Talk:Bully (video game)/Archive 1

Intro paragraph
"A press release by Take-Two Interactive, publishers of the game, states, "As a troublesome schoolboy, you'll laugh and cringe as you stand up to bullies, get picked on by teachers, play pranks on malicious kids, win or lose the girl, and ultimately learn to navigate the obstacles of the fictitious reform school, Bullworth Academy." This Game is the best game ever made for any system in the history of the universe"

While I believe that Bully is a very good game, the last sentence is obviously not coming from an objective point of view; it has absolutely no place in an encyclopedia and therefore should be removed.

I removed the links to Bully OnLine. It appears to be a separate site from Bullying Online, which is the site that complained about the game. This may stem from what appears to be a typo in [www.igniq.com/2005/08/thompson-bullies-rockstar-over.html]; according to, Carnell is from Bullying Online. Of course, this is complicated by a link from that BBC article to Bully OnLine. If anyone has evidence that Bully OnLine has complained, please add that to the article. -GregoryWeir 20:12, 26 October 2005 (UTC)

Canis Canem Edit=Dog Eat Dog?
I WOULD LIKE TO INFORM EVERYONE THAT CANIS CANEM EDIT IS NOT LATIN FOR DOG EAT DOG —Preceding unsigned comment added by 89.241.210.34 (talk • contribs)


 * from what I can tell, from attempting to use several different translators, it does mean dog eat dog. However, since you're positive it's wrong, care to provide an alternate translation with a proper source?  And please don't "shout".--Vercalos 04:50, 26 November 2006 (UTC)

It has been announced on several reputable review sites that it DOES mean Dog Eat Dog.

Umm, yeah it does mean "dog eat dog", my dad learned Latin in school and I asked him what it meant when I bought the game. FreemDeem 21:12, 10 December 2006 (UTC)

"Canis" = dog (nominative singular, the subject of the sentence.) "Canem" = dog (accusative singular, the object of the sentence.) "Edit" = third person active indicative (whew) of "edo" (eat). Basically, it means "a/the dog eats a/the dog," I think. 219.88.164.179 01:38, 22 January 2007 (UTC)

Any truth to this?
"'You can get even with bullies. You take a baseball bat and beat up their heads,' he said. 'It is going to show kids how to respond in school. Is this what we want our kids doing?' -Utah rep David Hogue "I can find no reference to this. As the article says, you'll "stand up to bullies". Rockstar has posted a picture of what I assume is such a confrontation. When they say "stand up to bullies", I'd assume this does not mean you'll murder and/or assault them with deadly weapons.
 * Gunslinger47 22:22, 26 February 2006 (UTC)
 * The representative sounds like a nutjob, because nothing Rockstar has said, or released photos depicting, even resembles the act of beating someone with a bat. The very closest anything has come is a screenshot of Jimmy kicking someone during what looks like a fight. 24.32.212.143 12:55, 1 August 2006 (UTC)

Don't believe a single word form politicians. SYSS Mouse 04:23, 2 August 2006 (UTC)


 * You can beat people up with a number of objects, though many are limited to certain special fights. The normal weapons include those hazing paddles you see in most stereotypical school movies, broken sticks, and, yes, baseball bats.  You can also use basket balls, soccer balls, frisbees, and even textbooks to throw at your fellow students.  So yes.  You can beat people in the head with a baseball bat.  I've played through the entire story;  there's no blood or deaths in the game.  In fact, the closest thing to any sort of blood is the boxing matches;  as you and your opponent get more and more beat up, you show more bruises.--Vercalos 23:47, 22 October 2006 (UTC)


 * I've played the game for a few hours and yes indeed, you can beat people with baseball bats, so David Hogue is right on that point. I only seem to have found the bats though when they have been dropped by other characters (rather than going armed with one myself) and they disintegrate after a number of hits. Unlikelyheroine 06:36, 7 November 2006 (UTC)
 * You can find them laying around too..--Vercalos 06:40, 7 November 2006 (UTC)

