Talk:Bully (video game)/Archive 3

Short plot section
No good reason has been given so I'm expanding it. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 89.243.93.138 (talk) 17:30, 7 July 2008 (UTC)


 * I'm of the opinion that "other articles have longer plot summaries" is a horribly inadequate reason to change something that was decided via consensus literally years ago. I reverted your expansion.  And in the future you should leave at least a few days to give people time to respond to a talk page discussion. McJeff (talk) 19:10, 7 July 2008 (UTC)


 * I did. And I don't see the inadequacy with that reason. I didn't see why this should be limited to six lines when other ones have around three paragraphs. I thought that I would give time for people to explain why this should be limited to such little detail, and when no reason was given, I edited it. Where's the problem? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.27.201.63 (talk) 16:52, 10 July 2008 (UTC)

Jimmy's Sexuality
Although Jimmy mainly kisses girls in the game and denies that he is sexually confused, Jimmy can make out with a boy from the Jock, Prep, Townie and Bully cliques if he gives them flowers! Should this information be put into the controversy section?--Seán Travers (talk) 00:23, 19 July 2008 (UTC)Seán Travers


 * It's mentioned a few different places in the article, but I think it should and don't know why it isn't. Jack Thompson made a fairly big deal about it and insisted that it should be enough reason to give the game an AO rating instead of 15, and whoever did the ratings said they had known about it when they picked the rating they did.  McJeff (talk) 04:44, 19 July 2008 (UTC)

Sequel speculation
Please note that the burden of proof is on those adding material. There is no source for the speculative info and it is unencylcopedic (i.e. weasely). Please stop edit warring and find a source for this info if you believe it is vital to the article. dfg (talk) 18:09, 10 August 2008 (UTC)


 * I flat disagree with every point you made. Which statements were weasely?  What was speculative?  I'm readding the section. McJeff (talk) 17:21, 20 August 2008 (UTC)


 * However, I provided a source - interview with Jeronimo Barrera, head producer of Bully. Also struckthrough unnecessarily abrasive comment made above. McJeff (talk) 17:32, 20 August 2008 (UTC)


 * Sources are good, so the info can go back in, but I'm relocating and rewording it. It's ridiculous to have a section for a nonexistant entity, and what is written in the article ("he would like to make a full sequel") is not supported by the source ("we would love to explore"). I don't care about abrasiveness, but burden of proof is policy (WP:V), so you were simply wrong. dfg (talk) 06:21, 21 August 2008 (UTC)

(Outdent) - Okay, "I disagree with moving the statement out of place as I see little reason for that" is not much of an argument. Here's mine: it is silly to have a section for something that does not exist, plus neither the producer nor the interviewer even used the word "sequel". Also, I forgot earlier to address what I was referring to by saying "weasly", and what I meant was the phrase S.E. "is considered to be..." I don't think that's necessary and if important could be rephrased as definitive—but it's not. I'm going to put it (nonexistent sequel plans) back in the lead. dfg (talk) 05:54, 22 August 2008 (UTC)

PC
This has not been formally announced and is based on a poster that an unnamed person saw and that an unnamed person from take two "confirmed" despite absolutely NO announcement on take two's website. Not at all credible. Nar Matteru (talk) 20:27, 20 August 2008 (UTC)


 * The source is given as the ESRB, which is a bit more credible. It is possible they have made a mistake, but it's more credible than the sourcing you suggest. The IGN article is also a more credible source than what you describe above. Verbal   chat  20:29, 20 August 2008 (UTC)


 * The IGN IS exactly what I describe Above. We went through the exact same thing with GTA IV and the ESRB listing, it was removed (as a official platform, not the fact that it was listed on esrb) until the formal announcement was made. I'm all for keeping the fact that it was listed on ESRB's site though. Nar Matteru (talk) 21:16, 20 August 2008 (UTC)


 * IGN won't trust on someone who say there Rockstar representative . IGN is mostly reliable for this sort of information.--SkyWalker (talk) 06:07, 21 August 2008 (UTC)


