Talk:Bush (British band)/Archive 1

NOTE
Prior to archiving, many posts were made in non-chronological order, so newer posts may be above older ones in this archive. Beeblebrox (talk) 19:48, 13 November 2009 (UTC)

Post Grunge?
I'm amazed that a "post-grunge" band formed in 1991. Three years before Kurt Cobain blew his head off. How is a band which formed before Nirvana released Nevermind considered "post-grunge"?


 * That's a good point, I'm changing it to "alternative rock"

Would you please show some respect and get your facts correct. If your going to talk about Kurt Cobain's death then use a term such as deceased. And it is not a fact that he commited suicide... there is also a great deal of evidence proving that he was murdered. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Frkshow5 (talk • contribs) 22:36, 10 October 2008 (UTC)

Bush could definitly be considered a grunge band anyway. Nirvana was not the first grunge band, they just brought the genre out. But, bush definitly has all the sings of a grunge band, they are use extreme dynamics, they make song about drugs(mainly heroine...grungs's drug), the even wear flanal, and their songs consist of mainly power chords and bass played verses. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.72.37.182 (talk) 04:56, 24 December 2008 (UTC)


 * That's why I added "Grunge" a while ago. They're similar to Nirvana and they formed in the early 90's.  But at the same time, much like Nu-metal, "Post-grunge" doesn't really mean the time period, it means the sound.  Post-grunge is a more radio-friendly, poppy version of Grunge.  It was only given the name "post-grunge" because it reached its heyday after the decline of grunge. TheDavesr 21:41, 2 July 2006 (UTC)


 * Well, even though no one really accepts it as is, around 93-94 Grunge bands were the most radio friendly bands around, with MTV showing their videos 24/7 and idolizing Nirvana as the new beatles. Cobain dies and for some reasson the hype around it gives this statement comming out of nowhere that grunge died after Cobain's death. Fact is that a lot more people got into grunge after Cobain's death and his death contributed to the massification of Grunge as a profitable business for record labels (hence all the bands that were given attention after that). If well Bush was formed in 1991, it was only after 1994 that they were known. All that aside, Bush is THE main post-gunge band, mainly because of how much criticism Gavin Rossdale recieved (and this is ridiculous) for looking alike Kurt Cobain (and sounding alike too, yet only the first album's got the most nirvana-sounding songs), in a time were every critic hailed Cobain as the 90s John Lennon, the fact that another musician came doing the same thing came as an insult to critics. It was only in 2001 that things cooled off and Bush recieved their first overall positive reviews, times had change and now all radio's played Limp Bizkit-like bands, something that quickly tired the ever changing market (in its peak, that lasted around 2-3 years?).

Severe NPOV Issues
The previous version read like a rather hysterical diatribe against grunge (nonsense like Pearl Jam being in decline after the failure of Vs. (!!), an album that set records with the speed at which it went platinum, and blaming the commercial failure of Razorblade Suitcase on Nirvana, since, you know, it just sounded too much like In Utero, which I guess the previous editor thought was a failure just like Vs., to be as wildly, astoundingly successful as Sixteen Stone. Removed superfluous references to Pearl Jam and Nirvana. Perhaps a section expounding upon Bush's critical reception would be warranted. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.218.202.206 (talk) 04:35, 12 January 2008 (UTC)

Name Origin?
David Carson, the art director for Sixteen Stone, claims that he infact, suggested "Bush" as the band's name, though the article says otherwise.

"I was standing in my kitchen in Del Mar, at the sink, talking on the phone and I was telling a guy from the band Future Primitive that it was a really bad name. Then later when I am designing the sleeve he tells me that we have to mention his dog somewhere on the sleeve... and the dog is called Bush. So I suggested: there's your name." There are a few other meanings to the word." - David Carson

Here is the link to the quote, on David Carson's offical site.

http://www.davidcarsondesign.com/?dcdc=top/n&w=pin/work/_music/bush&r=1&dirf=works:music:Bush

Regrettably, I know very little about Bush, perhaps we can get a fan's educated opinion on the subject? TheFearedMachina (talk) 22:13, 19 December 2007 (UTC)

Criticism, 'Nirvana rip-off,' bad reviews
I think it is worthwhile to note that, while they are a successful band, their albums got bad reviews overall and a main criticism was that their sound was derivitve. Several critics said Bush was blatanly ripping off Nirvana and that Gavin Rossdale can't write lyrics.