Attack of the Show's 8\10\06 episode
Just a few minutes ago, I finished watching Attack of the Show's Loop. They Talked with 3 other people, a game critic, a lawyer/ activist aganst Violance in video games, and a guy incharge of a video game website. They disscused about this game and other things about violant games. Should this be included in the article? --ASDFGHJKL 23:45, 10 August 2006 (UTC)

Was that the one with Jack Thompson and Adam Sessler? I don't really think it's notable.--Agent Aquamarine 18:41, 23 August 2006 (UTC)
 * That's the one. At this point in time it is not really notable, or relevant to the article, really. If, say, Jack Thompson manages to get Bully banned from sale in the US, then it may well be relevant, but until then I don't feel it is, really. --Dreaded Walrus 15:09, 1 September 2006 (UTC)
 * Agreed. Bully wasn't even the focus of the discussion, and when it came up, there was just a whole bunch of shouting.--Agent Aquamarine 00:50, 7 September 2006 (UTC)

Title Change?
I understand that Bully has now started to be referred to by the phrase Canis Canem Edit (as previously seen on the logo), but was unsure as to how to make this edit. Thought I'd chuck it in here, instead. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 84.69.219.255 (talk • contribs)
 * Yes, it has - it is also down in the article under the Name Change section, though only an admin can move the article to the new name, if it is even decided that it would be important, as supposedly this rename is only for the European market. --Dreaded Walrus 16:10, 1 September 2006 (UTC)
 * The name change now applies in Australia. Personally, I think its a stupid, STUPID mistake by Rockstar to submit CCE for review. Both games received the M rating and both received the same consumer advice. I don't know about Europe, but the title makes NO difference to the classification of a film or video game. Our M rating is also unrestricted, and can be exhibited by anybody regardless of age. The higher classification, MA15+ on the other hand is a legally restricted category, and the highest available classification for video games in Australia (although the R18+ rating only applies to films). Once Rockstar realises that the game has maintained its classification irregardless of the name change, there is a SLIGHT possibility that it will still be known as Bully in Australia, although it is EXTREMELY unlikely. Sillygostly 08:16, 11 September 2006 (UTC)
 * Hello. I follow the workings of the videogame industry very closely, and the reason why I believe Rockstar changed the name for the UK market, at least, was because the game was attracting ungodly levels of negative press. Even when the game was first announced by title only, and with one screenshot available, Keith Vaz started motioning in the Houses of Parliament to get the game banned, and even started "quoting" a list of things that were in the game, even though all that had been announced at the time was the name and a single screenshot (this one, in fact).
 * He wouldn't relent, and has been almost an English Jack Thompson since then, and has appeared on tabloidesque TV shows such as Richard & Judy as an "expert on the industry", demonising videogames, though not to the extent of Mr Thompson. Likewise, there have been petitions and anti-bullying groups all over the game, even though the majority of people who were against the game may not know much about it (as was the case with Jerry Springer: The Opera).
 * I feel the name change has almost certainly been to just start a clean sheet, as so much of the controversy over here has been based merely on the name of the game, and the notion that "videogames are for children".--Dreaded Walrus 12:16, 11 September 2006 (UTC)
 * I don't understand why the name has been changed in Australia though. The negativity towards Bully, at least on home turf was virtually nonexistent. Sillygostly 13:13, 11 September 2006 (UTC)
 * Perhaps it is being changed in all English-speaking PAL countries, so that they won't have to make multiple variations of the PAL disc? It could be that, I suppose.--Dreaded Walrus 13:33, 11 September 2006 (UTC)
 * Surely it couldn't be THAT expensive to manufacture more than one type of disc. After all, each country will have their own type of disc as for example, the T rating will be printed on the American version whereas the M rating will be printed on the Australian version. The distributors of Rockstar's games in each country are responsible for printing out the discs, so I still don't see why its necessary to change the name. Theoretically, it's more expensive to retitle the game as the OFLC charges companies who change the titles of their games or films. Sillygostly 00:04, 12 September 2006 (UTC)
 * Well, I live in Australia and I actually have the game. I don't mind much about the name. I still think of it as 'Bully', because the Official Playstation 2 Magazine Australia wrote many articles and updates on Bully as it was being produced, before the name change, and so it's just in my head with that name. Honestly, if the changed name means that more people will buy the brilliant game, I don't really care.
 * My own opinion is that either name fits the game well.--Vercalos 06:58, 11 December 2006 (UTC)

