Talk:Burger King/Archive 2

Food safety
According to MSNBC, Burger King ranks #1 in its list of the worst fast food restaurants in terms of food safety. I went last night to a local branch here in Austin to check, I didn't expect to see exactly what is said in the report including, but not limited to, employees handling ready-to-eat foods with their bare hands. I don't know if this is normal here (since there were other customers and none of them complained), but having lived in Saudi Arabia for a long time, I've never seen this kind of violation there, even in Burger King itself. -- Eagleamn 20:58, 7 October 2005 (UTC)
 * Sounds like a local issue. I haven't seen such behavior in any Columbus locations.  If it were me I'd email the restaurant chain with what I saw and when. -- N okla 23:32, 24 October 2005 (UTC)
 * I can easily obtain a video and attach it to the email, as their practices are still the same. However, it is very interesting to read: "Communication with Burger King Corporation is not accepted via e-mail." Well, I think they receive too many complaints by email than their inbox size. - Eagleamn 22:00, 22 January 2006 (UTC)

ok, ill probably get shot for saying this... I work at Hungry Jacks (Aussie version of Burger King) in Perth, WA. i have to say that the most safety concious people are actually the teenagers like me who work there. all the people my age who do the same job as me (burger maker basically) wear hair nets, hats, gloves, aprons etc. however, there are health/safety violation, and youd be surprised but 99&#37; of the time it is the managers who do it. None of the managers wear hair nets or hats, and none of them wear gloves. their excuse is that they don't actually make the burgers, but do paper work, but in a rush hour if you walk into the back you can be assured that a manager will be helping the crew out by making the burgers...all the time with no hat, no hair net, and no gloves...

oh and btw, before you all stop eating HJ's or Burger king, just remember, chefs in proper restaurants NEVER wear hear nets or gloves at all....just a thought...freaky773 11:24, 16 January 2006 (UTC)

Just following on from what freaky has said having worked in Burger King before. I wish to confirm the scenario with regards to the manger never wearing hairnets etc, This is in fact the case. Probably a little incidental but for the most part Mangers should in fact be on the floor except in unusual circumstances according to the official documentation governing procedures, but who is going to tell them otherwise likewise with them wearing hairnets. With regard to handling food, when i worked there food was handled by the preparer with raw hand but there was a huge emphasis on minimal contact.

Most sanitation codes only require hair to be restrained and do not say how. BK employees' hair is covered by the baseball cap that it has its employees wear, longer hair will be tied back to add extra protection. Local health regs may require more stringent means. Go to any restaurant and you will find this to be the case.

Jerem43, Feb 2006

I work at burger King
I am 20, and I Worked as a cook for 5 years, and you know what they make us do to the sandwiches they are not cooked "over a open fire" they are put under a heatlamp, and then gas pressurerized in a chamber to give them a just off the grill appearence. So if you have any questions by al means feel free to ask me. Whopper 03:23, 4 January 2006 (UTC)
 * I work at Burger King too, they put it through a Broiler, which is pretty much the same as grilling in my eyes.--BurgerKingPirate 09:09, 14 January 2006 (UTC)
 * I work At Hungry Jack's, the Australian version of Burger King. if any of y'all from the states wants to ask any questions about the differences or how we cook/make them or even any health violations feel free to contact me k?--freaky773 11:16, 16 January 2006 (UTC)
 * - I am a manager at a Burger King and haven't the sightest clue as to what "gas pressurized chamber" you are talking about. Don't ask this guy questions...he doesn't know what he is talking about.

I can vouch for the above manager, as I work as an employee at the BK in town. We send the whoppers, burgers, and Angus down the broiler. No "gas pressurized" bs.

Paper Crowns
Maybe the Burger Kings in my area are atypical, but you can still get paper crowns. &mdash;tregoweth 00:44, Jan 18, 2005 (UTC)


 * I haven't asked for one recently, but I clearly recall getting a paper crown not too terribly long ago. I'll go to the fast food strip down the street later today and see if they have any. :-) --Cuervo 13:43, 3 Apr 2005 (UTC)
 * They still have them in OZ :-P rmccue 06:55, 1 January 2006 (UTC)

At mine we give them out, I would say that at least its customary for them to have them. --BurgerKingPirate 09:12, 14 January 2006 (UTC)

I think there should be a mention of the paper crowns in the main article,as they've been a long staple of Burger King. At most,they're still available on request.