Dave Grohl even said, in a '96 Melody Maker piece, "If you look at the bands that are really popular in America now you've got Bush and you've got Silverchair. Why are these bands popular? I'll tell you: Bush sound an awful lot like Nirvana used to. Now Nirvana aren't really around any more, but hey!! This band sounds like Nirvana and they tour!!! So you can go see 'em live and relive the Nirvana glory days!!!"

Here's some examples of the kind of reviews Bush got.

Here's a quote from an Allmusic Guide review to "Sixteen Stone"

http://www.allmusic.com/cg/amg.dll?p=amg&sql=10:r69ss39ua3bg

"Bush turn in an album that follows all the rules and sounds of American hard rock, specifically Nirvana and Pearl Jam. Their songwriting isn't original, nor is it particularly catchy. What makes "Everything Zen" and "Little Things" memorable is the exact reproduction of all of Nirvana's trademarks, only with a more professional execution."

Here's a quote from the Amazon.com review of "Sixteen Stone"

http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00004UALO/ref=m_art_pr_1/002-4404649-4638439?%5Fencoding=UTF8&v=glance&n=5174

"If imitation is the sincerest form of flattery, Nirvana should've been quite flattered by Sixteen Stone. The English quartet perfectly mimics the early '90s grunge sound with this '94 release. As for Kurt Cobain comparisons, singer Gavin Rossdale has a captivating voice, but lyrics are not his forte, as the splintered ramblings of "Everything Zen" indicates. (Gotta do better than "There's no sex in your violence.") The players meanwhile produce a perfectly competent approximation of their Northwestern heroes. "Little Things" is a successful rewrite of "Smells Like Teen Spirit" while "Machinehead" crunches like Pearl Jam and Soundgarden. In fact, the whole album feels like a throwback to 1992."

Here's a quote from a Rolling Stone review of "Razorblade Suitcase"

http://www.rollingstone.com/artists/bush/albums/album/242869/rid/5944129/

"Unfortunately, for all of their strained attempts at artistic credibility, Bush refuse to let go of the hackneyed posturing that catapulted them up the charts. As a songwriter, frontman Gavin Rossdale relies on nonsensical couplets like, "Do you feel the way you hate?/Do you hate the way you feel?" ("Greedy Fly"). It's bad enough that in "Straight No Chaser," Bush consciously ape the mallternative power-ballad format of their big hit "Glycerine" – but to name the former after the great jazz standard by Thelonious Monk is unbearably pretentious and insulting.

The band's derivative tendencies are everywhere: "Swallowed" borrows liberally from the Pixies' abrasive melodicism; "Synapse" looks a little too closely to PJ Harvey for inspiration. And let's not forget Nirvana – Rossdale's vocals in "Insect Kin" are a blurred xerox of Kurt Cobain's, just as the chord progression in "Mouth" uncomfortably recalls "Heart-Shaped Box." Moments like these make one wish that Bush would just accept their status as the Bon Jovi of grunge. When Rossdale sings, "We are servants to our formulaic ways," in "Greedy Fly," it hits a little too close to home. (RS 749)"

Here's an allmusic guide review for "Razorblade Suitcase"

http://www.allmusic.com/cg/amg.dll?p=amg&token=&sql=10:4gx7gj4ro6im

"Bush were criticized from most quarters of the music press for sounding too much like Nirvana on their debut album, Sixteen Stone, so in order to shed all of the comparisons, well, they hired producer Steve Albini (Nirvana, Pixies, PJ Harvey) and proceeded to record their own version of Nirvana's dark, difficult In Utero. Actually, Razorblade Suitcase, Bush's second album, cribs heavily from two of Albini's best productions, In Utero and Pixies' Surfer Rosa -- they even hired Vaughan Oliver, the designer behind Surfer Rosa, to do the artwork. Of course, relying so much on their idols only brings out Bush's weakness."

-- —Preceding unsigned comment added by 199.2.242.169 (talk • contribs)


 * There was such section before, but it was erased for unknown reassons (god bless angsty edits).


 * Oh nose! They're "derivative", like the first caveman who copied the first caveman to grunt to two notes in rhythm?! You sound exactly like my friends who insist that Nirvana is no good because (well, this is my insinuation) they're way too popular to possibly be so. Fact is, music critics - especially those at Rolling Stone - have quite a history of trashing all the best music that come out.


 * Seriously, I can't even find the words to express how much contempt I have for your words (nothing personal). While I consider myself to be a little bit of a music snob (and the rest of my friends consider me to be quite a bit of one), I have quite a tendency to love that which is good (those being my own words, of course). If you can listen and pay attention to the album version (not the radio version) of Mouth and not find it brilliant, I don't know what to do with you.


