Talk:Burger King/Archive 4

List of Countries/World Map
The list of countries and the world map are out of sync. I noticed Guyana is in the list but not coloured on the map. Also, there is no legend. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.234.157.202 (talk) 19:19, 1 January 2008 (UTC)

Kazakhstan might be added by mistake. There is a chain called "King Burger" in Kazakhstan, sharing original BK logo but serving different products of questionable quality. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.200.129.168 (talk) 12:34, 16 April 2008 (UTC)

Burger King in Australia
In the Hungry Jacks section it is stated: "No Australian restaurants now operate under the Burger King name."

This is incorrect. Several stores in New South Wales, Australia operate under the Burger King name as can be seen here. Ampedup (talk) 04:17, 11 January 2008 (UTC)

Recent Vandalism
There has been a lot of vandalism lately, perhaps we should lock the page to unregistered users using Template:Pp-semi-template? - Ampedup (talk) 00:14, 18 January 2008 (UTC)

Good idea. This is an article about a wealthy corporation that is an American cultural icon-- and it sells red meat globally, yet. What a tempting target. As a San Francisco professor, I am amazed that as yet it hasn't attracted massive attacks by "animal rights" activists, anti-globalizers, radical nutritionists, ad infinitum. Profhum (talk) 02:38, 23 January 2008 (UTC)

Strongly Agree As far as I've seen, the vandalism has been picking up lately - We better semi-protect it before PETA gets here. Crad0010 (talk) 17:00, 20 February 2008 (UTC)

Permanent semi-protection was granted on 29 February 2008 per my request. --- Jeremy (talk) 18:47, 3 March 2008 (UTC)

Vandalized again And i do not know how to change it. Help please. Thanks GMoonit (talk) 21:16, 29 June 2008 (UTC)

Peer review
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 * made minor change, Burger King logo to company logo--- Jeremy (talk) 18:57, 3 March 2008 (UTC)


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Location disputed.
Uhh the BK headquarters are NOT in Fountainbleu. It's in unincorporated dade just south of the airport. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.169.1.134 (talk) 21:11, 10 June 2008 (UTC)

lawsuits paragraph
Does that really belong in the lead? Do we lead off other articles with the subject's litigation history? Lambertman (talk) 13:34, 3 August 2008 (UTC)


 * According o WP:Lead, The lead serves both as an introduction to the article below and as a short, independent summary of the important aspects of the article's topic. Since the legal matters are a large part of the history of the company and have set several legal precedents in the US and abroad, this paragraph's inclusion is appropriate. I am biased though, as I wrote most of the article. --Jeremy ( Blah blah... ) 18:23, 3 August 2008 (UTC)

Deleted references
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--Jeremy ( Blah blah... ) 21:35, 3 August 2008 (UTC)

Regarding the country/location listings, apparently someone threw in "Confederate States" in the J section. If you're going to list a country that has never officially existed at least make the fraudulent claim harder to find by at least putting it in the right alphabetical order. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Fire398017 (talk • contribs) 21:43, 18 August 2008 (UTC)

Arab league
The article mentions that the Arab league threatened to revoke the BK business license in Islamic countries. How would the Arab league have this right? Surely, they would only be able to do it in Arab countries (members of the Arab league) and not in Islamic countries (Pakistan, Bangladesh, Indonesia, Malaysia etc are not Arab countries or members of the Arab league)Inf fg (talk) 16:19, 12 September 2008 (UTC)


 * The group threatened to block the company's business licenses en masse across the Islamic countries that were members of the Arab League. This refers to countries that use Islamic law as the basis of civil law, not those countries that have large or majority Muslim populations. --Jeremy ( Blah blah... ) 19:31, 12 September 2008 (UTC)

Industry Innovations
The statement that Burger King was first to provide air conditioned dining area in the early 1970s is not accurate. I have no prove of this fact; but I have personal recollection of eating in a Burger King dining room in the late sixties in the Chicago area with my family.

SomedayMaybe (talk) 21:45, 20 September 2008 (UTC)

Here is a link to an image of a 1966 advertisement that describes weather-controlled indoor dining comfort as a feature of Burger King restaurants.

SomedayMaybe (talk) 22:19, 20 September 2008 (UTC)


 * The information is derived from Burger King itself. Please see the cited source. What link?--Jeremy ( Blah blah... ) 01:50, 21 September 2008 (UTC)

Here is the link http://pzrservices.typepad.com/vintageadvertising/2008/08/1966-ad-for-bur.html

The source as I see it is Food Network. How is that from Burger King itself? Regardless of the source, it is wrong.

—Preceding unsigned comment added by SomedayMaybe (talk • contribs) 13:14, 21 September 2008 (UTC)


 * The source contains an interview with Burger King's corporate historian as a part of a history on the rivalry between BK and McDonald's. I would personally believe a BK corporate staff member who is knowledgeable about how the company grew over your personal recollection, sorry. If it was in Illinois you ate at, perhaps you were at a different Burger King? --Jeremy ( Blah blah... ) 16:06, 21 September 2008 (UTC)

It was not in Mattoon and it was not a different Burger King. My personal recollection aside, did you look at the image of the ad from 1966? The ad is irrefutable proof. The Burger King logo in the ad was no longer used after 1968. I dispute your source.