They have crowns sitting all over the restaurant in a location over here. I took two of 'em. I still have an old 1991 version and the new one, so I may take a photo of both together for this page, if I get bored as hell. - Caleson August 25, 2006

They did two new versions when Star Wars Episode III came out. PacificBoy 23:03, 18 September 2006 (UTC)

Controversy over Israel/Palestine Burger King
I am surprised that no one thought of putting a paragraph about the controversy involving the Burger King Corporation and Rikamor, Ltd who operates a Burger King franchise in a mall in the Israeli occupied West Bank town of Maale Adumim. Apparently Rikamor, Ltd. opened this restaurant in violation of their franchise agreement. Burger King thought that Rikamor was opening a franchise within a legitimate area of the State of Israel and when they found out that it was actually in the West Bank they (Burger King) revoked Rikamor's franchise and ordered them to stop using and remove all references to Burger King when Rikamor refused Burger King sued and won unfortunately though as far as I am aware the restaurant is still being operated in violation of an Israeli court order and Burger King's trademark rights. The Arab community has started a worldwide boycott of Burger King as a result. 141.150.96.49 06:48, 29 January 2006 (UTC)


 * In 1999 a McDonald's franchise was opened (and initially approved by Burger King) in Maale Adumim, which is a settlement and therefore against Burger King policy (or the franchise agreement if above is correct). Some people noticed and protested - so the Burger King representative from Abu Dhabi returned to Israel to check out the claim and discovered that Maale Adumim was indeed a settlement - apologized and revoked the license. The restaurant reopened a short time later under a local fast food chain name.
 * The Burger King representative (coming from the regional HQ at Abu Dhabi) didn't notice the first time around that Maale Adumim was a settlement and the franchisee somehow "forgot" to tell the representative.
 * Both is perfectly understandable because a) if you are driven to Maale Adumim you wouldn't know/notice that you are in a settlement (if you are unfamiliar) because it looks just like any other neighborhood/Gated Community and b) is considered by Israel (and Israelis) to be inside the Jerusalem municipality city limits, which were expanded after the 1967 Six Day War into the West Bank with the additional area being annexed by Israel (as opposed to merely being occupied as the West bank and the Gaza Strip). I.e. Israel considers them to be inside Israel (and outside of the West Bank) but most of the international community (as well as Burger King) does not. For them it is inside the Occupied Territories. --Soylentyellow 21:40, 16 September 2006 (UTC)

Chicken Tenders
I work at Burger King and, at least at the one I work at, the chicken tenders comes in 4 and 8-pieces, with a 6-piece for kids meals. We haven't had 5-pieces for years. --64.83.194.187 01:05, 6 February 2006 (UTC)

A Secret CODE???
WTF is THIS? "Burger King is also the secret code name of a boy named Blake Kemp who is liked by a girl named Karishma. She is REALLY obsessed with him, doing things like diving for items that he touched. And yet, she does not talk to him..." Should someone remove it?24.205.171.234 21:43, 1 May 2006 (UTC)
 * someone removed it just a few minutes after i said this. WOW. thanks24.205.171.234 21:48, 1 May 2006 (UTC)

Burger King JAPAN
Is there a Burger King in Japan? I have never seen one in 2 years, and am pretty sure they don't have any restaurants in Japan


 * Other than the Army and Air Force Exchange Service (AAFES) franchised ones on the US military bases, no. &mdash; CJewell (talk to me) 07:44, 20 January 2006 (UTC)
 * Really? I'm 99% sure there are BK's in Japan. Cvene64 13:26, 16 May 2006 (UTC)

CLEAN UP
This article needs to be cleaned up. There are far too many uncapitalized proper nouns, and the grammar is deplorable. -208.47.211.5 17:46, 3 March 2006 (UTC)
 * A constructive edit is even more effective than constructive criticism. Why not improve the article yourself? PJM 18:06, 3 March 2006 (UTC)
 * Indeed, but I agree with the original poster, and have flagged this article as requiring cleanup. I'll return to do what I can, when I can.  In the meantime, here are some notes:-
 * General copy-edit required as noted by original poster.
 * The Products section is mostly very US-centric, many of those products do not exist internationally. Additionally it's full of US English idioms - please check for US English terms such as "applesauce" - this isn't too intuitive to a British English speaker and could probably do with an appropriate wikilink.
 * In many places, facts that are unrelated to the flow of the prose are inserted. A chief example would be the Steven Seagal reference in a section that otherwise reads as corporate history.  Seagal working there is trivia at best.
 * I hope that's of some help to any other editors who may choose to work on this. Cheers &mdash;  Es  tarriol  talk 14:37, 28 May 2006 (UTC)

I've been through this article and made some cosmetic changes. It seems to read largely OK now to me now, so I have removed the cleanup tag. I cannot vouch for the accuracy of much of the information, but I assume the cleanup tag is concerned with presentation, not content. Matt 13:49, 24 July 2006 (UTC).

