Talk:Burnout Paradise/Archive 1

Must be something to add to this?
I know there isn't really a plot or anything, but for a highly anticipated game, there must surely be something that can be added? It's quite striking how short it is. Wissam24 (talk) 16:41, 15 February 2008 (UTC)

Article move/rename?
Can someone move this? The name was officially announced today(April 30th) as Burnout Paradise. --Phnx8387 14:56, 30 April 2007 (UTC)

And it's supposed to be winter 2007 according to the EA press release http://info.ea.com/news/pr/pr935.pdf

isn't this suppossed to be Burnout Paradise not BurnOut Paradise 71.247.85.63 18:40, 16 June 2007 (UTC)

Burnout 5?
It says 'formerly known as Burnout 5' right at the top, but this is the 6th game in the series, the 7th if you count the handheld version! 91.107.176.250 (talk) 22:27, 9 September 2008 (UTC)

Burnout 4 was Revenge, right? After Revenge was Burnout Dominator. This is a project that was worked on solely by EA Games. Criterion had no role, as they were working exclusively on Burnout Paradise. Paradise is the fifth game that criterion published, hence "Burnout 5" Slyfield (talk) 06:55, 27 May 2009 (UTC)

Boxart/logo...
If the game's boxart is known, you can take down the logo and add the boxart instead. I just put the logo there as a placeholder until something more conventional came about. SuperSonicTH 16:54, 22 June 2007 (UTC)

No reason to show only the X360 boxart. The boxart is identical to the PS3 boxart (http://www.joystiq.com/2007/07/12/joystiq-impressions-burnout-paradise/) - a neutral image can be shown to not give preference to either system.

Its alright. I think my logo image got speedy-deleted anyway. It was openly available to the public, though (I got it off Criterion's website from their press-release about the game) but I'm not upset about it. SuperSonicTH 13:57, 14 August 2007 (UTC)

Regarding the second car
I changed it to a more user friendly paragraph, so that people would stop changing it. Once a second car is widespreadly known, I'll change it back. &#91;&#91;User:SonicNiGHT&#124;SonicNiGHT&#93;&#93; (talk) 17:12, 24 December 2007 (UTC)

Not to say I told you so... &#91;&#91;User:SonicNiGHT&#124;SonicNiGHT&#93;&#93; (talk) 02:23, 31 December 2007 (UTC)

I've checked the 2 sources listed for the 2nd car availible in the demo, but I didn't find anything about that car in the articles listed. Am I missing something, or is this still unverified information? Krabstarr (talk) 03:50, 31 December 2007 (UTC)

I read the two cited sources,14 and 16, neither of which mention the ability to unlock a second car. I'm removing this part until verifiable proof is made available. CharlieFandango (talk) 12:08, 31 December 2007 (UTC)

There's no verified sources because everyone who unlocks it never bothers to go online and talk about it, lol. I'm working on getting screenshots of it right now. &#91;&#91;User:SonicNiGHT&#124;SonicNiGHT&#93;&#93; (talk) 05:26, 2 January 2008 (UTC)

There is a second car in the demo but it cannot be unlocked. The car in question is the Nakamura Ikusa GT and is only available in the Japanese Region (both PS3 and XBOX 360). If you want pictures go to: http://www.operationburnout.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=600. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.31.92.195 (talk) 19:19, 7 January 2008 (UTC)

Boost Rules
I own the game and i have encountered no such option as this on either console (my friend owns the PS3, i own the 360). Can we have proof that it is in game or can we have it removed? (Reason i say give proof is because i haven't got the Burnout Liscense yet, so it may come then). —Preceding unsigned comment added by 79.73.108.198 (talk) 17:39, 28 January 2008 (UTC)

'I believe boost rules is each class of car. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 194.83.25.15 (talk) 15:01, 30 January 2008 (UTC)

Stolen Logo edits
This section was added by the "13 year old kid" who is claiming to have been stolen from. The link that accompanies it as "proof" is a dead end link. Isn't this sort of accusation considered original research, which is not allowed on Wiki? CharlieFandango (talk) 12:08, 29 January 2008 (UTC)
 * Yup. It's a load of crap. You might aswell say "I painted a car blue, and there's blue cars in the game, so they were stolen". Sorry, I accidently reverted to the wrong version before. Fin©™ 20:02, 29 January 2008 (UTC)
 * It's cool bro, Sorry for adding the soundtrack listing back in, I though that I had accidentally deleted it when I removed the logo section. Did you create a page for the paradise soundtrack? It would make for some consistency across the burnout games' wiki pages.CharlieFandango (talk) 29 January 2008 (UTC)
 * I don't think some 13 year old loser created one of the letters of the Greek alphabet.pjh3000 (talk) 15:50, 1 February 2008 (UTC)

