Talk:Bury F.C.

"Nationality given from place of birth"
I don't really like this idea for the current squad. No-one would classify, for example, Terry Butcher as a Singaporean. Glynn Hurst was born in Barnsley. It's common to assume nationality from place of birth if no other clues are obvious. I'm therefore removing the note "Nationality given from place of birth". sʟυмɢυм • т • c 20:44, 12 November 2006 (UTC)
 * Also David Buchanan was born in England, yet has Northern Irish nationality through his father. Here I would say his nationality would be classed as N. Ireland, because he plays for the under-21s. -- Boothman   /tɔːk/  15:18, 13 November 2006 (UTC).

This claim makes no sense...
The sentence "Recently Bury became the first football club to score a thousand goals in the top four tiers of the English football league." makes no sense to me. Since the football league has been going since the 1888, nearly 120 years, and dozens of clubs must have reached this milestone. Several clubs scored over 80 goals in the 06/07 season alone. There is no evidence to back the claim in any case. Oneeye 15:40, 19 May 2007 (UTC)


 * It should read "in each of the top four tiers of the English football league". There was quite a lot of publicity at the time. -- Boothman   /tɔːk/  16:57, 19 May 2007 (UTC).


 * Maybe you want to edit the text then so it makes sense, and if there was a lot of publicity then it should be easy to cite a reliable source. Oneeye 20:44, 20 May 2007 (UTC)

Shaker's nickname
They are nicknamed 'The Shakers' due to first chairman, JT Ingham who, before a Lancashire Cup game with Blackburn, said "We will shake them. In fact, we are the Shakers."

Hi, nice article. I wonder if the statement above could be referenced. I am aware many current supporters believe it and it may well be accurate. Are you sure it is a complete co-incidence that the early Shakers (i.e. religious movement) were I believe once active in the Greater Manchester area? --Steve Mercury (talk) 21:11, 29 December 2007 (UTC)


 * Now sourced (twelve months later). It's not necessarily a coincidence - Ingham could have known about the Shakers when he said that.  Scolaire (talk) 18:46, 17 January 2009 (UTC)

"Building strong foundations (1907-2001)
This wouldn't seem to make sense for a topic. Strong foundations of what? And why over 94 years? Lots of dates in the headings of this article seem to be off. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.181.125.188 (talk) 01:44, 26 October 2009 (UTC)

Section removed
I have removed the "famous fans" section as it is completely unsourced. The list in its entirety is below, and any can be restored if there is a reliable source included for verification. --Jezebel's Ponyo bons mots 14:11, 9 August 2011 (UTC)
 * Danny Boyle- Film director
 * Phil Neville- Footballer
 * Gary Neville- Footballer
 * Neville Neville- Former director/Cricket player
 * Gemma Atkinson- Model
 * Mike Read-Former Radio 1 DJ

Famous Players section
An IP editor continues to revert the removal of the famous players section. All suc lists need to have clear inclusion criteria or are by definition simply OR Through the edit summaries I have tried to make this clear to no avail. Is there any chance another editor could add some in so we don't just have a random list of players clogging up the article for no clear reason, please? Fenix down (talk) 09:06, 4 July 2013 (UTC)

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Loved the chart of league performance...
...so made it larger. And upgraded the article from Start to B-class. Well done. However, as not a Brit or a football fan, will cede reevaluation to those more knowledgeable on the topic. David notMD (talk) 16:34, 27 February 2019 (UTC)
 * That's great, David, and thank you very much. Another reviewer has made some suggestions too which will further improve it. All the best. No Great Shaker (talk) 19:40, 27 February 2019 (UTC)

reversion of vandalism
I reverted some vandalism this morning, but I had no idea whether the immediately previous edit was a good one or not, so if someone would check the work of Agijt89? --valereee (talk) 13:21, 27 July 2019 (UTC)
 * The edit to the Bury kit pattern didn't work properly so I restored the previous version. I don't know if the editor is being disruptive or not but altering kit pattern variables on dozens of football pages seems a strange thing to do. I've looked at a few and, while some are no different after the change, others like Bury show subtle differences which are not readily apparent. Thanks for raising the matter here as it could have been missed given the next edit. No Great Shaker (talk) 15:24, 27 July 2019 (UTC)
 * , glad to help, even if somewhat incompetently. :) --valereee (talk) 15:54, 27 July 2019 (UTC)