 * "mostly reliable" is pretty relative. In any event, they are probably right. Lower Employees often reveal release dates before they should at events (or as a marketing ploy to gather interest before the formal announcement) It's also true that disgruntled employees also lie. Its also true that while a PC port may already be made and ready to ship it might end up not getting released. Happens all the time. Hence the reason why companies make Announcements (and a nameless Rockstar representative whispering into an IGN workers ear (and ONLY an IGN worker's ear -- notice that all other news sources are just quoting IGN) doesn't count as an "announcement" in any definition of the term I've read) like This one or This One Everyone knows a PC port is most likely occurring, let's just try to be a little more sure of it when we put it on the worlds most read encyclopedia. Nar Matteru (talk) 04:17, 22 August 2008 (UTC)


 * See here. Ok so "Lower Class" employees lies. What about the posters?. Why would Rockstar say it is coming for PC in posters?. --SkyWalker (talk) 07:15, 22 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Gamespot Reporting --SkyWalker (talk) 07:35, 22 August 2008 (UTC)


 * Ahh word twisting already. I never said Lower Class, I said Lower. Nice Try, I'm sure this unnamed representative is really offended by being called that on a wikipedia article. None of the links you've provided have shown this poster or handout, One could easily be doctored, these people have still not been named, and there's still no Formal Announcement on Take-Twos site. Which they have always done. We knew GTA IV was coming to PC months before the official announcement due to many incidents similar to this, yet You Yourself didn't add it till the official release Announcement Nar Matteru (talk) 15:38, 22 August 2008 (UTC)


 * How can the images be doctored?. When RockStar itself is there and showing the demo of GTA 4 for PC?. How can Rockstar put up doctored image?. I don't understand that part?. They maybe some other reason why they did not add their names?. Maybe we should go to Germany and take the photo for ourself :). The reasons why i have not added other links is due to speculation and rumors and Rockstar have not said regarding it but it is different in Bully Rockstar has confirmed it. --SkyWalker (talk) 16:07, 22 August 2008 (UTC)

Time Setting
Reading that the time setting could be around 1994-1995, the idea came to my head that, what if the arcade machine could be an old one which was developed in those years? I also have thoughts about the 1999 banner, based on banners that I've seen in my school, since I haven't spotted the one in the game. I believe that Bully takes place present day, or at least the year it came out (2006). Modesta107 (talk) 21:06, 27 August 2008 (UTC)


 * The game was intentionally designed to make it impossible to pin down exactly what year it took place, that was stated in an interview. I can't find the interview (though to be honest I haven't looked hard), but dates should not be added as they would be Original Research, and probably incorrect to boot. McJeff (talk) 01:24, 19 September 2008 (UTC)

PC Version is Bugged
The PC port of this game is seriously bugged. Watch for news reports after this Sunday.--Samsung Celular Phone (talk) 22:36, 26 October 2008 (UTC)


 * Sad, I was expecting this game but seeing how this port was made by Rockstar New England formerly know has Mad Doc Software who made bad games such has Empire Earth III and Star Trek: Legacy. I lost hope in them. RockStar should have given the port job to Rockstar North.--SkyWalker (talk) 15:03, 28 October 2008 (UTC)


 * I also like how the joystick config only lets you assign each button only once. having to use joy2key to prevent awkwardness like using same foot controls to drive instead of pedal/accel button. I'd have to say this is a really really disappointing port. Nice textures, though.
 * EDIT: this might help with some of the weird stopping issues: http://www.rockstarwatch.net/news/631/Temporary-Fix-for-Bully-on-PC/ Nar Matteru (talk) 16:45, 28 October 2008 (UTC)

Why named Canis Canem Edit in the PAL Region?
Does somebody have some information why exactly it was renamed for the PAL-Relsease? And why they changed it back to Bully for the Wii-, 360- and PC-Relase? 92.50.122.103 (talk) 10:37, 31 October 2008 (UTC)