If we were to change the title, I would suggest Bully: Canis Canem Edit, seeing as how the subtitle is also on the North American packaging, as well. - Saturn Yoshi  THE VOICES 09:52, 11 December 2006 (UTC)


 * I would propose Bully (Canis Canem Edit) - Redmess 18:56, 4 February 2007 (UTC)

Reform School?
Everything I've read on the game says that Bullworth is just a boarding school, not a reform school. There is a big difference, and is especially relevent due to the controversy surrounding the game. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.111.230.45 (talk • contribs)
 * It's a reform school. Read it in this month's OPM. &rArr; Bayerischermann   [[Image:Flag_of_Poland.svg|18px|]]  -  05:00, 17 September 2006 (UTC)
 * No, it's a boarding school. Read the reviews. 154.20.135.89 21:04, 22 October 2006 (UTC)

I've read a few things stating it's a boarding school, and a few others stating it's a reform school. Opinions seem to be mixed on this.


 * Perhaps it's both? It seems that some of the students are well behaved, but most of them seem to be troublemakers one way or another, and even the headmaster makes some points about his school reforming the behavior of some of the children..--Vercalos 06:56, 11 December 2006 (UTC)


 * Bullworth seems to have a combination of private school traits. Kids in need of drastic reform (Russell, Gary, Jimmy himself), kids whos parents pay for their priveleges (the preppies), an athletics-centered private school (preferential treatment of the jocks and Burton), and just a normal boarding school for parents who don't want their kids underfoot (Petey).  Sort of like the town of Bullworth is supposed to be a microcosm representing New England, Bullworth School is to private education.  McJeff 11:12, 9 January 2007 (UTC)

Official Website Update?
When is Rockstar going to update the official Bully site!? The game comes out in less than a month. One would assume that they would attempt to finish the website to help create more buzz for the game. AbbaZabba39 08:13, 18 September 2006 (UTC)
 * To be entirely honest, I'm quite disappointed in them with regards to the Bully website. Upon viewing that page you would almost think that there is no world outside of North America. As far as I can tell that is the only official website, yet it mentions neither the release date outside of NA, nor the ratings for any such area. And this is even more worrying coming from Rockstar, a company who is famous for its online marketing strategies and viral websites.--Dreaded Walrus 18:17, 18 September 2006 (UTC)
 * Maybe Rockstar reads the Talk section for the Bully Wiki page, but they updated the official site today. The Student and Faculty Facebook thing is working now. AbbaZabba39 21:05, 18 September 2006 (UTC)
 * From what I've seen of previous Rockstar game sites, they tend to be very slow at updating them.-- &#5024;&#5090;   4  62090  23:42, 10 October 2006 (UTC)

Currently the links are messed up. The Bully-Board link works fine and takes you to that forum, however Bullworth Academy link also takes you to the board. What's the point of having two links to the same forum ?--5starsuplex 18:21, 26 September 2006 (UTC)

Vandalism?
Did someone alter the character names? Because the plot synopsis states that 'Jimmy' is the main character, yet the cast list says 'sage'. There are also names used in place of cast members that appear to be toilet humor-based. (*reads what he just wrote* wow. someone's high-minded, huh?) Secos5 13:54, 18 October 2006 (UTC)
 * Yeah it was vandalism, I'd have reverted it myself but my stupid works webfilter wouldn't let the edit button work for it for some reason. The Kinslayer 14:04, 18 October 2006 (UTC)
 * I've reverted the vandalism. Realkritik 18:00, 18 October 2006 (UTC)