Category missing
Category:Companies that have entered administration in the United Kingdom. Page protected so I cannot add it. 80.189.131.73 (talk) 20:28, 27 August 2019 (UTC)
 * ✅ that is uncontroversial as Bury F.C. have been in administration before, but I butchered the edit summary terribly, because I mean to refer to the collapse of ITV Digital. -- Minoa (talk) 21:08, 27 August 2019 (UTC)
 * Actually, scrap that: neither of the two sources mention administration by name. I’m always getting things so mixed up. -- Minoa (talk) 21:12, 27 August 2019 (UTC)
 * They entered (and were brought out of) administration in 2002; as you say the financial problems were related to ITV Digital collapsing.  80.189.131.73 (talk) 10:50, 28 August 2019 (UTC)
 * The Companies House source should be good enough, but I will let another editor add in the CH source and determine if the suggested category should be adopted, because my original edit would have been contested for not having a source that mentions Administration by name. -- Minoa (talk) 16:56, 28 August 2019 (UTC)
 * Pending-protection-unlocked.svg Not done: The page's protection level has changed since this request was placed. You should now be able to edit the page yourself. If you still seem to be unable to, please reopen the request with further details. Melmann 16:32, 7 September 2019 (UTC)

Officially expelled from Football League.
Statement just released. Culloty82 (talk) 22:14, 27 August 2019 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 27 August 2019
Change the league on Bury from League One to N/A. They have been expelled from the EFL. GingerNinjaCAFC (talk) 22:16, 27 August 2019 (UTC)
 * Done. Thanks! --Hammersoft (talk) 22:24, 27 August 2019 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 28 August 2019
Change current words such was "is" and "plays" into their past versions, as Bury FC is now expelled from EFL Jammyjames16 (talk) 06:43, 28 August 2019 (UTC)
 * Red information icon with gradient background.svg Not done: The football club still exists as an entity for now, they are just without a league. Kosack (talk) 06:54, 28 August 2019 (UTC)

Squad list
Why has someone just deleted the squad? Have the club just released all the players? Cls14 (talk) 08:15, 28 August 2019 (UTC)
 * they would technically still be contracted to the club. So yeah they will technically still be bury players... for now. (Wasn't me who removed them but they should prob be put back)Muur (talk) 08:42, 28 August 2019 (UTC)
 * I've restored them until sources confirm they're no longer under contract. cheers, Struway2 (talk) 09:15, 28 August 2019 (UTC)
 * David Conn is reporting that the players are all free agents as Bury is no longer an EFL club.-- Pawnkingthree (talk) 15:12, 28 August 2019 (UTC)
 * He ends it saying "and can leave". Can't leave if youre still there. theyre still contracted to the team until actual sources say theyre not.Muur (talk) 21:38, 28 August 2019 (UTC)
 * You can’t be a free agent and contracted. Pawnkingthree (talk) 21:59, 28 August 2019 (UTC)
 * We have a source for them releasing 150 youth players, but still no mention of the remaining senior players. (https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/49514852)/ since bury have stated theyre going to sue the EFL and try and get their league spot back, they will prob try and retain these players in case they get put back in... though like with Archer leaving today, I forsee none of this will remain players come the closer of the transfer window on tuesday.Muur (talk) 22:03, 31 August 2019 (UTC)

New league
So dus anybody know what will happen now? will they be reformed in a lower league? or completely folded? REDMAN 2019 11:54 28 August 2019 (GMT)


 * We don't have a crystal ball, but the team itself still exists, just doesn't have membership of the league. They could apply for membership of a lower league for next season. Alternatively, they could go into liquidation and start a new club in a lower league with a slightly different name, like how Chester City became Chester and Hereford United became Hereford. 2A00:23C5:E1AB:4500:FC04:71FD:6DF7:44AD (talk) 13:04, 28 August 2019 (UTC)
 * I'm pretty sure I saw a source mentioning that they were already going into liquidation from next week (or similar.) Best Wishes,  Lee Vilenski (talk • contribs) 14:37, 28 August 2019 (UTC)
 * Today's BBC article only mentions liquidation in reference to Maidstone United in 1992 (last league club to be expelled) and the possibility of Bolton going into liquidation. Quote: "It is not yet certain what will happen to Bury Football Club, its staff and players or the stadium." 2A00:23C5:E1AB:4500:6064:C213:8477:B17 (talk) 17:15, 28 August 2019 (UTC)