 * No idea. It is still called Scholarship Edition for PC, 360 and Wii they have not change to bully.--SkyWalker (talk) 11:48, 31 October 2008 (UTC)


 * I'm fairly sure that the name 'Bully' was deemed too inappropriate for the European market, and that Canis Canem Edit would give the product a better image. However, a) that doesn't explain why they changed back to 'Bully' for the scholarship edition, and b) I don't actually have any sources to back myself up, so this info is as good as useless :P. Talk Islander 13:51, 31 October 2008 (UTC)


 * When Bully was being released, there was a big hub-ub about the name 'Bully' from all the anti-bullying organisations in the UK (Bullying has been a consistent and deeply entrenched problem in the UK, namely because the government doesn't do a thing about it despite there being no alternatives like Catholic schools in the US and Canada if a child is being severely harassed). I believe when the scholar ship edition came out, the huge deal had blown over and the media was interested in some kids being murdered or some such, that they changed the title back because it had the brand recognition. You've got to remember that PS2s were going out when Bully was coming in, so I believe the original was essentially a non-existent game for most people and IIRC there was huge advertising for the Scholarship release. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.141.166.69 (talk • contribs)


 * whoever wrote this original answer to the question needs to apologise, the part that I have just editied out is insulting to my country and government, Bullying is not a huge problem in the UK and our government does a lot of things to stop bullying for example it actually funds anti bullying charities so I recommend that you are very careful with what you answer questions with. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Kyle25157 (talk • contribs)


 * Kyle, do not refactor other people's talk page comments. I have restored 24.141.166.69's original comment.  Mc  JEFF  (talk)  16:52, 11 September 2012 (UTC)

Qix
The Art Class minigame is based on a "golden-age" game called Qix. does anyone object to me mentioning this somewhere, and/or adding a link? WookMuff (talk) 09:10, 30 April 2009 (UTC)
 * You might need a reliable source to back up that assertion. Geoff B (talk) 09:12, 30 April 2009 (UTC)
 * This Ref is one I found in google, and then realised that it was already on the Qix page. http://reviews.cnet.com/playstation-2-games/bully-playstation-2/4505-9581_7-31394748.html

Synopsis
I've removed the synopsis section because it is overlong and (in my opinion) unsalvageably confusing, and just sort of cuts off in the middle of a sentence at the end. The prose style and character lists are hard on the eyes and unnecessarily bloat what is already a rather long article. I have pasted my deletion below in case anyone wants to try and craft it into something usable. TremorMilo (talk) 18:32, 16 July 2011 (UTC)


 * == Synopsis ==

"Welcome to Bullworth "

James "Jimmy" Hopkins is dropped off at Bullworth Academy, a boarding school in central New England. As he is dropped he is welcomed to the school by Ms. Danverse (a strict faculty advisor and school secretary). She orders him to go to the headmaster's office where headmaster (Dr. Crabblesnitch) threatens him with retribution should he fail to keep his "nose clean". As he returns from headmaster's office, Ms. Danverse demands he changes into the uniform. Right in front of the boys dorm are 5 bullies (3 in front of him Trent, Wade, Troy. 2 in back of him Ethan, Davis). Jimmy is provoked by Wade to fight him. Just as Jimmy gloats at Wade, the bullies large and strong clique leader, Russel, comes out of the dorm and punches Jimmy, their fight is broken up by faculty advisor, Mr. Hattrick. When Jimmy reaches his dorm, he meets Gary, a fellow medicated student at Bullworth. Gary and Jimmy become friends. Once Jimmy has put on the uniform, he sits down on his bed, thinking of ways his life can get any worse, when another student enters Jimmy's room; Peter Kowalski. Pete introduces himself to Jimmy and Jimmy tells Pete about his recent past. Just as he finishes up, Gary comes in and starts tormenting and harassing Pete. Jimmy, annoyed, politely asks both of them to escort themselves out of his room as Gary blames Pete for annoying Jimmy.