Just change the Main.scm, it'll be ok
Does anybody know if Rockstar is even bothering to update their gaming engine anymore? GTA:VC, GTA:SA, Sain'ts Row, and now Bully... all seem to have the same crappy, aliased, collision-missing low-resolution low-polygon style... but with one or two new features. I honestly think they just change little parts of it, including mission scripting, and claim it's a new game.
 * Saints Row wasn't made by Rockstar. 4.152.45.145 05:05, 20 October 2006 (UTC)
 * I realize that, but it used the same engine Ahanix1989 22:56, 20 October 2006 (UTC)
 * Saints Row is a 360 game, made by a different company, and uses a different gaming engine. It's Wikipedia article states that the engine is "Rendering - Custom Physics - Havok" not "Advanced GTA San Andreas Engine (RenderWare)" 4.153.237.147 04:49, 21 October 2006 (UTC)
 * you know, thats all great about Saints Row, but I think thats been established. I personally dont know the answer but I wish someone would post it.
 * Rockstar has a different Engine, the one used in Rockstar Games Presents Table Tennis and to be used in GTA IV -Mickiscoole 11:48, 27 October 2006 (UTC)

Should this article be added to the section on moral panics?
I was just browsing that section and I just realised that this game might fit the criteria. I wasn't sure about it so I thought I should bring this up here first. Here's my argument;


 * 1) It was attacked in the tabloids before any information was released
 * 2) This has led to it falling under legal scrutiny and being banned in certain retailers - Bisected8 19:26, 21 October 2006 (UTC)

Sounds like a good canidate for moral panic to me. The way people are reacting to this game is truely absurd.


 * Ok, if one more person agrees I'll add it -Bisected8 13:41, 23 October 2006 (UTC)


 * Go ahead. Almost Anonymous 13:44, 23 October 2006 (UTC)


 * Just adding my agreement for good measure! The Kinslayer 13:46, 23 October 2006 (UTC)


 * That was quick... Almost Anonymous 14:06, 23 October 2006 (UTC)


 * What was? The Kinslayer 14:19, 23 October 2006 (UTC)


 * Agreeing. It only took five minutes for two people to answer, even though this isn't the most popular article. Almost Anonymous 15:05, 23 October 2006 (UTC)

Added it. - Bisected8 17:06, 24 October 2006 (UTC)

George Lucas reference?
Anyone else notice the George Lucas reference in the mission to get to the school observatory? Namely the 1138 for the key code to the gate?
 * [Personal attack removed.] --Chris Griswold (  ☎  ☓  ) 22:32, 25 October 2006 (UTC)
 * You can't use the keycode until Jimmy learns it in the game, so it's hardly a spoiler, or even a pertinant story detail.--Vercalos 23:43, 23 October 2006 (UTC)

African-American Vs Black
OK, we have a bit of an edit war going on with people switching between African-American and Black. Now I don't really give a damn about political correctness, and I'm not bothered either way, but we should choose one and stick to it. So which should it be, African-American or Black? The Kinslayer 15:47, 25 October 2006 (UTC)


 * Is African-American really PC? After all it assumes all black people are from Africa and currently reside as US citizens? In the UK we say "Afro-Carobean" to be PC. - Bisected8 17:55, 25 October 2006 (UTC)


 * Like I said, I'm not bothered by which one is used, just so long as it stops people switching the words around every 5 minutes! The Kinslayer 17:59, 25 October 2006 (UTC)


 * Someone could just add a note asking people not to switch? - Bisected8 21:32, 27 October 2006 (UTC)


 * Or we could just say it literally, and say 'dark skinned.' I'm not sure Africa exists in the context of this game, or that America exists in the game either.  The game resembles reality vaguely, but nothing in real life is actually mentioned within the context of the game, so I'm inclined to lean towards a phrasing that doesn't refer to national origins.--Vercalos 22:09, 27 October 2006 (UTC)
 * I'm not far enough into the game to verfiy that completely, but I have seen a cut-scene where Jimmy asks Tad (one of the Preppies) 'Are you English?' The Kinslayer 14:13, 28 October 2006 (UTC)


 * Lets just use "black" and add a note asking people not to change it nearby sections where it is used. - Bisected8 11:03, 28 October 2006 (UTC)
 * Whoops. Forgot about that.  Good point, Slayer...--Vercalos 03:07, 29 October 2006 (UTC)


 * America does exist in the game. Jimmy says the linbe 'This is America' when he and Russel have to fightthe clique Leaders. NOTORIOUSKIDCOIRE 18:20, November 17th 2006 (GMT)


