Talk:Burger King products/Archive 2

Ruhrfisch comments
Ruhrfisch comments: As requested, here are some suggestions for improvement from a second look. I will make my comments with an eye towards WP:GAN. This looks much better, but still needs a bit of polish in places.

Hope this helps. If my comments are useful, please consider peer reviewing an article, especially one at Peer review/backlog. I do not watch peer reviews or this page, so if you have questions or comments, please contact me on my talk page. Yours, Ruhrfisch &gt;&lt;&gt; &deg; &deg; 16:24, 10 November 2009 (UTC)
 * Odd sentence in lead - the Whopper is beef based, but this makes it sound like it is not. Beginning with the Whopper sandwich in 1957, BK has expanded the breadth of its menu by adding such non-beef items as chicken, fish and vegetarian offerings including salads and meatless sandwiches; a breakfast menu; and non-soft drink beverages such as Icees, juices and bottled waters. Perhaps something like this In 1957, BK began expanding the breadth of its menu with the Whopper sandwich, and has added such non-beef items as chicken, fish and vegetarian offerings including salads and meatless sandwiches since. Other changes include a breakfast menu and non-soft drink beverages such as Icees, juices and bottled waters. would read better
 * There are still some places without refs. For example just in the History section, these two need refs:
 * The sandwich became famous enough that BK eventually adopted the motto "Home of the Whopper." (direct quote) Please also see WP:MOSQUOTE - it should be ... adopted the motto "Home of the Whopper". (logical quotation)
 * This expansion introduced BK's A.M. Express product line which included French toast sticks and Mini-muffins. It was at this time that BK also introduced its chicken snack food, BK Chicken Tenders as well as its sibling product Fish Tenders.
 * My rule of thumb is that every quote, every statistic, every extraordinary claim and every paragraph needs a ref. If something has no refs at the end, add them (I assume refs cover all previous sentences in that paragraph to the previous ref)
 * Avoid time terms that can become outdate by using time specific phrases instead These new french fries are still in use.[7] could be These new french fries are still in use as of 2009.[7] or fix things like Currently in the United States the salads are pre-made off site and sold with just two toppings and Ken's Foods Ken's Steakhouse brand salad dressing.
 * Watch WP:OVERLINKing - for example halal is linked twice in two paragraphs. Also try to make sure the first use of a term is the one linked, so Wendy's is linked only twice (once in the lead, once in the text), but the second link is not the first use in the body of the article
 * Not really a requirement for GA, but the prose could be tightened in several places, like the halal example. Is there any reason the first sentence could not be struck and the two paragraphs combined: International variations add ingredients such as teriyaki or beetroot and fried egg to the Whopper in Australia,[16] [and] beer in Germany, Italy and Spain, and halal or kosher products in the middle East and Israel .[17][18] In countries with predominantly Islamic populations, such as Saudi Arabia, pork is not served due to Muslim dietary laws. Additionally, in Muslim countries meat is slaughtered in the halal method and labeled as such.[17][19] Similar adaptations also occur in Israel where kosher dietary laws forbid the mixture of meat and dairy products; because of this, cheeseburgers are not popular. Many BK's in Israel are fully kosher.[18]
 * The article is fairly list-y, especially towards the end. Not sure if this would be an issue at GAN or not (would be at FAC).
 * I have been slowly de-listing the thing, it is a slow and arduous task. --Jeremy (blah blah • I did it!) 06:05, 11 November 2009 (UTC)
 * I would also look at short (one or two sentence) paragraphs and see if these can be combined with others or perhaps expanded to improve flow.

Thanks for the look through, I am slowly cleaning it up. --Jeremy (blah blah • I did it!) 06:05, 11 November 2009 (UTC)

More Ruhrfisch comments
Sorry to have forgotten about looking at this again. Here are some more comments, most fairly picky. I tend to review more with WP:FAC in mind, so some of these might not even be an issue at WP:GAN.
 * Lead
 * I still have problems with this sentence since the Whopper is a hamburger: Beginning with the Whopper sandwich in 1957, BK has expanded the breadth of its menu from hamburgers to non-beef items such as chicken, fish and vegetarian offerings including salads and meatless sandwiches. Perhaps something like this works better? BK began expanding the breadth of its menu by adding the Whopper sandwich in 1957, and has since added non-beef items such as chicken, fish and vegetarian offerings including salads and meatless sandwiches. (the previous sentence already said they originally offered hamburgers)
 * Combine these two sentences? 1978 saw the introduction of an expanded menu featuring the introduction of the company's "Specialty Sandwich" product line. and It was at this time that the company also added a breakfast menu. to something like 1978 saw the introduction of breakfast items and an expanded menu featuring the introduction of the company's "Specialty Sandwich" product line.
 * I think the WP:MOS says somewhere to spell out "percent" so fix The plan was successful and the company's sales increased by 15%.


