Talk:Burglar (character)

Cleanup request
The background for this character is disorganized, and needs a better chronology. In addition, the info on the character's appearance in the Spider-Man films was written hastily; needs grammatical and content editing. Konczewski 04:51, 20 May 2007 (UTC)

Name of the article
That name completely threw me. That character is known as the burglar. The name Dennis Carradine is never used in connection to the burglar in the comics. The last name is used in connection with his daughter that appeared years after he last appeared (ASM 200). The first name is never used except in the third movie but that doesn't make it canon. The Wizard or any other of the Marvel characters that went without name would never have an entry under their civilian identity.--Leocomix 00:41, 22 May 2007 (UTC)
 * Agreed. When I first saw the article listed at the Comic Project, I thought it was about a lesser known brother to Keith and David Carradine. Konczewski 02:34, 22 May 2007 (UTC)

I corrected the article, I also created a subdivision about his name so as to remove information pertaining to other media from the section dealing with the comics character. however, I don't know to change the name of an article. If somebody can do it or tell me how to, I'd be grateful. --Leocomix 16:41, 22 May 2007 (UTC)
 * I think there are two things you can do. One, petition a moderator to make the change.  Unfortunately, I don't know how one does that, so you'd have to browse the help section.  Two, create a new article that is more accurately named, copy all the info to that article, and place a REDIRECT in this article.  The benefit of this method is that someone searching for "Dennis Carradine" will be shunted to the new article.  The question remains, though, as to what to call the new article.  Sorry this wasn't much help.  Konczewski 19:17, 22 May 2007 (UTC)

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Name
Since his daughter's name is Jessica Carradine and she is a canonical character, doesn't i stand to reason that they share the same last name? Tempest115 (talk) 02:02, 7 February 2009 (UTC)
 * No. It was never stated whether she got her surname from her father, or her mother (who died when she was a baby and might not have married the Burglar), or one of the several foster homes she lived in during her childhood. So unless you can find a comic that definitively states that Mrs Burglar took on Mr Burglar's last name and Jessica's name was never changed during the intervening years... the Burglar stays anonymous. (In the comics at least.) And with a surname like Burglar, no wonder he found himself turning to crime. :-( MultipleTom (talk) 12:57, 12 June 2009 (UTC)

One of the Marvel Universe/Spider-Man Official Handbooks lists his real name as "Carradine", thus its canonical. 69.121.25.19 (talk) 02:33, 10 July 2009 (UTC)
 * No it isn't. Those handbooks aren't canonical. They make mistakes in them all the time. Mistakes like that one there. MultipleTom (talk) 15:36, 19 July 2009 (UTC)
 * I'm sure they do make mistakes, but there's no reason to assume this one is. They are called OFFICIAL Handbooks for a reason, Marvel publishes them, and unless something in the comic stories themselves contradicts the information in them, there's no reason they shouldn't be counted as canon. And there are PLENTY of supervillians whose real names were only ever revealed in handbooks, like Coldheart, Joystick, etc. 69.121.25.19 (talk) 07:32, 23 July 2009 (UTC)
 * It really doesn't. The editors of those handbooks are specifically told not to make things up for them, but sometimes they do, usually by accident (as I suspect this one is). Furthermore they have printed a lot of erroneous material in the past, including information that has later been contradicted via retcons. If you can't find an actual comic book issue reference for this listing then it shouldn't be in the article. MultipleTom (talk) 15:14, 23 July 2009 (UTC)
 * But there are a bunch of other cases of characters who only ever recieve names in the Handbooks, as well as cases where the Handbooks provide information on a character's past, or what's happened to them since their last comic appearance, or how their powers work, and so forth. That makes me doubt your claim that editors are instructed not to add any new content, plus sometimes a writer's ideas on a character can't all fit in the story and are expanded on in the Handbook as well. We can debate all day over whether or not that should make the information count as canonical, but the fact is, you'd have to erase information from plenty of other Wikipedia comic articles to be consistent with what you're doing here. 69.121.25.19 (talk) 08:02, 24 July 2009 (UTC)
 * According to editorials in several older handbooks, new information MAY be created by the person who is working on the article if the usual creative team/editor agree. Many names first appear in the handbooks, as do many birthplaces, etc. Marvel's policy is that information in the handbooks is canon unless and until they decide otherwise (ie: print a contradictory handbook or story). 97.82.152.134 (talk) 01:53, 10 December 2009 (UTC)

While there is no question that Handbooks can and do have permission to introduce new and canonical information, despite MultipleTom's completely misconstrued notion that they are specifically told otherwise, there's a problem with the rest of this discussion. None of the Burglar's handbook entries list his surname as Carradine. The all, including the most recent, list his name as "Unrevealed."86.164.85.111 (talk) 12:17, 10 March 2010 (UTC)

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