French BK
An explanation about why BK decided to leave France would be interesting. Anyone have a clue? --84.188.183.37 12:35, 16 April 2006 (UTC)

Well I think they just gave up. France is not a good market for American Fast-Food restaurants. In most countries they just have their standard US menu and maybe some special regional hamburgers added. But have you seen a French McDonald's lately? The menu is nothing like that. Special types of "burgers" (some way out of what Americans would call a burger), many more salads, special breakfasts etc. The French just don't seem to buy hamburgers like everyone else. While McD. changed their menu and added many French-only products, Burger King did not. The changes where insufficient. So people avoided it. And instead of fighting on, BK decided to flee.

Clarifications needed

 * Kids Club. It is unclear how the the paragraph starting "In the 1970s, BK had a Kids Club..." relates to the Burger King Kids Club "launched in 1990", described earlier in the section. The chronology and continuity needs fixing. Was this an earlier Kids Club that was discontinued and then revived in 1990? Or what?
 * Hungry Jack's. The statement "More recently, Hungry Jack's has 210 locations in Australia while Burger King only has 81 locations" conflicts with the earlier "In 2003 Burger King Australia ceded to Hungry Jack's and the Burger King stores were re-badged, joining forces with Hungry Jack's to take on McDonald's Corp." When does "recently" refer to? Was the 2003 agreement rescinded?

"Two Hands" Slogan
I believe the correct slogan is "It takes two hands to handle a Whopper," not "It takes two hands to hold my Whopper." Can someone confirm this? Is this vandalism? --Lkseitz 19:05, 25 July 2006 (UTC)


 * I believe you may be correct. (It certainly made me laugh though... must be my schoolboy sense of humour!) Matt 23:07, 25 July 2006 (UTC).


 * I got impatient. A Google search revealed several references to the BK slogan as "handle a" instead of "hold my," so I went ahead and changed it. --Lkseitz 19:44, 28 July 2006 (UTC)

Matt 11:53, 24 July 2006 (UTC).

Pop Culture References
Anyone know or want to add pop culture references of Burger King? I know of two:

"Because this isn't Burger King You can't have it your way." Because Theo was questioning about the test question styles.
 * In The Cosby Show Cliff tells his son, that life isn't Burger King.


 * In the Anime Series SuperGALS a restaurant with the name "Burger Queen" can be seen.

--ShortShadow 23:27, 3 August 2006 (UTC)


 * I wouldn't call that very encyclopedic. Peyna 02:04, 4 August 2006 (UTC)

About the Honbatz
I do believe that Thisorthat is a girl after seeing "her" on a girl's bathroom sign at a Burger King. KinseyLOL 21:55, 25 July 2006 (UTC)

The only girl is Bonny

Notable employees/Trivia
The Taco Bell article has a Notable employees section that includes all kinds of past employess that went on to become famous musicians, entertainers, etc. I know Metallia guitarist Kirk Hammett worked at a Burger King to save up for his first guitar, so maybe we can gather up some famous employees of Burger King and make it a list. If we don't know of enough employees, maybe a simple Trivia section should be in order to just include some fun facts and notes. - Caleson August 25, 2006


 * Are fun facts and mindless trivia encyclopedic? This is an encyclopedia, not a compendium of useless facts. Peyna 12:48, 25 August 2006 (UTC)


 * Define "mindless." Do you honestly think someone would find the mentioning of noteable employees to be absolutely mindless or insane? Considering the many Wikipedia pages that include Trivia sections, I think most people would find it rather interesting and perfectly suitable. They provide a place for notable information that simply wouldn't fit into other sections of the article. In fact, I have yet to see anyone argue the concept of Trivia sections - well, except you. Cale 22:25, 8 September 2006 (UTC)

Steven Seagal
The statement in Company History that Steven Seagal worked at BK is irrelevant to the section. Perhaps it should be moved under trivia or facts, with citation.

Plus and Minus
Should any mention be made of the fact that at Burger King you can ask them to remove (or add) things from the Burger? As far as I'm aware they're the only major burger selling group around that does it. Night Bringer 13:36, 12 September 2006 (GMT +10)
 * Honestly, I think most fast food restaurants would take a request to modify parts of your order. But Burger King is the only major chain to promote this concept with the "Have it your way" tag line and several commercials focusing on this, so yes, it is notable. Cale 06:44, 16 September 2006 (UTC)
 * no theyre not i order plain burgers from well every burger chain around. Dappled Sage 22:55, 7 February 2007 (UTC)

breakfast
what time does burger king stop serving breakfast? 24.31.30.161 15:40, 12 September 2006 (UTC)

This is something that surely will have regional variance. Why not inquire at your local branch.


 * I dont like McDonalds way of doing it. I put my order in like 2 seconds before they stop serving breakfast and the person said" I'm sorry sir were not serving breakfast anymore order something else please". it was an odd moment as i had watched them put my food int he little heater thing. I ordered a 1/4-lb.er. i was annoyed to say the least. Dappled Sage 03:45, 7 February 2007 (UTC)

Burger Kings in the Northeast United States end breakfast at 10:30 AM.