 * History
 * Add the year to When the company began, its menu consisted predominantly of hamburgers, french fries, soft drinks, and desserts. (the year should not be in the lead only)
 * Would it make sense to briefly describe what made the Whopper different / unique when introduced (size? condiments?)
 * MOS says to avoid the slash in things like ''BK Chicken Tenders officially made their debut in a menu revision/expansion in 1985 ..." (could just use "and")
 * It depends how picky the GAN reviewer is, but there are still several places that need references. Just in the "History" section for example, all three of these statements are uncited:
 * Beginning in 2006, BK started changing the original Chicken Tenders' shape to crowns.
 * After the failure of the Baguette line in North America, the sandwich was again reformulated to its current iteration, the TenderGrill sandwich.
 * A third variation of the Angus burger is sold in the European markets.
 * This expansion introduced BK's A.M. Express product line which included French toast sticks and Mini-muffins. The new breakfast line was designed to be portable because studies had shown that an increasing percent of consumers were eating breakfast on the go.
 * I don't think this would be a problem at GAN, but the language could still be tightened up - for example The improved fries were treated with a coat of potato-based starch that gave the fries a crisp coating that would [to] maintain crispiness longer.
 * Need the year breakfasts were introduced here (in the lead, needs to be repeated in the body)


 * Regionalization
 * I would not send this to GAN with a cleanup tag in place (I think that qualifies it as a quick fail).
 * The problem sentence for me here is this International variations add ingredients such as teriyaki or beetroot and fried egg to the Whopper in Australia,[40] beer in Germany, Italy and Spain, and halal or kosher products in the Middle East and Israel.[41][42] Everything in it except the teriyaki and beer is repeated elsewhere. I think I would remove this sentence, make the first paragraph about halal and kosher products, and the second about other regionalizations (adding back teriyaki in Australia, and beer).
 * Hungry Jacks needs to be briefly explained.


 * Preparation methods
 * WP:HEAD says not to use articles (a, an the) in headers unless absolutley necessary. Could "The Broiler" be just "Broiling"? I note the words "The Broiler" appear only in the header.
 * Lead says the company opened in 1954, The Broiler section seems to say an earlier date The original broiling concept was created in 1952 when Matthew Burns and Kieth Kramer acquired the rights to George Read's Inst[s?]-Shake and Insta-Broiler machines. How can the original broiliong concept be created when you buy an existing broiling machine? Also missing a letter "a"?
 * Which company is meant in this? BK? FLame broiler manufacturer? When Burger King franchisees James McLamore and David Edgarton, both of whom would later purchase the company in 1953, opened their first location in Miami, they revamped the unit into a "flame broiler" – the forerunner of the modern unit used by Burger King today.[49] (this is also prior to 1954)
 * Tighten The Duke units produce a $4,000 [to] $5,000 (USD) annual savings on energy for the compared to the original units[,] which ran at as if they were at full capacity all day.


 * Demographic targeting
 * Not sure the names of kids meals should be in bold type - see WP:ITALIC


 * Nutrition
 * Avoid short (one or two sentence) paragraphs like BK food is prepared with several known food allergens, including wheat, milk, soy and eggs.[BK 9] - can this be combined with another?


 * Packaging
 * More refs are needed here - I could also swear I ate a Yumbo way back when served in a white styrofoam clamshell...


 * Limited time offerings
 * The header calls them "Limited time offerings" the text "Limited time offers" - which is it?
 * I would explicitly say this has seven patties The Windows 7 Whopper, an LTO product tie-in with Microsoft in Japan for the introduction of Windows 7.

Hope this helps. If my comments are useful, please consider peer reviewing an article, especially one at Peer review/backlog. Except forthe cleanup tag, which would be a quick fail I think, this seems like it could be submitted to GAN and you could fix things in the review or as you wait. I do not watch peer reviews, so if you have questions or comments, please contact me on my talk page. Yours, Ruhrfisch &gt;&lt;&gt; &deg; &deg; 17:41, 12 January 2010 (UTC)
 * Failed products
 * Assault seems too POV Introduced as direct assault on corporate rival McDonald's, the Big King was Burger King's response to the Big Mac and had a similar style and taste.[105]
 * The whole Suppliers and purchasing section is very list-y