 * "Sell the kids for food
 * Weather changes moods
 * Spring is here again
 * Reproductive glands" --Kurt Cobain, pretending to mean something
 * -- MQ Duck 21:22, 18 March 2009 (UTC)

go on a hiatus?
"Hiatus may refer to:

* Dictionary.com Unabridged (v 1.0.1) - Cite This Source

hi‧a‧tus  /haɪˈeɪtəs/ Pronunciation Key - Show Spelled Pronunciation[hahy-ey-tuhs] Pronunciation Key - Show IPA Pronunciation –noun, plural -tus‧es, -tus. 1. a break or interruption in the continuity of a work, series, action, etc. 2. a missing part; gap or lacuna: Scholars attempted to account for the hiatus in the medieval manuscript. 3. any gap or opening. 4. Grammar, Prosody. the coming together, with or without break or slight pause, and without contraction, of two vowels in successive words or syllables, as in see easily. 5. Anatomy. a natural fissure, cleft, or foramen in a bone or other structure. [Origin: 1555–65; < L hiātus opening, gap, equiv. to hiā(re) to gape, open + -tus suffix of v. action]

—Related forms hi‧a‧tal, adjective"

Overally complicated; what is wrong with: "the band decided to split up."? From the definition above I am not sure - go on a hiatus - makes any sense.


 * Well, they didnt really split up, thats why we cant use that phrase. When a band breaks, they give a press release stating that they split and that they are all going solo now, that just didnt happend with Bush. Therefor: Hiatus

Equipment
Big Muff?

I thought Gavin was famous for using a (or even several) Bixonic Expandora Distortion. I think he did use a big muff, but it should be the Expandora which gets the biggest mention.

What?
This article needs to be fixed. It is poorly written. Also, Linkin Park and Lifehouse aren't grunge. The former is nu-metal and the latter is alternative/post-grunge. There were no waves of grunge, it's not like punk rock. Sherlock32 05:24, 28 April 2007 (UTC)
 * The entire article needs serious cleanup, especially the section on the different albums - it's written very poorly. Some items are just patently false like "Grunge music did not at the time have a band whose sales were as big as pop artists..."; that is definitely not true as Nirvana's Nevermind knocked Michael Jackson's Dangerous off the top of the Billboard charts. --JD79 18:54, 19 May 2007 (UTC)


 * Moreover, the entire article is biased. After reading the article you feel like Bush was unfairly passed-over by the changing music scene, rather than their lack of talent as the true reason of their disappearance.

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Foo Fighters Grunge?
Foo fighters aren't close to resembling a grunge sound and are clearly an alternative/pop band.

To the person who wrote above, I don't know what that has to do with anything. But check out the first two Foo Fighters albums. "This Is A Call" sounds closer to Nirvana than anything Bush ever did. Just sayin' 166.128.255.103 (talk) 20:24, 26 September 2008 (UTC)

Tour
"a Bush reunion tour would most likely be uncertain unless someone offers enough incentive."

"Would most likely be uncertain" says virtually nothing. "Most likely" and "uncertain" don't really belong together here. Does anyone know the exact words he used? The Jade Knight (talk) 13:12, 29 April 2009 (UTC)

Untitled
I'm amazed that Iraqi radio under Saddam Hussein played rock music! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 210.50.228.6 (talk) 16:50, 16 September 2005 (UTC)

I'm amazed that a "post-grunge" band formed in 1991. Three years before Kurt Cobain blew his head off. How is a band which formed before Nirvana released Nevermind considered "post-grunge"? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.165.87.40 (talk) 19:10, 20 October 2005 (UTC)
 * That's a good point, I'm changing it to "alternative rock" —Preceding unsigned comment added by 199.2.242.169 (talk) 16:23, 12 May 2006 (UTC)
 * Would you please show some respect and get your facts correct. If your going to talk about Kurt Cobain's death then use a term such as deceased.  And it is not a fact that he commited suicide... there is also a great deal of evidence proving that he was murdered.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Frkshow5 (talk • contribs) 22:36, 10 October 2008 (UTC)

I'm amazed that Bush ever obtained a record deal... In England they were regarded as a joke band, who did an impression of Nirvana (and American accents) to jump on the grunge band wagon. They just seemed like a poor impression. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 128.40.82.217 (talk) 17:10, 19 December 2005 (UTC)
 * Except for the fact that some of their songs are really, really, really good. Matt Yeager 07:12, 20 December 2005 (UTC)


