Talk:Burger King products/Archive 1

Have It Your Way
I saw you took out my article about the demise of Have it Your Way. I didn't understand your comment "Advertising information is wrong article)". Can you please elaborate? Stevenworr 20:34, 24 April 2007 (UTC)


 * That is advertising related and belongs in the Burger King Advertising article. The "Advertising information is wrong article" comment should have read "Advertising information is in the wrong article" a typo on my part.


 * Jerem43 12:01, 25 April 2007 (UTC)

Is the transition using the queues tagged as Have it our way not useful? It wasn't really advertising, so much as a mode of operation to migrate away from cooking the burgers on the spot to the style where it all got cooked in advance. Stevenworr 14:56, 25 April 2007 (UTC)


 * It is sort of mixed in its settings...


 * The Have It Your Way jingle is advertising, while the preparation method is historical to the preparation. BK is going towards (back to) a no hold method of preparation, but they are still developing the equipment- probably 2-3 years until they get the cooking equipment ready. The problem is volume, the old methods were not sufficient for a modern QSR and they deployed the holding methods used today. The holding methods have changed quite a bit in the last 25 years, buns are always fresh toasted today verses being held in a steam table.


 * Actually, you will find that BK was using holding methods in the way back days, in the aforementioned steam tables. Also, the microwaves that they use replaced steam injected warmers. (That is from some old timers I have worked with over the years).


 * I guess it is subjective, I see the Have It Your Way reference as advertising, the cooking and selling methods is a historical to the menu. The edit I made was in regards to the secondary information in the entry, i.e. the inclusion of the lyrics.


 * Jerem43 15:14, 25 April 2007 (UTC)


 * Also, is there any citation of this? I personally never heard of that, but I started working there in 1983- 10 years later.
 * Jerem43 15:21, 25 April 2007 (UTC)

Fair use rationale for Image:Burger King Logo.svg
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Rodeo Burger
The Rodeo Burger was originally a promotion for Wild Wild West (the movie with Will Smith), not Small Soldiers. It's not a huge detail in the scheme of things, but thought that whoever edits this page would find that useful.

I was pushed to say men in black as I recalled it being use for that before small soldier However I remember the name holding a factual origin at some point. I hold your assertion to be true.

The Rodeo Burger was introduced in 1998 if that helps...

Whopper down-sizing
I encountered my first whopper in 1967. It was roughly the size of a 45 rpm record (6-7 inches in diameter). Sometime after 1972, it was down-sized to its present dimensions.

I remember a commercial featuring Lyle Alzado, who (after eating one whopper) asks, "Might I have another?" I remember the commercial primarily because I would yell at the TV: "You wouldn't be able to eat another one, if they hadn't shrunk it!"

The Lyle Alzado spot was replaced with one featuring Gary Coleman, apparently in an attempt to make the whopper look as large as it used to be.

Exactly when and why was the whopper reduced? You may consider this trivia, but I know of at least one customer (me) who doesn't go to Burger King very often as a result.

—Preceding unsigned comment added by 167.197.117.132 (talk) 19:52, 13 September 2007 (UTC)

It has always been a quarter pound burger on a 5 inch roll except when it was upgraded to a 5 ounce burger in the late 1980's. Methinks you are mistaken.

Also, It wasn't Gary Coleman but Emmanuel Lewis in those ads

Jerem43 21:28, 13 September 2007 (UTC)

Cini-minis
I havent seen any lately. Do they still make them? Joerite 10:27, 1 November 2007 (UTC)


 * Yes. - Jeremy (Jerem43 15:55, 1 November 2007 (UTC))

Acrylamide in deep fried food
This article doesn't contain anything regarding the presence of Acrylamyde, a carcinogen, in deep fried foods served at burger king. Donkeypoodle (talk) 01:30, 8 May 2008 (UTC)