 * I'd say just call it what it is: blak. Ik is the least confusing term. - Redmess 19:06, 4 February 2007 (UTC)

Mike Patton
Should it be mentioned that Mike Patton did the score for the game, possibly as trivia? BrainRotMenacer 03:54, 26 October 2006 (UTC)
 * Trivia sections should be avoided, and what that means is when you have good information like that, you should find a place for it in the article. It's not trivia; it's pertinent information. --Chris Griswold (  ☎  ☓  ) 05:03, 26 October 2006 (UTC)
 * Yeah. The THX-1138 reference would be trivia.  This is pertinant information.--Vercalos 06:03, 26 October 2006 (UTC)


 * Did Mike Patton really do the music? His names not in the credits in the manual with the other score composers. The Kinslayer 09:55, 30 October 2006 (UTC)

Release Date
The UK release date definitly seems to be th 27th (tomorrow) and NOT the 24th as is currently stated in the infobox. Some online sources are saying today (the 26th) but that's to allow them delivery time. The Kinslayer 10:27, 26 October 2006 (UTC)
 * I set the release date in the UK as the 25th following Woolworths breaking the release date and selling early. The Kinslayer 16:55, 26 October 2006 (UTC)

Plot Synopsis
is this copied straight from a press release or something? -Mickiscoole 11:51, 27 October 2006 (UTC)

Sexuality
Why is the "Sexuality" section listed under "Controversy?" There is no mention of controversy in the section. --Chris Griswold (  ☎  ☓  ) 09:22, 28 October 2006 (UTC)
 * It's probably a POV thing. I'm not entirely sure however.  The fact that the game does in fact have homosexuality in it could be viewed as controversial.  And I made the ESRB section part of the Controversy section because it more or less implicitly involves controversy..  Although we probably could get away with getting rid of the controversy section altogether and making the two sections in the controversy section their own, independant section.--Vercalos 23:02, 30 October 2006 (UTC)

Pictures
Could we get a better picture of Jimmy? You can't really see his face well in the one up right now.

[Personal attack removed.]

The current picture up of Jimmy is pretty outdated. If you look at the earliest pictures of Jimmy compared with the new ones, they made his ears stick out less, his nose a bit smaller, and generally made him less ugly. McJeff 20:41, 10 November 2006 (UTC)

"Code of the Warrior" =/= "Coney Island Warriors"
The nerd cheer from the Russel boss battle isn't "Remember the Coney Island Warriors!" It's "Remember the code of the warrior!" Also, Gary calls the arena "The Hole", not "The Pit", and either way, I don't see how it's a reference to The Warriors. I'm removing that entry from the Trivia section. --RiffRaff1138 03:42, 3 November 2006 (UTC)
 * The Warriors home turf was Coney Island...--Vercalos 04:01, 3 November 2006 (UTC)
 * You're telling me something I already know, and fail to see the relevance of in the current context. --RiffRaff1138 06:22, 3 November 2006 (UTC)
 * Given it's the Nerds that say, I would have thought that the 'code of the warrior' would be a G&G/D&D joke. The Kinslayer 17:36, 3 November 2006 (UTC)
 * Misread the statement.. Yeah.. They don't mention the Coney Island warriors, to my knowledge.--Vercalos 03:42, 4 November 2006 (UTC)

What the--
''We at wikipedia condone Child molestation, and hate for niggers. Yes, at Wikipedia we rape minors, and kill black people. We hate niggers, and we love to have sex with children. We enjoy it so much that we would like to tell you that we are responsible for 50% of child porn in the world, and of course nigger killings.''

''Vagina Hopkins: We here at Wikipedia feel that it is nessary to tell you that we hgate black people. Niggers Have infested the world, we hate black people. And cwe condone the actions of the KKK. We hate niggers.''

We hate niggers.

''Trent We hate niggers Ethan: A black bully.''

Vandalism lock please?