Features
In the Features section, there is a sentence that says: "Now, instead of having preset junctions and predetermined traffic patterns, the player may crash in any location in the world, press both shoulder buttons on their controller and activate Showtime mode." The last bit starting from "press both shoulder" doesn't really make any sense when combined with the rest. I don't own the game, so I don't know what it's supposed to be, and as such I don't want to attempt to fix that up. Mjack32 (talk) 06:48, 3 February 2008 (UTC)

Fair use rationale for Image:Burnout-paradise-20071205052332290-000.jpg
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BetacommandBot (talk) 04:47, 12 February 2008 (UTC)

Soundtrack
What happened to the link to the soundtrack page? Juicebarjoseph (talk) 21:19, 13 February 2008 (UTC)

"Confirmed Features" - doesn't this statement imply that the game hasn't been released yet?
I think this article needs to be updated ... many of the statements made imply that this is an unreleased game. Darlyn Perez 19:38, 13 March 2008 (UTC)

No. It's DLC/GCC  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.185.202.204 (talk) 00:21, 20 June 2008 (UTC)

Vandalism
This page's content has been subject to vandalism. I have restored some content from the last edit I have deemed valid, but I had to do it by hand since it refused to undo automatically. Anyway there's still a lot to be done in order to revert it to it's earlier self. can somebody else plz help with that?? W.Darwish (talk) 11:56, 14 March 2008 (UTC)


 * I've restored the the last version that was done by Smackbot. Only things missing from your edits from what I can tell were mostly references.  CardinalFangZERO (talk) 12:31, 14 March 2008 (UTC)

Patch?
No mention of the upcoming patch for this game?

www.shacknews.com/onearticle.x/51614

www.criteriongames.com/burnout/paradise/press/features/patch1_2/

ps3.ign.com/articles/856/856936p1.html

Vicco Lizcano (talk) 15:56, 24 March 2008 (UTC) (Hey! Listen!) -- • The Giant Puffin • 19:54, 9 April 2008 (UTC)

Publisher Link
The second link at the bottom of the page redirects to www.criteriongames.com (the Burnout Podcast just let everyone know that now they want everyone to visit their home page instead of the EA.com page). Should be removed? --Tibbs (talk) 03:44, 12 April 2008 (UTC)

Where's the release date?
Criterion Games announced night condition and bikes, and new routes, but where's the release date? Are they announcing the release date or they won't make any update releases at all? Just rumors, maybe? Also, Criterion is missing the Airport, which it is supposed to be in Paradise City. If Criterion is completely avoiding update releases, then I'm afraid that it may be a joke. 70.45.60.10 (talk) 15:24, 17 May 2008 (UTC)

References (Trivia)
I've noticed that there are some references to pop culture in the game. For example, when you receive the Nakamura SI-7 in-game, you get a Paradise Award called "Yatta!" This is a reference to Heroes, Nakamura obviously referring to Hiro Nakamura and the phrase "Yatta" ("I did it" in Japanese) referring to event when he teleported to New York City in the first season.

So how about a trivia section? Zellthemedic (talk) 20:09, 28 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Trivia sections are specifically discouraged because they are not encyclopedic (see WP:TRIVIA). I think it's probably best to leave it out. Really more of a thing for gaming sites than an encyclopedia.  ChimpanzeeUK  - User | Talk | Contribs 21:46, 28 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Fair enough. Zellthemedic (talk) 20:04, 29 July 2008 (UTC)
 * If you can find a reference for it, it might be worth adding it to the fandom and references in popular culture section on the Heroes article.  ChimpanzeeUK  - User | Talk | Contribs 20:07, 29 July 2008 (UTC)

Inclusion of OperationBurnout.com in External Links
I don't understand why a link to Operation Burnout cannot be included in the article. The site includes a full history of the game news back from when BP was first announced in August 2006. The news gives full official press releases, screenshots and other media from EA Games, Criterion Games and other third party sites. The site also contains guides and maps, full soundtrack listings, codes to unlock additional content, PS3 trophies/ Xbox 360 achievement lists. In addition to this there is a huge community of BP fans, 1170 to count, which makes OperationBurnout the largest Burnout community website out there. If anything, OperationBurnout.com is the most comprehensive source of information regarding the game. There is no reason for it not to be included in the external links section. Wikipedia states that "Sites with other meaningful, relevant content that is not suitable for inclusion in an article..." can be linked to. Explain to me why the content on operationBurnout.com is not meaningful and relevant to BP.