Mission 2 This is your school: Jimmy walks into the school building and sees Gary bullying a student, Algernon ( referred Algie ). Gary immediately stops bullying Algie and offers to show Jimmy around the school. Gary escorts Jimmy to a locker hallway when he sees Russel. Jimmy is forced to give Russel money otherwise he will be bullied mercilessly. Gary talks Jimmy into breaking into Russel's locker, where you get a Bullworth cap. That's when a prefect ( school security ), Karl Branting, runs after Gary and Jimmy hides in a trash can. Once the coast is clear, Jimmy follows Gary all the way until they see a girl, Eunice, crying because her chocolates were stolen by a boy in the east wing of the school. Jimmy offers to go get the candy back, in which the player can choose whether to beat the student up or pay him for the chocolates. Oddly, when Jimmy returns the chocolates, he kisses her, while Gary gags. Gary then brings Jimmy to the cafeteria where Gary introduces him to the 4 main cliques.

The nerds: Earnest Jones ( clique leader ),

Algernon Papadopoulos( a.k.a Algie, thought to be second in command ),

Fatty Johnson,

Melvin O'Connor,

Thad Carlson ,

Bucky Pasteur,

Corneilus Johnson,

Beatrice Trudeau ( nerd girl ),

Donald Anderson,

Clique turf: Library

The Preppies ( rich kids ) : Derby Harrinton ( clique leader ),

Bif Taylor ( lieutenant ),

Tad Spencer ( lieutenant ),

Chad Morris,

Bryce Montrose,

Gord Vendome,

Parker Oglive,

Justin Vandervelde,

Pinky ( Derby's rich girlfriend/cousin ),

Clique turf: Harrington Home

Greasers: Johnny Vincent ( clique leader ),

Norton Williams ( lieutenant ),

Larry Romano( a.k.a Peanut, lieutenant ),

Lefty Mancini,

Lucky de Luca,

Vance Medici,

Lola Lombardi ( Johnny girlfriend ),

Hal Espitio,

Ricky Pucino,

Clique turf: Auto shop

Jocks: Ted Thompson ( clique leader, king of the school ),

Damon West ( second in command ),

Juri Karmazov ,

Louis Luna,

Kasey Harris,

Bo Jackson,

Dan Wilson,

Kirby Olsen,

Mandy Wiles ( Ted's girlfriend ),

Clique Turf: Gym and football field

Once Gary is done introducing the 4 main cliques, breakfast is done. The prefect makes Jimmy and Gary go to class, where Jimmy has to do Chemistry.

Mission 3 The setup: Jimmy is talking to Dr. Crabblesnitch about how the school is filled of bullies when Dr. Crabblesnitch demands that Jimmy stops fighting. Soon as Dr. Crabblesnitch leaves, Davis comes out of the school building, claiming that Jimmy's a "suck-up" and hits Jimmy with a slingshot. Jimmy goes after Davis all the way until one of the bullies locks the auto repair shop gate door and Jimmy must fight one of the bullies. He opens the gate door when he must next fight 2 more bullies. Jimmy is now in front of Davis while is sitting on a " fort " of garbage. Jimmy must throw items on the floor at Davis until Davis falls and is knocked out. When Davis is knocked out, Jimmy steals Davis's slingshot from him.

Mission 4 The slingshot: Gary is talking to Petey in the boys dorm lounge about taking over the school when Jimmy walks in. Gary tells Jimmy about his plan then rudely insults him because Jimmy uses the word "what" a lot of times. Then Gary tells Petey that he was right about Jimmy being "dumb", causing Jimmy to get very mad at Petey. When Pete says that Gary is lying, Gary hits Petey in the private. Gary and Jimmy walk together to check out Jimmy's new slingshot. Gary first attempt is to see how far Jimmy can shoot from Jimmy himself to the bus windows. Once Jimmy completes the window shooting, him and Gary go down to the football field and slingshot the jocks ( from a tree ) during football practice.