I know, I was WTFing that too but I didn't know how to report it

What the hell was that? Someone needs some serious therapy!!! FreemDeem 16:30, 9 November 2006 (UTC)

I'm just quting it I didn't write it. --Faraz Parsa 18:43, 26 November 2006 (UTC)

Give that guy an eternal ban, before he posts crap like that again. - Redmess 19:09, 4 February 2007 (UTC) that lame ass vandalized wikipedia BAN HIM FOR LIFE63.164.225.201 22:10, 1 June 2007 (UTC)medayugiohman

Reference to buffy?
In the halloween-task Pete wears a pink bunny suit, and in buffy season 4 Anya also wears a pink bunny suit for halloween.
 * It may be a a reference to A Christmas Story. --Chris Griswold (  ☎  ☓  ) 20:44, 6 November 2006 (UTC)


 * I very much doubt it's a reference to Buffy, as Anya's hardly a match for Petey.--Vercalos 23:19, 6 November 2006 (UTC)

It could very well be a Buffy reference but until someone comes up with more substantial evidence for it, it should remain just a theory. FreemDeem 16:31, 9 November 2006 (UTC)

Ideas on how to cleanup the article
First off: all the bulleted lists need to go. A suggest a table of some sort for the notable things. Remember: Wikipedia isn't a game guide, so it's not important to list each and every character and item/weapon in the game. Secondly, references to pop culture could be cleaned as well. Wikipedia isn't a pop culture guide. I'm sure more could be done, but those are the two main things I see that would make the article look alot neater. RobJ1981 00:32, 7 November 2006 (UTC)
 * Maybe it's just the fact that I did a whole lot of work on the character list speaking, but I don't think the character list needs to be changed, shortened, cleaned up, etc... If anything, it should be exported to a Characters of Bully/Canis Canem Edit page.  This has been done with most other videogames.  McJeff 20:44, 10 November 2006 (UTC)
 * Agreed. The bulleted lists need to be removed immediately. There's legitimate media coverage over this game (such as BBC's website), so this has the potential to be a good article, but right now it's downright awful. --Tristam 01:02, 8 November 2006 (UTC)
 * I posted on the computer and video games project talk page about the article as well. So I'm hoping that will help things out. RobJ1981 01:08, 8 November 2006 (UTC)
 * I agree. It's not just a problem with this article, all of the Grand Theft Auto articles have too many sections that read like strategy guides, too. Until then, I moved the characters page and shortened the weapons/equipment sections just to try and clean things up a bit. It'd be nice if someone could just replace all of the bulleted sections with a nice paragraph about gameplay features. I'll admit the pop culture references interest me, but again, is it really neccessary for an encyclopedia article? Pele Merengue 21:14, 12 November 2006 (UTC)

Peoples
Peter Vack and Gerry Rosenthal should have their own pages and all the characters should have their own on wikipedia
 * Wikipedia isn't the fan's guide to every little thing in Bully. There is no good reason to make articles for every character in the game. If the voice actors of Bully characters have done other notable things, then they should get articles... but one game certainly isn't enough to justify an article on Wikipedia. RobJ1981 01:05, 7 November 2006 (UTC)


 * From what I've seen on the net, Gerry Rosenthal has had a fairly noteable career. There wouldn't be anything wrong with adding an entry for him. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Skyrocket (talk • contribs)

Link
can someone please get me the link on www.rockstargames.com for merchadise 4 me kuz when i click it the page freezes? please i kno i shouldnt ask but c'mon pleas ehelp me out, ty
 * Ummmm... Here you go. - Saturn Yoshi  THE VOICES 20:58, 9 November 2006 (UTC)

Refrence to pop culture: another addition
I browsed this section and I didn't see listed that a prefect will sometimes say, "Come out to play-aayy" quote from the movie "The Warriors". Did anyone else notice this?


 * Probably added because Rockstar did the Warriors game. - Saturn  Yoshi  THE VOICES 08:15, 19 November 2006 (UTC)

Right, so shouldn't this be added to the pop culture section? It was a cool game and movie.


 * Knock yourself out... - Saturn  Yoshi  THE VOICES 21:03, 23 November 2006 (UTC)


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the . Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. No further edits should be made to this section. 

no move Part Deux 19:13, 16 December 2006 (UTC)

Requested move
Bully (video game) → Bully: Canis Canem Edit — To more accurately reflect it's name internationally Vercalos 11:18, 11 December 2006 (UTC)

Survey

 * ''Add  * Support   or   * Oppose   on a new line followed by a brief explanation, then sign your opinion using ~.


