Talk:Bulgarian Folk Songs

The orthography of the book
I started an orthography page here. Then we can compare the old and the new orthography . — Preceding unsigned comment added by GStojanov (talk • contribs) 16:02, 3 June 2019 (UTC)
 * I think it's enough to provide links to the separate transliterations and to the original text. The superfluous nesting of foreign language texts in the article does not help the English-speaking reader. So I moved this here. Greetings. Jingiby (talk) 18:57, 4 June 2019 (UTC)
 * The English translation was fine, I did just minor tweaks. But the Bulgarian transliteration was wrong. There is no need to correct the spelling of Велигден, it is pronounced as such in Macedonian and that is why Miladinov brothers wrote it like that. But even more importantly the letter Yus: Ѫ in Macedonian is consistently pronounced as A and not as ъ (as it is in Bulgarian). This is one of the 13 differences between the Macedonian language and the one spoken in Bolgaria and Trakiya that Partenija Zografski talks about here: "13. Рогатата буква Ѫ в Македонското наречје се произносит како чисто А..." I just checked the Bulgarian transliteration you added to the page. It is riddled with mistakes like that. GStojanov (talk) 12:39, 5 June 2019 (UTC)
 * I don't understand neither who corrected the spelling of Великден, nor who corrected the spelling of Ѫ. Maybe you have to contact with the editors of the on-line Magazine LiterNet. Jingiby (talk) 15:30, 5 June 2019 (UTC)
 * I guess. This is the man on google scholar. Jingiby (talk) 15:38, 5 June 2019 (UTC)
 * Check here, and here, please. Jingiby (talk) 15:50, 5 June 2019 (UTC)
 * Well if Prof. Dr. Todor Mollov "transliterated" it like that, then we will keep it like that. I added a note to explain it. I will write him, but first I need to get better glasses to see what else he "fixed". A brief look tells me he misinterpreted ѥ too. That would affect the palatalization of Г, Н, Л and К. We might be in for a lot of fun. He transliterated J as Й and that is perfectly fine. But why did he need to "fix" the punctuation? This is obviously a poem, and fixing it to look like prose is just wrong. And the Cyrillic і sound is misinterpreted too. That would mess up the palatalization some more.   GStojanov (talk) 17:38, 5 June 2019 (UTC)
 * Sorry, read No original research; Identifying and using primary sources and RS AGE. Primary sources and especially outdated ones are not reliable on scientific field and original research is also not acceptable. Jingiby (talk) 18:13, 5 June 2019 (UTC)
 * That is ok. I will be busy in the next week or so analyzing the "transliteration". Maybe I will get Dr. Mollov to fix it. GStojanov (talk) 19:13, 5 June 2019 (UTC)

Significant changes
Significant changes were made far from neutrality. Discuss on talk first. Thanks. Jingiby (talk) 07:06, 14 March 2020 (UTC)
 * WHAT DO YOU MEAN FAR FROM NEUTRALITY? ALL OF MY CONTENT WAS SOURCED!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! STOP REMOVING SOURCED CONTENT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! DD1997DD (talk) 07:15, 14 March 2020 (UTC)
 * Studies in North Macedonia are far from neutrality. Do not use sources, maps, scientific opinions etc. from North Macedonia, exept to explain the opinions in North Macedonia. The article now explains objectively and chronologically the story of this book and gives the position of its authors. As Michael L. Benson, has explained in North Macedonia the past is systematically falsified to conceal the fact that many prominent 'Macedonians' had supposed themselves to be Bulgarian, and generations of students were taught the "pseudo-history". Wikipedia is not a place for fringe views. The map you have added is biased and incomplete. The areas from modern-day Bulgaria from where songs were collected are missing. Do not add it again, please. The Brothers also used mostly the terminology Western Bulgaria and Eastern Bulgaria not Bulgaria and Macedonia. All songs were collected onto the territory of then Ottoman Empire. The very name Macedonia was still unpopular then, and neither Bulgaria nor North Macedonia did exist as a separate states at their own time. The songs were collected from the territories of present-day Bulgaria, Greece and North Macedonia but the Brothers  called them Bulgarian, not Greek, West or North Macedonian etc. Moreover especially this book is a subject of different attempts of falsifications, mystifications and political manipulations in North Macedonia. Thanks. Jingiby (talk) 12:58, 14 March 2020 (UTC)