Talk:Bunraku

Copyright violation
A large amount of copyright-infinging text had been added to the article. The article was reverted to "clean" revision (dated 21 December 2005). Conscious 09:41, 28 June 2006 (UTC)

What?!? It took out all my stuff!!! Copyright-infringment my ass!!

Images
Images of kabuki and bunraku on wikipedia are sorely lacking, as are many articles relating to such subjects; I am working, gradually, to rectify that situation as regards the articles. I have contributed to articles on one puppet troupe, a number of kabuki actors, a few plays, characters, theatres, and ukiyo-e artists, and intend to keep doing so, expanding wikipedia's coverage of such subjects piece by piece, あちこち.

But as it pertains to images, anything anyone can provide would be most helpful. Theatres do not allow photography, I would imagine, and even if they do, it's likely very difficult to get a good shot during performance; images of works of art are highly guarded by the museums and other owners of the art; images from books, often taken by professional photographers, and designed specifically to perfectly illustrate topics or subjects, which would make them *perfect* for Wikipedia, are of course tightly controlled by the copyright holders - publishers, photogrphers, authors, as well.

Again, any help anyone can offer in providing pictures of actors, sets, puppets, ukiyo-e prints, would be wonderful. Thank you. LordAmeth 16:31, 14 December 2006 (UTC)


 * Here are some suggestions for sources. Anyone can look in places like these for possibilities. I ask someone who knows more about copyright and Wikipedia policy to comment on those issues.


 * 1) Old books including the 1911 Britannica. Plates often contain drawings or photos. Libraries might have books whose copyright has expired.
 * 2) Old postcards. These can sometimes be picked up from dealers in antiques and curios.
 * 3) Screen shots. Loads of kabuki and some bunraku has been broadcast and released on various media. Limited use such as in an article on the particular disc might constitute fair use.
 * 4) Cover images. Releases on disc are accompanied by cover art. Possible fair use for these too.
 * 5) Archives. The US and other governments have archives with old photos and other images.
 * 6) Tourist performances. I've never been to a performance at Gion Corner or the other tourist venues, but perhaps they allow photography even though mainstream theaters don't.
 * 7) Charity appearances. Can't recall seeing any announcements for this sort of thing, but maybe kabuki and bunraku troupes perform at shrines or temples, the way sumo wrestlers do dohyo-iri, or the way the noh group performed at Itsukushima Shrine (see my photo at Noh).


 * Fg2 00:13, 15 December 2006 (UTC)

Living Treasures of Japan
I believe a number of bunraku masters have become Living Treasures: Yoshida Tamao, Yoshida Minosuke III, Yoshida Bunjaku, Kiritake Monjuro II, and Kiritake Kanjuro II. Yoshida Tamao is profiled in the 1980 National Geographic video Living Treasures of Japan. Badagnani 02:09, 16 September 2007 (UTC)
 * Wow. Great that we have their names. Can you incorporate this into the article? LordAmeth 15:25, 16 September 2007 (UTC)

Bunraku child in Metropolitan Opera production of Madama Butterfly
I didn't seen any mention of what this URL: http://www.playbillarts.com/news/article/5279.html is a fine example of: the no doubt voluminous coverage of the opera production, whose most brilliant innovation was replacing the problematic traditional live toddler, in the role of the title character's son, with the bunraku puppet (and the three quickly "invisible" black-clad puppeteers). My companion and i were utterly charmed, and i think the reaction was nearly universal; this opera house is not prone to gimmicks as a rule, but this did not feel, as one might expect, like a gimmick. We quickly accomplished the "willing suspension of disbelief", and held the puppeteers to a high level of verisimilitude, which they achieved to the point where i think we would have been disappointed, nay, offended, had the puppet not taken a bow along with the singers in the curtain call. I don't want to pretend that this is an important aspect of the article, but it may be an important aspect for the
 * "Bunraku" in the West

section. I had never heard of the medium before, but i now would make an effort to attend any performance of anything close to true bunraku that came to my hearing. Opera is a stylized enuf art to perhaps go unusually well with this adaptation, but the Minghella production may turn out to be a landmark in the NY and presumably the European chronology of bunraku. --Jerzy•t 08:22, 17 December 2008 (UTC)

Thousands of years?
The beginning of the article states that Bunraku puppetry was founded in 1684. It then goes on to say "Bunraku puppetry has been a traditional activity for Japanese citizens for hundreds, even thousands of years." —Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.17.157.194 (talk) 15:31, 31 July 2009 (UTC)


 * The origin of the three operator performance in 1684 may not correspond with the original puppet theater which may not have a documented beginning.Charles F Ross (talk) 14:35, 6 October 2009 (UTC)
 * this statement will necessitate a citationCharles F Ross (talk) 16:52, 21 October 2009 (UTC)

Stage Inclusion
I personally think that merging the two articles will help to strengthen both articles if references can be found for provided information.Charles F Ross (talk) 16:54, 21 October 2009 (UTC)
 * I went ahead and merged temporarily the two articles, if you would like to edit them please feel free to.Charles F Ross (talk) 16:36, 6 November 2009 (UTC)

Article Introduction
I believe that the introduction can be reworded in a way that is more linear and that better describes what Bunraku means. The fact that each puppet is controlled by 3 performers while music and chanting are provided by other performers to make a presentation might be a point that cuts more directly to presentation of Bunraku and then specifying that there are different forms of instrumentation depending on the performance and listing them altogether (including the taiko, shamisen, etc.) Contemporary art forms (Kabuki,etc) might also be mentioned to orient readers.Charles F Ross (talk) 17:03, 21 October 2009 (UTC)

Translation
In an effort to strengthen the article I translated the final paragraph of the French article into English. With some time and help I hope to be able to bring in the organization and some of the information from the other page. Feel free to comment on any inconsistencies between the two which may or may not be intentional. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Charles F Ross (talk • contribs) 22:40, 6 January 2010 (UTC)

What about "in other media"?
There are two productions I know of that are based on bunraku: Takeshi Kitano's film "Dolls", where there are scenes taken from actual bunraku performances, and bunraku-like stories of love and loss performed by life actors, and the Théatre du Soleil's (filmed) play "The Flood Drummers", where actors play puppets that are manipulated by puppeteers, accompanied by a small orchestra and recitators for the spoken parts. (search for theatre du soleil tambours on youtube for a trailer) -- megA (talk) 17:18, 4 February 2010 (UTC)

we are all from the little o town of tahoka —Preceding unsigned comment added by 216.48.210.217 (talk) 16:39, 7 April 2010 (UTC)

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