International players who played for Bury F.C.
The above suggestion I feel could make for some interesting reading. The likes of Neville Southall, Gary Kelly, Michael Nugent, Peter Reid and I have no doubt many more. How about such a Bury FC category ? 51.171.231.250 (talk) 22:24, 15 January 2022 (UTC)
 * We do have the table of notable players in the article which was begun and then left in limbo with just three entries. You could expand that if you like. Many of these players, however, were not with Bury when they made international appearances. Colin Bell and Neville Southall, for example, began their careers at Gigg and made their international debuts soon after they moved to First Division clubs. Thanks. No Great Shaker (talk) 05:21, 16 January 2022 (UTC)
 * I have added a table of full international players - mainly from UK and Ireland (there may also be others from non-EU countries who won caps while at Bury). I have moved the content of the 'notable players' into a bulleted list and prose - feel free to add Southall, et al to the list. Paul W (talk) 08:53, 17 January 2022 (UTC)
 * Great work, . Well done. No Great Shaker (talk) 16:38, 17 January 2022 (UTC)
 * I'm 99% sure our last-ever skipper Neil Danns played for 🇬🇾 Guyana while he was with us. If I can find anything to confirm, I'll add Neil to the list. No Great Shaker (talk) 22:48, 17 January 2022 (UTC)
 * I have added a note about Danns being the last Bury full international. I haven't yet found a source that provides an easy summary of all the Guyana matches he played in so that caps and goals while registered at Bury can be synthesised, so I haven't added him to the table yet. Paul W (talk) 11:07, 18 January 2022 (UTC)
 * Added Danns to the table based on the six games he played in qualifying and in the 2019 CONCACAF finals. Paul W (talk) 20:52, 23 January 2022 (UTC)
 * That's great, Paul. Thanks again. My brother-in-law has been helping me search for confirmation but it's the needle in a haystack! No Great Shaker (talk) 14:07, 24 January 2022 (UTC)
 * I'm guessing Baichung Bhutia would be one of the best known of those who played international football while with Bury. cheers, Struway2 (talk) 09:22, 18 January 2022 (UTC)
 * Added Bhutia - found stats on the RSSSF website. Paul W (talk) 13:56, 21 February 2022 (UTC)

Est.1885
Hello, all. Just to clarify that our group's name is rendered Est.1885 with the period. I notice that some outlets including the BBC are spelling it wrong but, for confirmation, see our website. Thanks. No Great Shaker (talk) 11:06, 20 February 2022 (UTC)

Consensus to maintain the 1885 formation date of Bury FC post-merger
Decide in the event of a newco "Bury FC" returning to the English pyramid to:
 * A) maintain 1885 as the year the club was founded.
 * B) change the date to 2022 or 2023 or whenever the reformation occurs.
 * C) both e.g. under 'founded' infobox section include both 1885 and reformation of the newco

Background: In addition to the WikiProject/Football talk page about keeping/merging the Bury AFC article in the event of a merger (see for background on active irl events) we could probably also do with establishing consensus ahead of time for the decision above so as to help manage an inevitable edit war that occurred and could be spurred on by Rangers F.C. post-2012.

Nominator's argument in favour of option A: Common precedent on WikiProject/Football (shown below) is to separate the emotive legacy of a football club from the companies that operate them provided the different companies trade by the same team name. The "oldco" Bury F.C. wasn't even incorporated until 1897 but we consider the football club to be formed in 1885 because we look for more of a social construct than what is listed at Companies House. In this event, the "Bury F.C." name would live on.

Examples of precedent to support argument above: Raised by JamesLewisBedford01 (talk) 02:38, 14 October 2022 (UTC)
 * Despite the polarising view (also see the many Talk:Rangers F.C. archives) of post-2012 Rangers, this project has maintained Rangers F.C. as being founded in 1872.
 * When Darlington F.C. folded in 2012 and fans initially formed a new phoenix club by the different name of Darlington 1883, the project (rightfully) treated them as a separate club with a separate article (listing its formation as occurring in 2012). In 2017 when the FA approved the new club use of the original "Darlington FC" name, the two articles were merged but crucially the current Darlington F.C. article maintains the formation date (1883) of the original club (in affect meaning the name change "restored" the old club).
 * Vast amounts of clubs in administration that didn't lose their league place as the first two examples did, still had their assets transferred to a new company. The Oldham Athletic article lists its formation as 1895 despite its current operating company being listed in 2003.


 * *option C) both There is a discontinuity not just in the Bury F.C. company, but also insofar as the 'new Bury F.C.' might - if the merger plans are agreed - actually be a previously separate club, the renamed Bury A.F.C. (founded December 2019; pedants might suggest an option D: that 1885, 2019 and 2022/3 all be noted!). There is also a subtle difference from the Darlington example: in that case, a new club was started immediately so there was no break in the footballing history; in Bury's case there was a season-long break between Bury's EFL expulsion and AFC's first competitive game. Paul W (talk) 15:28, 18 October 2022 (UTC)
 * I think AFC being a previously separate club is an indifference (and semantic) as the same was true of Darlo 1883 but I do see what you are saying about the discontinuity. There was no football (FC OR AFC alike) played in the 2019/20 season so a formation date that implies 1885–present is not entirely accurate and may need to mention reformation(s). Comment by James Lewis Bedford (talk) 16:06, 18 October 2022 (UTC)


 * Update The merger in the end did not go through.

Merge or retain separate Bury articles
There is a discussion on the Football WikiProject page about whether to merge or retain the Bury AFC article alongside the Bury FC article. Paul W (talk) 09:08, 25 May 2023 (UTC)
 * the discussion above this one gives precedence to merge bury afc into this page, as darlington 1883 was merged into the regular darligonton page. same exact situation. kicked out of league, new team formed, new team later merges with old team as one team. same exact situation so treat it the same and merge afc into this one.Muur (talk) 22:34, 27 May 2023 (UTC)
 * looks like its time for someone to merge.Muur (talk) 04:16, 6 June 2023 (UTC)