Mission 5 Save Algie: Jimmy is inside the library when he meets Algie. Algie begs Jimmy to protect him from the bullies so that way he can go to his locker and return the books back to the library and go to the bathroom. Once Algie and Jimmy are out of the library Jimmy must beat up 3 bullies so that way Algie is not knocked out. Once Jimmy and Algie are in the school building, Jimmy must bring Algie to the upstairs bathroom. But 2 more bullies come into the bathroom and Jimmy must beat up the 2 bullies so that way Algie can pee in "peace and quiet". Once Algie is finished using the bathroom Jimmy brings Algie to his locker where Algie grabs the overdue book and hands Jimmy the cash.

Mission 6 A little Help: Gary is bullying Petey again, when Jimmy comes in the lounge. Gary keeps on insulting the both of them when Jimmy calls Gary "Boring". Gary then gets very mad at Jimmy, as his temper issues build up. Gary apologizes to the both of them and tells them about his idea of harassing someone very weak; the homeless guy behind the old school bus. Once they get to the hobo's home, the hobo tries to hot Jimmy, Gary and Petey with a brick. Gary and Pete leave the hobo's home while Jimmy stays. The hobo offers to teach Jimmy new fighting moves if Jimmy gets him a piece of his transistor. Jimmy takes the deal. Jimmy must go to the auto repair shop and climb up to the roof and therefore, you will find the transistor. Once you return the transistor, the hobo will teach you the move. The uppercut will be an "unlocked" move.

Mission 7 Defend Bucky: Gary is once again bullying Pete about how he loves the boy's swimming team and he loves the girls doing the " The Breast Stroke ", when Jimmy comes and tells Gary that he is bullying Petey again however, Gary claims that he is " toughening him up ". Algie tells Jimmy that Bucky needed parts for his project so he went to the auto shop though, he hasn't returned, thinking that the bullies may have gotten him. Algie then decides to ask Jimmy if he can save him. Jimmy decides to take the job. Jimmy must go to the auto shop second entrance where he'll find Bucky being harassed by bullies Wade and Davis. Jimmy must beat up Davis and Wade so that way Bucky can grab the parts. Right after Davis and Wade are knocked out, 2 more bullies come: Trent and Troy. Jimmy must beat up them, too. Once Trent and Troy are beaten up, Bucky can finally get his parts. Right after Bucky gets his parts, two more bullies come: Ethan and Troy. Right after Jimmy has beaten them up, the hobo will help Jimmy and Bucky open up the auto shop's second entrance. Bucky will give Jimmy the skateboard.

Mission 8 That B****: Jimmy has snook inside the girls dorm when he hears Beatrice pleading to have Mandy give her chemistry notes back. Mandy denies giving the notes back and puts it inside her gym locker. Beatrice notices Jimmy and begs Jimmy to get the notes back otherwise she will tell everyone that he spies on girls. Jimmy decides to get the notes back. If Jimmy already has stink bombs with him, then he immediately goes to the gym. If Jimmy does not have any stink bombs, then Gary will come and tell him to go get stink bombs from Fatty. Once you get the stink bombs, go to the gym. Even if you sneak in the girls locker room, Pinky will still notice you and she will tell the prefect. You must hide in the trash can and wait until the prefect leaves. Once the prefect leaves, Jimmy will break into Mandy's locker, steal the lab notes and put the stink bombs inside locker. The player has the option to see Mandy vomit from the stink bombs or return the lab notes immediately. When you do, Beatrice will kiss you.

Mission 9 The Candidate: Earnest has put in up his campaign poster when jocks Juri and Damon come. Juri shoves Earnest and calls him " nerd ". Earnest makes fun of Juri for using a classic insult when Damon threatens to punch Earnest. Juri and Damon see his campaign poster and rip his poster then Juri gives Earnest a wedgie. Jimmy passes by Earnest makes Earnest realize that he will not win with the jocks ruining his speech. Therefore, Earnest hires Jimmy to protect him from while he does his speech. Jimmy must go into the AV room and slingshot the jocks from there. If Earnest is completely humiliated, then the mission fails. A little later the mascot will come making Earnest very angry. Jimmy must slingshot the mascot multiple times to get him off the stage. Once Earnest's speech is done, the mission is completed. Jimmy will receive the super slingshot.

