Talk:Bundjalung people

Concerns
The 2007 Githabul Native Title determination cut the false Bundjalung Nation in half. The map on this Wikipedia page is not Tindales map, and all research shows the Badjalang were Clarence River people. As this page states.

This information is false.

Mt Warning is not Wollumbin, the Mountain to the Northeast of Mt Warning was gazetted and mapped Mount Wollumbin in 1974.

Incompetent researchers did not consult state maps, pioneers from the Mountains, or the Elders when they wrote the false history books.

(Wollumbinmountain (talk) 09:54, 12 May 2009 (UTC))

Material cut and paste from article
* Aborigines in big land claim win, BBC News Online * Australian Tribe Gets Rights to Parks, Guardian Unlimited * Tribe on high as heartland won back - The Australian - 11 September 2007

''The Githabul Native Title claim was lodged by the Native title claimant Trevor Close in 1995. Mr Close received financial help from the Canadian Government to study law at University of Technology in Sydney Australia.''

Mr Close dedicated 15 years of his life as a volunteer to force the NSW Government to respect his Githabul Elders and to come to Woodenbong to sign a treaty with the Githabul Elders.

''In Australia a treaty is called an Indigenous Land Use Agreement and must be signed by a Federal Court Justice. In this case Justice Lisa Branson signed the Githabul Treaty at the Woodenbong Common on the 29th November 2007. The Githabul Native title claim made World news as it was the first time natives in the State of NSW had been able to prove that they still openly practiced their laws and culture.''

Githabul are not Bundjalung.


 * Given the above information .. with the referencing etc .. it would seem the Githabul people ought have page/article of their own .. and, perhaps, this article be amended to refer to this 'grouping' of peoples and dialects as an overarching language/linguistic grouping labelled (perhaps inappropriately?) Bundjalung by linguists? Bruceanthro (talk) 13:51, 12 May 2009 (UTC)

False Bundjalung Nation.
False Bundjalung Nation

Hi Bruce,

Githabul do have a page of their own! That is it. I just pasted their page into the false Bundjalung one.

Funny how their official referenced info on Wikipedia proves the false Wikipedia Bundjalung page to be the hoax that it is.

(Wollumbinmountain (talk) 14:42, 12 May 2009 (UTC))

Why is this false page still standing when I have provided conclusive information that disproves it?

Wollumbinmountain (talk) 11:23, 6 October 2009 (UTC)

False Bundjalung Nation is Fraser's Fabrication
Have found John Frasers' 1892 fabrication of Paikal-Yung in "The Aborigines of New South Wales" which researcher Norman Tindale twisted into Badjalang which then became Bundjalung.

Fraser states "The names Paikalyung (etc) I have made". This link is Frasers' 1892 book.

http://books.google.com.au/books?id=K9Ix39XVANAC&pg=PA91&lpg=PA91&dq=fraser+minyung&source=bl&ots=ADtH2GXbCo&sig=wh8tpCgV7rqcISVobP7uPyZjaRo&hl=en&ei=l8l4S6m9NInEsQOwt628Cw&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=1&ved=0CAcQ6AEwAA#v=onepage&q=&f=false

Tindale stated (paidjal = badjal = man) but did not include the crucial facts about Frasers fabrication.

There was no Bundjalung Tribe, People, Nation, Language or Dialect Chain.

This link is Tindales book.http://www.samuseum.australia.sa.com/tindaletribes/badjalang.htm

Will include this incredible information on the page soon. Or should the false Bundjalung page be removed?

Wollumbinmountain (talk) 11:25, 4 March 2010 (UTC)

Population
To add to article: how many of them are there? 173.89.236.187 (talk) 04:01, 16 June 2015 (UTC)

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Margaret Williams Weir - Margaret Williams Weir – first Indigenous Australian to enrol in University, graduated in 1959 with a Diploma in Physical Education, becoming the first Aboriginal with a university qualification. She went on to do a bachelor of education, becoming a teacher, and then a researcher after completing a Masters and finally a PhD. Dr Williams-Weir taught in Canada in the late 1960s, where she met her husband, and served for three years in the Royal Canadian Navy as a Commissioned Officer. Margaret Williams died in 2015, not long after she was recognised for her contribution to the development of Indigenous education policy by the University of Melbourne through the naming of the Dr Margaret Williams-Weir Lounge in the Melbourne Graduate School of Education, and the Dr Margaret Williams-Weir Vice-Chancellor's Fellowship, of which Noel Pearson is the inaugural recipient.Nishidani (talk) 15:20, 20 February 2018 (UTC)

Medicine
The following is free composition, not specific to Bundjalung, and unsourced. Until each part can be sourced to RS on that tribe, it remains here.