The link was removed shortly after I added it by "ChimpanzeeUK" without the site even being checked to see if it meets the criteria which Wikipedia states is relevant to be linked to. 82.18.141.152 (talk) 19:19, 3 September 2008 (UTC) Anthony
 * Hi. WP:VG/EL is more relevant - "Inappropriate external links...Fan-based sites". It does say "though if determined by consensus to be valuable, they may be included", but there's no consensus yet anyway. Thanks! Fin©™ 19:36, 3 September 2008 (UTC)
 * Hi. Like Falcon suggested, what I meant by "per WP:EL and concensus" is that it is the concensus that in general, fan sites should not be included. I didn't mean to imply that that concensus was against that site in particular being included. As mentioned above, WP:VG/EL would have been more appropriate. Sorry.  ChimpanzeeUK  - User | Talk | Contribs 20:32, 3 September 2008 (UTC)

Added Japanese name
Must I do everything myself? Wiki does'nt even allow me to tranlast Japanese symbols to Japanese words. How dumb is that? 70.45.160.124 (talk) 15:42, 14 September 2008 (UTC)
 * This is en.wikipedia.com so the Japanese name is not necessary.  ChimpanzeeUK  - User | Talk | Contribs 12:44, 4 October 2008 (UTC)

indeed. it they want info in japanese, they can choose that language from the sidebar after all! 86.157.198.31 (talk) 13:48, 5 February 2009 (UTC)

Cagney addressed issue of no restarts?
I don't know about the Xbox 360 version, but I'm almost certain that you could quit events by stopping the car in the PS3 version BEFORE the Cagney update.

Sorry I don't have the evidence, but the way things are phrased in the article, it is implied that such action was not possible before the Cagney update.

Maybe check the source of the information? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 93.96.15.184 (talk) 21:39, 3 October 2008 (UTC)
 * You cannot restart events, only exit them. The article refers to the fact that, say you were just about to finish a race but you were in last place, you can't just select a restart option to go back to the beginning of the race.  ChimpanzeeUK  - User | Talk | Contribs 12:42, 4 October 2008 (UTC)

removed text stating that there is no way to exit the game on pc
You can use F1 and F2 (or the left and right bumpers on the X360 controller) to switch between the different pause menus. One of the menus has an option to exit the game. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.48.214.85 (talk) 22:40, 6 February 2009 (UTC)

Spruced up Car types section
I changed the wording and structure of the Car types paragraph. Looks a little more organized now, as opposed to a wall of text.

SamuraiFez (talk) 09:40, 8 March 2009 (UTC)

Tone/Content
The entire article needs work...instaead of explaining the game, it explains what has improved over the previous version, which is of no help to someone who never played the previous version. Also, there are many references to the game being in the future such as "will have this feature"m and "this has been confirmed" and "will be able to"... 162.136.193.1 (talk) 21:54, 17 April 2009 (UTC)

Needs updating
Cops and Robbers has now been released, so has update v1.8, these need adding to the article. 81.157.86.21 (talk) 20:01, 30 April 2009 (UTC)

Needs updating
obviously rthe last edits were a while ago. this page needs to say on ddmmyy this was released rather than the release date has been annouced to be ddmmyy and on ddmmyy it came out. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 78.144.80.161 (talk) 12:18, 5 August 2009 (UTC)

Paradise City in other games
If I remember correctly, this setting was originally planned to be used for other EA games (I believe The Sims and Roller Coaster Tycoon were mentioned). Anyone else remember that, and have evidence? --Unknownwarrior33 (talk) 04:52, 19 August 2009 (UTC)

bikes
do you need the update to unlock the bikes? Wite ink ρεβῼ Talk / Stalk  03:27, 6 February 2010 (UTC)

Assessment

 * "the Burnout racing video game series." Too many links one after another.
 * ".. in January 2008 for PlayStation 3 and Xbox 360 and on February 5, 2009 on Microsoft Windows". "on" -> "for" to keep consistent
 * "to the library of Sony's Greatest Hits titles." Surely all "Sony's Greatest Hits titles" can be a wikilink as that is more descriptive?
 * Disagree, I tried that, but it seems cumbersome.
 * It was later added to the library of Greatest Hits titles. (current)
 * It was later added to Sony Greatest Hits library.  Is this better? — Hellknowz  ▎talk 19:08, 30 April 2010 (UTC)