Mission 10 Halloween/The Big Prank: Gary ( wearing a nazi uniform ) is laying on Jimmy's bed and has provided a skeleton costume. Gary has reminded that Halloween is the opportunity to do multiple pranks. Jimmy and Gary meet up with Petey to do the pranks as they head out of the dorm. Once Jimmy has finished up all his errands, The Big Prank is unlocked. Jimmy, Gary and Petey are in front of the Harrington home when Gary tells Jimmy and Petey his idea of the " Big Prank ". Petey backs out leaving only Gary and Jimmy. Gary tries to feed Chad's pit bull, Chester, rancid meat so that he will poop it up. Unfortunately, Chad is playing with Chester and Jimmy must beat him up. Once Chester has pooped the rancid meat, Jimmy and Gary go into the school with the dog poop. Gary sets the poop down and light it on fire in front the teacher's lounge. Jimmy pulls the fire alarm. Mr. Burton is the first to get out of the lounge and his pants goes on fire. Therefore, the mission is done.

Mission 11 Character Sheets ( side mission ): Melvin is extremely mad at the bullies, after they've stolen 4 of his Grotto's and Gremlins card, leaving Melvin empty handed for the G and G club meeting. Jimmy offers to retrieve the stolen cards for Melvin. As an award, Melvin offers ten groats ( dollars ) if Jimmy returns the cards. The first character sheet Jimmy must retrieve is kept with Davis White. Jimmy must catch Davis until he is knocked out by any weapon. The next character sheet is kept by Troy and Trent behind the library. Jimmy must conquer Troy in a game in which you must kick each other in the private until one gives up. Troy first kicks Jimmy in the private and Jimmy must get up as fast as he can. Once Jimmy gets back up, Troy is terrified by how hard Jimmy will kick him in the private and hands Jimmy the character sheet. The third character sheet is behind the boy's dorm and Troy is once again bullying Bucky and will not give him the character sheet. Jimmy must beat up Troy for the character sheet. The last character sheet is at the auto repair shop and Troy ( again ) and Davis are abusing Fatty, Thad and Beatrice. Once the bullies are knocked out, Jimmy can grab the character sheet and return it to Melvin. Melvin, thankful and excited, gives Jimmy the ten bucks.

Mission 12 The Diary ( side mission ): Jimmy has found Beatrice by the second entrance of the girls dorm, crying because Mr. Hattrick has confiscated her diary and refuses to give it back to her, instead, giving it to the principal. Jimmy simply does not care about Beatrice's conflict until she mentions that the whole school will know about there "chemistry". Beatrice has gotten an idea that her and Jimmy have some undeniable chemistry upon completing "That B****". Much to Jimmy's embarrassment, he decides to retrieve the diary. Unfortunately, the school is now closed, therefore Jimmy must sneak into the school by the window on the second floor. Jimmy first checks the math classroom, which is locked. He then decides to check the teacher's lounge and recovered the diary and begins to read it: ''That Jimmy boy is so bad. Bad teeth, bad hair, bad smell, bad attitude! And yet there's about him that is just so alluring. I told Bucky about how I felt and he didn't seem happy at all. That makes me a little sad because Bucky's been such a great friend, I'd hate to think that something or someone in his life is not treating him well... Oh I knew it! I walked by him today, and he looked at me! He's such a free radical... How I'd love to pair his electrons. The thought of us making sweet organic chemistry sends shivers down my spine!'' Flabbergasted and disturbed, Jimmy retrieves the diary, with Beatrice thinking that he didn't read anything.

Mission 13 Help Gary/Russel in the Hole: Jimmy has entered the lounge only to find Gary very enthusiastic and hyperactive about something and is already hassling Jimmy about going somewhere. Jimmy tells Gary that he can't keep on getting into misfits and situations. Gary then rudely tells Jimmy that he only thinks about