 * Support Not trying to vote twice, just stating my support here so it's more apparent.--Vercalos 11:19, 11 December 2006 (UTC)
 * Oppose because the game's name is not Bully: Canis Canem Edit. Voretus  talk  17:28, 11 December 2006 (UTC)
 * Oppose. As Voretus correctly points out, the game is named either "Bully" or "Canis Canem Edit," but never a mishmash of both. Canis Canem Edit should continue to redirect to Bully (video game). -- Docether 17:42, 11 December 2006 (UTC)
 * Stong oppose I can see what the nominator is thinking with this move but we should not be using a title the game has never been called. --70.48.109.247 02:05, 12 December 2006 (UTC)
 * Support Both names are found on the North American version of the game, so it could be taken that the second part is a subtitle. As with most subtitles, they don't always have to be said.  This would indeed give the page a more international name.  - Saturn  Yoshi  THE VOICES 07:59, 12 December 2006 (UTC)
 * Actually, though the phrase "Canis Canem Edit" is in fact on the cover of the North American version of the game, it only occurs as the motto on the Bullworth Academy's coat of arms (see the article's page for the image). Unless you hold the position that every single piece of text on a game's cover (including those which are part of decorative elements) is part of the game's title, "Canis Canem Edit" is not part of the title. -- Docether 14:51, 12 December 2006 (UTC)
 * Oppose That title is wrong. It's either of the two titles, not both, as Docether quite clearly explains above. The Kinslayer 15:54, 12 December 2006 (UTC)
 * Oppose per Voretus.  Croctotheface 10:12, 14 December 2006 (UTC)

Discussion

 * ''Add any additional comments:

Question How long should this discussion take place? 3 days? Maybe 5 days tops? I've never made one of these nominations before, and I don't want to be accused of just waiting for the result I want to end the discussion(Not that the admin would let me do that, but it could cause some ire).--Vercalos 08:02, 12 December 2006 (UTC)

Why not move the page to Bully/Canis Canem Edit instead? That way, it reflects both names, rather than getting into a long and protracted argument over which one is the correct one? --Commander Zulu 10:07, 12 December 2006 (UTC)
 * I think it would be rejected as strenuously as this suggestion has been... Particularly since there's no precedent for putting two titles together like that.  I still support my idea, but as time passes, it seems like less of a good one.--Vercalos 17:47, 12 December 2006 (UTC)
 * Actually, there is. Sega Mega Drive was once at Sega Mega Drive/Sega Genesis but was moved for various reasons. One of them being Do not use an article name that suggests a hierarchy of articles. It would be the same case here. I not sure how to link to it directly but if anyone wants to see the discussion go to the Sega Mega Drive article and look at the current talk page. --65.95.17.157 22:59, 13 December 2006 (UTC)

Should I just ask an admin to close this for us, the consensus being oppose? I rather doubt I'll be getting any more votes to support this idea, without canvassing or anything..--Vercalos 07:09, 15 December 2006 (UTC)


 * Yeah, might as well... - Saturn  Yoshi  THE VOICES 08:40, 15 December 2006 (UTC)
 * How do we do that anyway?--Vercalos 08:52, 15 December 2006 (UTC)
 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on this talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.

Add On
I think Bully should be added to the "Controversial computer and video games" section.


 * Indeed, I agree. - Redmess 19:13, 4 February 2007 (UTC)

Detailed Story
Does anyone else think that this suddenly appeared detailed story section should be removed? It's huge, crufty and poorly typed up. Frankly it's an eyesore. It goes into what I think is stupid detail. We only need an overview of the story, not a huge step-by-step walkthrough of the story complete with quotes. I'm gonna be bold and delete it if at the end of the week if no-one raises any objections. The Kinslayer 15:34, 17 January 2007 (UTC)

I've redone the synopsis for Chapter I. I haven't got enough time for every chapter, but maybe someone else will want to make this particular section a little easier on the eyes. (Anon. 21:09, 17 January 2007 (GMT +1)