Medicine
The healing of trivial non-spiritual complaints, using herbs and other remedies, is still practiced by most Aboriginal People, although older women were usually the experts. To ensure success, plants and magic were often prescribed side-by-side.

Plants ware prepared as remedies in a number of ways. Leafy branches are often placed over a fire while the patient squats on top and inhaled the steam. Sprigs of aromatic leaves might be crushed and inhaled, inserted into the nasal septum, or prepared into a pillow on which the patient sleeps. To make an infusion, leaves or bark are crushed and soaked in water (sometimes for a very long time), which is then drunk, or washed over the body. Ointment is prepared by mixing crushed leaves with animal fat. Other external treatment includes rubbing down the patient with crushed seed paste, fruit pulp or animal oil, or dripping milky sap or a gummy solution over them. Most plant medicines are externally applied.

Medicine plants are always common plants. Aboriginal People carried no medicine kits and have remedies that grow at hand when needed. If a preferred herb is unavailable, there is usually a local substitute. Except for ointments, which were made by mixing crushed leaves with animal fat, medicines are rarely mixed. Very occasionally two plants are used together.

Aboriginal medicines are never quantified; — there are no measured doses or specific times of treatment. Since most remedies are applied externally, there is little risk of overdosing. Some medicines are known to vary in strength with the seasons. One area of Aboriginal medicine with no obvious Western parallel was baby medicine. Newborn babies are steamed or rubbed with oils to render them stronger. Often, mothers are also steamed.

A notable feature of Aboriginal medicine is the importance placed upon oil as a healing agent, an importance that passed to European colonists, and is reflected today in the continuing popularity of Australian Blue Cypress oil (Callitris intratropica), Eucalyptus oil, Emu oil, Goanna oil, Mutton Bird oil, Snake oil and Tea tree oil (Melaleuca oil).

Earth, mud, sand, and termite dirt are also taken as medicines. In many parts of Australia, wounds are dressed with dirt or ash. Arnhem Land aboriginal people eat small balls of white clay and pieces of termite mound to cure diarrhoea and stomach upsets.

Rewrite Tag Explanation
This article is a complete mess as far as I am concerned I do not know who or what this article is actually trying to describe/talk about.


 * Is this the 'Bundjalung people' as described by Tindale's map only? (
 * Is this the aggregate group of south Bandjalangic dialects that now all identify as Bundjalung? (Lower richmond and middle clarence branches)
 * Is this only the speakers of the Lower-richmond dialect (i.e. Eastern Bundjalung)?
 * Is ths article about all speakers of Yugambeh-Bundjalung languages? (i.e. the cultural bloc?)

This article seems to confuse all of the above, and does not flow well with other articles on this subject. BlackfullaLinguist (talk) 03:37, 16 November 2018 (UTC)

Merger proposal
It has been proposed to merge the article History of the Bundjalung into the article Bundjalung people. 115.42.13.190 (talk) 21:51, 10 January 2024 (UTC)
 * Comment Why?★Trekker (talk) 13:36, 11 January 2024 (UTC)
 * Oppose I cannot see any good reason why, given that the History article is fairly substantial and laid out in tabular form. However, it does need to be properly cited.
 * Reasons in support The history article is only a sub-topic on the Bundjalung people. The history article begins with a long detailed section explaining who the Bundjalung people are that is not history and unnecessarily repeats the subject of the article on the Bundjalung people but contains inconsistent definitions and content. The redundancy of the separate history article leads to such inconsistencies. The article on the Bundjalung people has a section on their history which is empty. Merging the history article into the main article on the Bundjalung people would resolve these problems. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 115.42.13.190 (talk) 22:10, 12 January 2024 (UTC)