SomedayMaybe (talk) 00:35, 22 September 2008 (UTC)


 * Besides the author's assertion of date, what puts the ad at 1966? There is no confirming date that establishes the ad as from that year, and since it is a blog it violates WP:RS. The TV show conforms to it, per the guidelines in the same policy. --Jeremy ( Blah blah... ) 00:41, 22 September 2008 (UTC)

You're right nothing in the ad confirms that it is is from 1966. However, the logo in the ad wasn't used after 1968. Therefore the disputed statement is still incorrect. The source is not a blog--the source is the advertisement as it appeared in the June 17, 1966 issue of Life magazine.

I'm not sure why, in the face of irrefutable proof, you continue to maintain the accuracy of the statement. The statement should be removed or marked as disputed.

SomedayMaybe (talk) 20:48, 22 September 2008 (UTC)


 * It isn't me arguing you're wrong, it me arguing that you have yet to prove it per the standards of WP:OR and WP:RS. What you have is a case of synthesis, and while it is a logical deduction of fact, it still needs to be backed up by solid sources that won't be challenged if this article were to be nominated for FA status. --Jeremy ( Blah blah... ) 22:49, 22 September 2008 (UTC)

Well what do I need to do--hand deliver a copy of the June 17, 1966 Life Magazine? Isn't that advertisement the sort of proof you're talking about? It appeared in a national magazine and listed every Burger King in the country at the time.

I'll try this from a different approach. McDonalds stand-alone restaurant design which is still most common today, with mansard roof and indoor seating was first introduced in 1967. Source: http://www.nationmaster.com/encyclopedia/McDonald's-Corporation Therefore the statement as it appears is still incorrect. SomedayMaybe (talk) 00:55, 23 September 2008 (UTC)


 * What volume? What month? What page number? Those will prove your contention w/o a doubt, as stated above. --Jeremy ( Blah blah... ) 02:49, 23 September 2008 (UTC)

You say that my source "still needs to be backed up by solid sources that won't be challenged". How is the proof for your source any better? All we have is the name of a program that apparently aired on the Food Network. Who is this corporate historian? What is the exact quote? How many minutes into the program is the statement made?

This seems to be a project that you've taken a great deal of interest in. I would think you would place accuracy first. The magazine ad is tangible proof that the entry is inaccurate. You said yourself that it is a logical deduction of fact. The McDonalds information is also proof that the entry is inaccurate. I've given two sources that refute the accuracy of the entry. I believe the burden of proof is now on the entry as it stands.

SomedayMaybe (talk) 03:40, 23 September 2008 (UTC)


 * Russ Klein – President of Global Marketing, Strategy and Innovation, Burger King aboiut 17 minutes into the show. Tag you're it. --Jeremy ( Blah blah... ) 05:13, 23 September 2008 (UTC)

Here is a third source. this well sourced article does not give a specific date for the introduction of Burger King dining rooms. It suggests that they were introduced in the late fifties but definitely before the sale to Pillsbury in 1967. "McLamore and Edgerton tried to give their Burger King restaurants a special edge. Burger King became the first chain to offer dining rooms (albeit uncomfortable plastic ones)." http://www.fundinguniverse.com/company-histories/Burger-King-Corporation-Company-History.html 75.4.159.197 (talk) 15:28, 23 September 2008 (UTC)

Sneak King video game
I was puzzled to read through this article and find no mention of the hugely successful "Sneak King" video game, despite it being one of the top-selling Xbox games of last year, and one of the breakthrough "advergames," as noted at the 2008 Google Zeitgeist conference -- see this video for more, starting at 11:10:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DS0F8ThF2Lk

68.174.101.64 (talk) 05:13, 4 October 2008 (UTC)


 * Try Burger King advertising and The Burger King. --Jeremy ( Blah blah... ) 07:49, 4 October 2008 (UTC)

So just to ask again: You do not view the video game as a significant advertising campaign that BK used to increase its popularity among member of a whole new generation? The sheer number of copies that were sold, and the fact that it was an entirely new, groundbreaking means of promotion is something I think that merits inclusion in this article, given that the "Advertsing" subsection discusses CP+B's Burger King in tight detail. You do not think there should be st least one sentence about the "Sneak King" video game and its success (with a link to that YouTube Zeitgeist '08 video) in the article?

68.174.101.64 (talk) 23:47, 4 October 2008 (UTC)


 * This is an article in summary style, the sections included in this article are basic summaries of the main article on the subject. That is why there are no specifics given in the particular article. --Jeremy ( Blah blah... ) 06:54, 5 October 2008 (UTC)

BK in Czech republic
Burger King opens it's first restaurant in Prague, Czech republic (in shopping center Metropole Zličín) today (2008-11-25). Could anyone please edit the SVG map? I don't know how to do that... Thank you miki (talk) 09:40, 25 November 2008 (UTC)
 * Hmmm... I don't think so. -- MISTER ALCOHOL  TC 14:45, 6 December 2008 (UTC)

Flame
This sounds too bizarre but can anyone point me to the article on this scent this chain has released? Simply south not SS, sorry 11:49, 22 December 2008 (UTC)

Burger King advertising --Jeremy ( Blah blah... ) 15:24, 22 December 2008 (UTC)