 * There is nothing to that, it was a rumor based upon faulty research. To quote cnn: Now a new study, a 20- year study looking at over 100,000 women, following them along, found no increased likelihood of developing breast cancer based on higher dietary intakes of acrylamyde. Furthermore, it was found that the amount of acrylamide required to cause cancer in an average 150 lb adult would require the consumption of the equivalent of 486 large servings of fries — weighing out at 182 lb — every day for life to get the same amount of acrylamide that was fed to the rats in the study that lead to the CSPI outcry and lawsuit over the issue.--Jeremy ( Blah blah... ) 01:58, 8 May 2008 (UTC)

Cleanup for normal readers
This article assumes way too much insider fast food knowledge on the part of the reader. I added a wikilink for QSR (ask ten random people on the street and I promise none of them will know what a QSR is) and moved the LTO definition, but there's still much to be done. 66.93.12.46 (talk) 00:43, 29 June 2008 (UTC)
 * I removed the acronym and replaced it with the term fast food. --Jeremy ( Blah blah... ) 04:43, 29 June 2008 (UTC)

A list of AU products are here
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Scoreed/in_Progress/Hungry_Jacks_Products

Scoreed (talk) 13:29, 4 August 2008 (UTC):


 * Again, the product mix is hardly unique. Almost identical to the BK menu. --Jeremy ( Blah blah... ) 20:21, 4 August 2008 (UTC)

Bot report : Found duplicate references !
In the last revision I edited, I found duplicate named references, i.e. references sharing the same name, but not having the same content. Please check them, as I am not able to fix them automatically :) DumZiBoT (talk) 21:29, 12 August 2008 (UTC)
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All fixed. --Jeremy ( Blah blah... ) 21:57, 12 August 2008 (UTC)

Icon usage
An editor, ESkog, has recently deleted the pictures of the icons used by Burger King on its sandwiches under the aegis of WP:NFCC.

The standards of WP:NFCC that he is refering to are as follows:
 * 3a. Minimal usage. Multiple items of non-free content are not used if one item can convey equivalent significant information.
 * 3b. Minimal extent of use. An entire work is not used if a portion will suffice. Low- rather than high-resolution/fidelity/bit rate is used (especially where the original could be used for deliberate copyright infringement).  This rule also applies to the copy in the Image: namespace.

I have restored them because I feel that the usage here does in fact meet these standards and here is why:

3a.: Minimal usage: These individual icons are present on multiple packaging used by the company. By only showing the individual icons as opposed to each package keeps the usage to a minimum. In other words I am not presenting the same icon over and over as I would if I displayed each label for each product the company sells. 3b.: Minimal extent of use These images are just a portion of the individual package instead of the whole work.

The images are being used per the WP:NFC policy, specifically to provide a representative visual reference for other elements in the article, in this case Burger King's marking system for its products. This is pertinent to the article because of BK's motto Have it you way, which the image specifically relate to. While the usage of non-free images in galleries is generally unacceptable, in this case the presentation is not a gallery in the typical sense but a grid outlining the various product tags used by Burger King in line with the content of the article.

It is my personal belief that these images in fact do meet all ten standards for usage and removal them of them by ESkog is inappropriate.

--Jeremy ( Blah blah... ) 01:48, 1 January 2009 (UTC)
 * I have removed them again. Using non-free material as illustration in a table like this is a clear case of fair use overuse, and they're inclusion is not even particularly encyclopedic. You cannot justify illustrating around 25 (or however many there are) short phrases or individual words with a non-free image each. [[User:J Milburn|J Milburn (talk) 13:17, 1 January 2009 (UTC)


 * Why not use a photo of an example product design in situ? It could show the idea of using icon on their products without being a "guide" to the BK icons, in the context which they are normally found, on the product. But I also think that for us to include such an image, we would need stronger article text to accompany such an image. Let me ask, why are the icons notable? Do we have any independent, 3rd party, reliable sources which discuss this iconography? If so, then we can use that commentary as a source to explain why these icons are notable enough to be discussed here at wikipedia. If we are simply going to BK and scanning the icons off labels buy, and uploading them here, I don't see how that isn't original research. We need to establish why such coverage is notable and encyclopedic through our sources. If the media has no coverage of this iconography, then it is inappropriate for us to publish that information (let alone a full on guide) here on wikipedia for the first time (violates no original research). I hope this helps.-Andrew c [talk] 14:38, 1 January 2009 (UTC)

