Talk:Bun (hairstyle)

Odango merge
This article needs a section about the practice of wearing two buns, a la Sailor Moon or Princess Leia. The uselessly-specific article odango (hairstyle) already exists; by combining these two articles we could achieve much more complete coverage of all types of buns. The odango article would still redirect here, and there would be a redirect from the food page (dango). --Masamage ♫ 15:35, 10 April 2007 (UTC)
 * If no one has any objection, I will perform this merge by Wednesday, April 25th. --Masamage ♫ 02:52, 23 April 2007 (UTC)

Contents of old Odango (hairstyle) talk page
Is it just me, or does Aizawa Mint(Mew Mew) have a form of this hairstyle?

Picture
The picture shows only one bun on each side. How are the other two buns positioned? We could do with a better picture.... -- Smjg 14:49, 22 December 2005 (UTC)
 * There's an error in the writing; odango usually involves two buns, one on each side of the head. I'll go ahead and correct that.--Mitsukai 15:07, 22 December 2005 (UTC)

Is there no actual picture of a real woman with this type of hair? Jackpot Den 03:02, 26 February 2006 (UTC)
 * There may be, but is it a problem to have a graphical (i.e., anime) example? The hairstyle is shown as is, and it's not a massively stylized example.--み使い Mitsukai 03:59, 26 February 2006 (UTC)

surely a real picture would be better86.42.139.111 22:45, 22 September 2006 (UTC)


 * A real picture PGSM has one, just use the picture from there. --Hitsuji Kinno 07:18, 1 November 2006 (UTC)

Etymology
What is the etymology for the term odango as a hairstyle? Was Sailor Moon the earliest reference, or does the term predate it? If it did originate from Sailor Moon then the etymology may be from pigtail. The Japanese term for pigtail is Osage kami (direct translation: hair in a braid or pigtail) and the main character of Sailor Moon who wears the style is called Usagi. This suggests that the hair style may have been chosen as a pun. However, I am not going to add this to the article directly as it is currently an unsourced speculation and therfore counts as original research. Does anyone else have any information on the term's origin? Road Wizard 13:06, 10 June 2006 (UTC)
 * I believe its origin comes from the creator of Sailor Moon, Naoko Takeuchi who said that in her early days when she was having trouble with something she'd put her hair up in that style. After Sailor Moon she also often drew herself as a rabbit. She also wore them to a con once accused of cosplaying (If it was common then it wouldn't have been a problem), but she said it was New Years and also said she put her hair up into odango during tough parts of the manga. So I think the term odango would originate with her because I see no evidence it predated her. (Look up Sihnzoubon 2, I believe, Punch notes, on Alex Glover's site). I think it's a pun on the fact that Usagi pounds moichi on the moon, but also something the creator herself came up with. Note though that her version always has a tail attached to it. (a ponytail) This is most likely to mock bunny ears. I don't think it has anything to do with punning on ponytail since the term is "odango atama" which can also be a pun along of the line of "odango for brains" which is why Usagi at first got insulted by the phrase. Odango, the food tend to be light and fluffy, and full of air... (very sweet and good to... with azuki they are one of the best snacks I've had). So that's a reflection of that phrase. --Hitsuji Kinno 15:33, 31 October 2006 (UTC)
 * There's also the common phrase 団子にする (dango ni suru), "to make something into a dango shape", that predates Sailor Moon. This is the same kind of analogizing by which a bun (a small round piece of bread) also becomes a bun (a small round ball of gathered hair).  I don't think that the Usagi character or mochi-pounding have anything to do with the emergence of the term odango in reference to hairstyles.  -- Eiríkr Útlendi │ Tala við mig 17:45, 13 May 2012 (UTC)

Added Reference
The following bit: In a Christmas 2006 ad for the store Target, a young girl can be seen with an Odango hairstyle didn't originally have a reference, so I found a copy of the ad on YouTube and post it as a ref. Is this a valid source and reference, if the girl in question can be seen in the ad? --Shane Lawrence 01:23, 11 February 2007 (UTC)

real world picture.
I was looking at hair styles and clicked on this one. I saw the picture and thought how is this possible in real world. I googled it and found this picture. http://www.cosplaylab.com/spotlight/200612/200612-07.jpg I think it would be better to have a real world along with the anime.(I would do it myself but I'm new to Wiki) —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Mastersquirrel3 (talk • contribs) 02:13, 8 April 2007 (UTC).

