 18 November 2017 (UTC)