Icon Usage 2
...is in no way unique to BK, I've been to two other fast food outlets today alone and each use their own iconography. The iconography information has no encyclopedic merit and is of little to no interest to anyone other than a new burger flipper. If, as discussed above, there was an image of said icons in situ that would possibly be an acceptable compromise. However, given that there are so far two editors for removal, one sitting on the fence and a fourth (the creator) against I would suggest leaving as is for now or finding said image, whatever happens it would appear that consensus thus far (which admittedly may change) is to not include this information, and until this does change the information should be left out. You've done a good job since you've created this article but should remember Ownership of articles. RaseaC (talk) 14:52, 8 August 2009 (UTC)


 * This has been part of the article since it was created. None of the major fast food companies employ this system: McDonald's (#1) uses a paper slip taped to the package and Wendy's (#3) doesn't even mark them. Dairy Queen does not utilize any system nor does Roy Rogers. I cannot say for for Carl's Jr. (#4) or the regional brands.


 * In regards to the previous discussions which you are referencing, that conversation was about the actual images that are printed on the sandwich packages that I had scanned into the computer. They were talking about how using every image from the packaging was in violation of the fair use guidelines and said images were eventually removed from WP; as you can see they left the other information you are deleting was left in place. Why it is included is this: Burger King uses these symbols and markings in its advertisements, on its web pages (though the American page was recently redesigned and no longer has it on the bottom of the page, when you go to the nutrition section of the US page you can modify the products by clicking on these icons. All of its international pages have the images located on the bottom of the page. You can even click on them to mark the page) and on its uniforms (go to a BK and look at the employee's hats). So, even if other company's have some type of marking systems for their products, do they actually go so far in promoting them?


 * As it stands now, your continued removal of the information is in violation of several policies, primarily the 3 revert rule. According to policy, after I had contested your removal of the information you should have stopped removing it and begun a discussion on the inclusion/removal here. Instead of doing this, you kept deleting it even after my request that you stop and begin a discussion. As I stated, you are now in violation of the the 3R rule. I am going to ask that you please restore your last deletion per the guidelines and leave it until such time that consensus decides that it is improper to include and it should be removed. --Jeremy (blah blah • I did it!) 19:24, 8 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Firstly I will have to graciosuly decline your request to re-instate the content. Please re-read the information in the previosu discussion, both editors cast doubt on the encyclopedic merit of this information, as have I and therefore there is a consesus that this information is not encyclopedic. The fact that this information has been in the article since you created it is irrelevant, and simply goes to show that we have finally gotten around to removing it. All of the fast food restaurants you list, and all others, do employ such a system, they simply don't draw pictures, that's the only difference and that is not notable (as a matter of interest Starbucks do use their own coding and arguably publicise that fact more, but the information is not included on their WP page). The fact that some third party web-design company put a picture of some food on BK's website is irrelevant, I can't be bothered to do too much research, I really am not that interested, but a quick look at the UK website shows that the only reason the icons are there is because the background is supposed to be BK packaging, and has copyright blurb/disposal icons too, so don't put too much weight on that argument. I think I have sufficiently addressed each of your concerns and therefore would suggest that the article remains as it is until such a time that there is a consensus to the opposite. Regards, RaseaC (talk) 19:40, 8 August 2009 (UTC)


 * I've opened an ANI request on the issue. --Jeremy (blah blah • I did it!) 20:23, 8 August 2009 (UTC)


 * I agree with RaseaC, this is non-notable information that shouldn't be included in the article. A good article select the relevant information to include, and what is a code for a sandwich cut in half isn't one of them. See the 7th item of WP:NOTDIRECTORY for more details. If it is still not clear, I can elaborate. Headbomb {{{sup|ταλκ}}κοντριβς – WP Physics} 19:19, 9 August 2009 (UTC)

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