Herb
During the 'Where's Herb?' campaign, then WVU President E. Gordon Gee was mistaken as Herb. Stranger still, Morgantown did not at the time have any Burger Kings within 20 miles. DarkAudit 03:54, 14 September 2006 (UTC)

Quad Burger
Just because it's not mentioned...anyone interested in writing anything on the quad burger? I'm not going to bother.--Mr Bucket 15:36, 9 October 2006 (UTC)

The Quad Stacker is a sandwich that is made with four hamburger-sized patties with a slice of cheese between each, topped with 8 half-slices of bacon and the Stacker sauce(ketchup mustard mayonaise and relish from what I can tell) off the top of my head, it's 1,000 calories, not sure about the other nutritional information though.

Vandalism
Someone vandalized the page separating half of the page and putting things like Yucky and Poop in the middle of the page. I say we fix this up before it gets worse if it dose I say we disable editing.Sonic34 19:15, 13 November 2006 (UTC)Sonic 34
 * The edit history makes it clear who the "someone" was. Please don't do it again, as other editors just have to follow you about and undo what you did. Same goes for your edit] to Phone. Tonywalton | Talk 19:19, 13 November 2006 (UTC)


 * This article has been subject to a lot of vandalism recently. Just a few moments ago, the entire article was replaced by a juvenile and irrelevant narrative paragraph. Perhaps if this continues, this article should be locked. Eaghassi 09:57, 5 January 2007 (UTC)
 * I agree, I have done a ton of work on it and am removing vandalism on a daily basis. It has been replaced several times with moronic attempts at humor. Jerem43 18:11, 5 January 2007 (UTC)
 * Yes, I have seen the same for far too long. I've lodged a semi-protection request. thewinchester 01:20, 5 February 2007 (UTC)
 * Semi-protection request was declined. Advice is to keep on the watchlist and revert changes accordingly. I'll still be monitoring and if it gets out of hand again i'll re-lodge the request. thewinchester 01:32, 5 February 2007 (UTC) Overturned by same admin, page now has semi-protected status. thewinchester 01:46, 5 February 2007 (UTC)
 * The article is now off semi-protection, and hopefully they'll be no further problems. thewinchester 11:15, 25 February 2007 (UTC)

Please reinstate the partial lock. There have been at least 5-6 instances of vandalism since it was removed. Jerem43 02:28, 3 March 2007 (UTC)
 * I've taken a look at the recent issues, and have re-requested protection. thewinchester 16:00, 3 March 2007 (UTC)

Who removed the protection again? The fools are massing again and defacing this page. Can we please just leave it locked? Jerem43 14:57, 5 April 2007 (UTC)
 * The last semi-protection was granted for 30 days only. I now concur that the levels of vandalism now warrant re-visting WP:RFPP, and I have just opened a case there on the matter. Thewinchester (talk) 05:53, 16 April 2007 (UTC)

HJ/BK in Australia
Remove the statement "All Australian outlets are now under the Hungry Jack's name." This may have been the case for a long time, but sadly, Burger King branded outlets have started appearing in recent years. There are several in Melbourne's CBD alone. (Unsigned comment, undated, moved into relevant section - thewinchester 13:06, 27 December 2006 (UTC))

The naming of franchises in Australia has been mentioned in the article. Does anyone else think it would be worthwhile mentioning details as to what areas were labelled with which name, and when they changed? That is, if we can source the info? -- Chuq 02:18, 15 November 2005 (UTC)
 * Most shops in Australia were Hungry Jacks until recently. How recently? Wouldn't know. I haven't seen any that have changed unless they've been renovated which isn't many in my area, except for new shops. I think some were actually changed back to HJ. Can anyone else confirm this? In my area (Gold Coast, QLD,Australia) they are all HJs. rmccue 06:51, 1 January 2006 (UTC)

I'm in Melbourne and i'm farely certain all the Burger Kings that suddenly appeared have since been reverted to Hungary Jack's. I remember hearing somewhere that they'd baught them out, also the adds for Burger King have completely dissapeared.

Most burger kings in Australia were bought by hungry jacks about 2 years ago. The burger kings only lasted about 2 years. In sydney all of them are hungry jacks now....

Have significantly rewritten this section of the article adding approrpiate legal case citations and other relevant material. Will continue to watch and improve this section. thewinchester 13:06, 27 December 2006 (UTC)

Not all Burger Kings are Hungry Jacks in Sydney, actually. I have seen at least one, located in South-East Sydney, near Sylvania/ Miranda. 143.238.255.95 11:00, 16 July 2007 (UTC)