I agree with The Kinslayer there doesn't need to be a walkthrough type description of what happens chapter by chapter. S_unit69 21:16, 18 January 2007 (UTC)


 * I agree with Kinslayer too.. A basic summary would be alright, but a detailed synopsis of the story, chapter by chapter is excessive, unecessary, and has few precedents within Wikipedia.--Vercalos 05:27, 19 January 2007 (UTC)
 * A small summary: but no chapter by chapter information is needed. That type of thing doesn't belong here. RobJ1981 08:54, 19 January 2007 (UTC)
 * Wish I'd seen this discussion earlier before I spent a couple hours working on cleaning the plot synopsis section up. None the less, I've neatened it up extensively.  It may be a bit long, but it's organized and less "crufty", and should be easier to edit by anyone who wants to.  If the decision is to shorten it that's fine with me.  McJeff 12:21, 11 March 2007 (UTC)
 * The plot summary is identical to the version that was previously removed, and is attracting vandalism and nonsense information adders. I think at best an extra 2 sentences per chapter is all that needs to be added to the summary in thre gameplay section. The Kinslayer 09:10, 12 March 2007 (UTC)
 * I went ahead and removed the section entirely since it's being so eagerly vandalized. We should decide what's to be in it before (if) we re-add it to the page. McJeff 17:28, 12 March 2007 (UTC)
 * Somehow when you reverted the vandalism earlier, you also reverted a bunch of other stuff, including the chapter descriptions. The detailed chapter descriptions I did can be viewed  here, but I won't try to add them back to the article without consensus.  McJeff 17:46, 12 March 2007 (UTC)
 * I fixed it as best I could, and I'd just like say nice one for getting rid of that bloody annoying endless trivia list! It was driving me crazy trying to figure out a way to acceptably dispose of it. I'm going to request a review to see where the article stands at the moment. The Kinslayer 11:26, 13 March 2007 (UTC)

Cliques and Characters
I think the Cliques subsection should be merged with the List of characters in Bully article, otherwise we'll have two consecutive links to the same article... Franck Drake 15:00, 3 March 2007 (UTC)
 * I got no objection to this. The Kinslayer 16:29, 13 March 2007 (UTC)
 * I just deleted the cliques section and added a sentence naming the cliques to the Characters section. McJeff 20:55, 13 March 2007 (UTC)

CVG Assessment
Please bear with me, as this is the first assessment I have done for CVG. I hope that it is fair and helpful.

Considerable work, including a Peer Review, has been done on the article. After reviewing the assessment scale several times, however, I have decided to keep the article as start-class, but barely.

Considerable work still must be done to improve the quality of this article.
 * Additional references are needed throughout the article, but especially in the Introduction. Was there really a planned XBox version? Prove it.
 * The page assumes that the reader has some idea of what Bully is, notably in the Gameplay section where some examples are given as to types of gameplay included but is still confusing to those readers who have not played the game before.
 * Quite a bit of copy-editing is needed, and some parts are not NPOV
 * External Links section seems to contain articles that would be better used as references

The most well written section appears to be the ESRB controversy section, as it contains an appropriate number of references and is somewhat easier to understand for someone who hasn't played the game, but still requires that the user has heard of the title to understand.

This potential for this article is present, but unfortunately I cannot upgrade its status until the article on a whole is improved. -Digiwrld1 22:54, 13 March 2007 (UTC)


 * I've added a reference to the intro citing the Xbox version getting cancelled, and a reference to the two UK companies refusing to sell it. At work rewriting the sexuality section to make it less POV.  McJeff 23:16, 19 March 2007 (UTC)


 * As a second comment, I know I remember reading an interview with the creators of Bully where they said the uproar over the inclusion of boys kissing boys was "unexpected but amusing", but I can't seem to find it. Anyone happen to know where it might be? McJeff 23:34, 19 March 2007 (UTC)

Game being banned?
Are pepole trying to get the game banned?Themasterofwiki 17:30, 19 March 2007 (UTC)

yes but its just something people wanna whine about63.164.225.201 21:01, 3 June 2007 (UTC)medayugiohman

antagonist
could we get a link to the ther origanal antagonist in bully63.166.254.137 18:16, 10 June 2007 (UTC)