 * "..is set in "Paradise City"" -> "fictional "Paradise City""?.
 * "Players can also play online multiplayer" -> "Players can also compete online" too much redundancy
 * ".. such as "Cops and Robbers""- a 2/3 words about what this is wouldn't hurt. (i.e. "such as police pursuit mode "Cops and Robbers"" - I'm guessing)
 * "The game features several free updates to the game " - too much redundancy, e.g. "Several free updates are available for the game.."
 * "..introduce things such as.." - "features" or something, not "things"
 * "and new "challenges"" <- why is challenges in quotes?
 * Because it's a specific type of game mode. It's a minor point though, so I've removed it.


 * "..aggregators GameRankings and Metacritic reporting" -> "both reporting" so it is clear.
 * "Release and Marketing" -> "Release and marketing
 * "Reception and Awards" -> "Reception"
 * Reception and awards is generally considered acceptable
 * No quarrel. Was referring to capitalization mostly. — Hellknowz ▎talk 19:08, 30 April 2010 (UTC)


 * Gameplay, ref [4] is twice in a row.
 * "Records are now kept.." <- this is first mention of this, so what was there before? Does this compare to previous titles.
 * Cleaned and updated


 * "players' drivers licenses" -> "player driver licenses" why so many s's?
 * Cleaned and updated


 * "Unlike in previous Burnout games, "Crash Mode", .." This section sort of a implies I had to read the previous titles articles first.
 * Sidebox: "Genre(s) | Nonlinear Driving," <- why is there a comma? Also two links one after another.
 * To emphasize two different aspects of the game, Nonlinear gameplay and the fact that it's a Racing game
 * I meant that it looks like 1 link to Nonlinear driving. I understand you don't want comma between them. Can you say "Nonlinear progression Racing" or "Racing with Nonlinear gameplay" or something that separates the links? — Hellknowz ▎talk 19:08, 30 April 2010 (UTC)
 * Open world Racing. You're Welcome, lol. Sonic NiGHT  09:45, 15 June 2010 (UTC)


 * Sidebox: "System requirements | See PC release" <- what? that link doesn't go anywhere
 * Sidebox: "7+ (re-rating)" <- "re-rated"?
 * Removed original rating as that can be confusing
 * Is "re-rating" something game articles use if they have been reassessed? It seems like a pointless remark. — Hellknowz ▎talk 19:08, 30 April 2010 (UTC)


 * Some references are just links, many don't have access dates, etc.
 * B-Class criteria does not require accessdate fields. Per Version 1.0 Editorial Team/Assessment/B-Class criteria point 1 cite web does not even have to be used.  I will update these when I get a chance, but it is not required for B-Class
 * Well, I was generally pointing things out. Ultimately thinking at FA. I recognise much of this will surely fit B. — Hellknowz ▎talk 19:08, 30 April 2010 (UTC)


 * Reception box is really annoyingly overlapping refs. Not sure what can be done though. Make it collapsed perhaps.
 * Used a clear tag to move the refs down.
 * Ha! I gotta remember that one. — Hellknowz ▎talk 19:08, 30 April 2010 (UTC)


 * I'll stop there. I'm too nitpicky. But at least the lead needs fixing.


 * Besides the issues above, this lacks references. I know it's a video game, but still. Things like updates and expansions with precise dates should have refs. I agree to B should it receive further fixes. — Hellknowz ▎talk 14:29, 30 April 2010 (UTC)
 * Do you have specifics besides expansion releases? Version 1.0 Editorial Team/Assessment/B-Class criteria point 1 states "It has reliable sources, and any important or controversial material which is likely to be challenged is cited."  Aside from DLC release dates, what else has the potential to be challenged?  I fail to see how 57 sources for an article of this size is not more than enough for B-Class.
 * Support B. What I meant is the references for dates should be really easy to come by. I don't care about every single sentence and fact. As pointed above, I was thinking about progress towards FA rather than just "get it to B and let's forget about it". I'm happy to provide further comments should you want this >B. — Hellknowz ▎talk 19:08, 30 April 2010 (UTC)

glitches
can i make a paragraph about glitches like how to paint carbon cars, invisibility, and how to turn traffic off? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.120.39.39 (talk) 06:12, 4 October 2010 (UTC)
 * No. See WP:OR. Thanks! Fin©™ 08:18, 4 October 2010 (UTC)