Merge
See Talk:Dango for merge discussion. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Andrew Robertson (talk • contribs)

The current discussion is to merge with Bun (hairstyle); please discuss there. There has been no objection for over a week; I plan to do the merge on Wednesday, April 25th. --Masamage ♫ 02:53, 23 April 2007 (UTC)

Merge completed.
Since no one objected, I've merged the articles. Please continue to improve it! --Masamage ♫ 18:18, 5 May 2007 (UTC)

Chignon merge
If I am not mistaken, the chignon hairstyle is a special case of the bun hairstyle. As both articles are currently fairly short, it seems reasonable to merge them. Any objections?

AndyR 00:39, 7 May 2007 (UTC)


 * Sounds great. --Masamage ♫ 01:56, 7 May 2007 (UTC)

Same for cockernonnie. --AndyR 01:27, 8 May 2007 (UTC)


 * Oppose - both merges. --MacRusgail (talk) 23:17, 14 December 2007 (UTC)
 * Why? -Malkinann (talk) 23:34, 14 December 2007 (UTC)

Odango question
The article says that odangos are double buns, but I thought that Kousagi's hairstyle was considered odango too, though she has 4 buns. Is this an error in the text or is Kousagi's hairstyle actually called something else?

Image:Kousagi.jpg --64.180.207.196 (talk) 08:06, 2 January 2008 (UTC)


 * She has odango, but they're extremely stylized. (Kind of like how, if I wore three or four or five pigtails, you'd still call them pigtails.) The definition is slightly wrong in that an odango can be just one bun. --Masamage ♫ 08:22, 2 January 2008 (UTC)

Excuse me, but...
... I hardly think we need a list of characters from cartoons who wear a certain hairstyle. In fact, we don't need such a big section on a really insignificant hairstyle. 66.30.100.140 (talk) 21:49, 15 November 2008 (UTC)


 * Ugh, you're right. It's gotten out of control. I have gone ahead and removed the list entirely, plus some unneeded extra info and a copyrighted image. --Masamage ♫ 03:48, 16 November 2008 (UTC)

Odango Clarification
Odango is ismply the Japanese word for a bun of any type or number, including a single bun. Dango is the Japanese word for ball, and o is simply added on as an honorific. The term did not originate with sailor moon. Unfortunately, I have no references for this, other than the fact that I have been living in Japan and have learned the language. If someone could verify this it would be great. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 219.164.164.12 (talk) 05:03, 9 February 2009 (UTC)

How is this different from a Chignon (hairstyle)?
I see no appreciable difference, other than the naming of the style. If anyone knows what makes a chignon not just a bun, by all means, please add such a description to both of the articles. -- Eiríkr Útlendi │ Tala við mig 17:37, 13 May 2012 (UTC)

Man bun section
Some serious neutrality issues in this section. Stylistic issues too. As well as accuracy. Really, that section should be rewritten in its entirety. 50.24.47.48 (talk) 03:56, 4 June 2015 (UTC)

I've flagged the statement asserting practicality as the primary motivation for wearing a man bun as dubious, the New York Daily News article cited doesn't support the statement. The strongest support for the practical motivation I can find in the article is: Believe it or not, this hairstyle isn’t just about esthetics. In fact, there’s an element of practicality in the man bun. This would seem to contradict the statement not support it. --Hadodohd (talk) 17:52, 23 May 2016 (UTC)


 * I also have issues with it in terms of accuracy. The 'man bun' or topknot has been worn by the Chinese since time immemorial till the start of the Qing Dynasty when everyone was forced to wear queues (Taoist priests and certain Han culture revivalists still wear it). In fact, the Japanese samurai wore a different sort of topknot style. --Charlie Huang 【遯卋山人】 20:42, 20 September 2016 (UTC)

From what I'm aware 牛角头 is the Chinese term for the double bun hairstyle
Please correct if necessary