 * That's why I added "Grunge" a while ago. They're similar to Nirvana and they formed in the early 90's.  But at the same time, much like Nu-metal, "Post-grunge" doesn't really mean the time period, it means the sound.  Post-grunge is a more radio-friendly, poppy version of Grunge.  It was only given the name "post-grunge" because it reached its heyday after the decline of grunge. TheDavesr 21:41, 2 July 2006 (UTC)
 * Well, even though no one really accepts it as is, around 93-94 Grunge bands were the most radio friendly bands around, with MTV showing their videos 24/7 and idolizing Nirvana as the new beatles. Cobain dies and for some reasson the hype around it gives this statement comming out of nowhere that grunge died after Cobain's death. Fact is that a lot more people got into grunge after Cobain's death and his death contributed to the massification of Grunge as a profitable business for record labels (hence all the bands that were given attention after that). If well Bush was formed in 1991, it was only after 1994 that they were known. All that aside, Bush is THE main post-gunge band, mainly because of how much criticism Gavin Rossdale recieved (and this is ridiculous) for looking alike Kurt Cobain (and sounding alike too, yet only the first album's got the most nirvana-sounding songs), in a time were every critic hailed Cobain as the 90s John Lennon, the fact that another musician came doing the same thing came as an insult to critics. It was only in 2001 that things cooled off and Bush recieved their first overall positive reviews, times had change and now all radio's played Limp Bizkit-like bands, something that quickly tired the ever changing market (in its peak, that lasted around 2-3 years?). —Preceding unsigned comment added by 201.215.169.90 (talk) 20:49, 20 October 2006 (UTC)

Bush could definitly be considered a grunge band anyway. Nirvana was not the first grunge band, they just brought the genre out. But, bush definitly has all the sings of a grunge band, they are use extreme dynamics, they make song about drugs(mainly heroine...grungs's drug), the even wear flanal, and their songs consist of mainly power chords and bass played verses. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.72.37.182 (talk) 04:56, 24 December 2008 (UTC)

Criticism, bad reviews
I think it is worthwhile to note that, while they are a successful band, their albums got bad reviews all around and thei sound is very derivitve. Several critics said Bush was blatanly ripping off Nirvana.

Dave Grohl even said, in a '96 Melody Maker piece, "If you look at the bands that are really popular in America now you've got Bush and you've got Silverchair. Why are these bands popular? I'll tell you: Bush sound an awful lot like Nirvana used to. Now Nirvana aren't really around any more, but hey!! This band sounds like Nirvana and they tour!!! So you can go see 'em live and relive the Nirvana glory days!!!"

Here's some examples of the reviews Bush got.

Here's a quote from an Allmusc Guide review to "Sixteen Stone"

http://www.allmusic.com/cg/amg.dll?p=amg&sql=10:r69ss39ua3bg

"Bush turn in an album that follows all the rules and sounds of American hard rock, specifically Nirvana and Pearl Jam. Their songwriting isn't original, nor is it particularly catchy. What makes "Everything Zen" and "Little Things" memorable is the exact reproduction of all of Nirvana's trademarks, only with a more professional execution."

Here's a quote from the Amazon.com review of "Sixteen Stone"

http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00004UALO/ref=m_art_pr_1/002-4404649-4638439?%5Fencoding=UTF8&v=glance&n=5174

"If imitation is the sincerest form of flattery, Nirvana should've been quite flattered by Sixteen Stone. The English quartet perfectly mimics the early '90s grunge sound with this '94 release. As for Kurt Cobain comparisons, singer Gavin Rossdale has a captivating voice, but lyrics are not his forte, as the splintered ramblings of "Everything Zen" indicates. (Gotta do better than "There's no sex in your violence.") The players meanwhile produce a perfectly competent approximation of their Northwestern heroes. "Little Things" is a successful rewrite of "Smells Like Teen Spirit" while "Machinehead" crunches like Pearl Jam and Soundgarden. In fact, the whole album feels like a throwback to 1992."

Here's a quote from a Rolling Stone review of "Razorblade Suitcase"

http://www.rollingstone.com/artists/bush/albums/album/242869/rid/5944129/

"Unfortunately, for all of their strained attempts at artistic credibility, Bush refuse to let go of the hackneyed posturing that catapulted them up the charts. As a songwriter, frontman Gavin Rossdale relies on nonsensical couplets like, "Do you feel the way you hate?/Do you hate the way you feel?" ("Greedy Fly"). It's bad enough that in "Straight No Chaser," Bush consciously ape the mallternative power-ballad format of their big hit "Glycerine" – but to name the former after the great jazz standard by Thelonious Monk is unbearably pretentious and insulting.

The band's derivative tendencies are everywhere: "Swallowed" borrows liberally from the Pixies' abrasive melodicism; "Synapse" looks a little too closely to PJ Harvey for inspiration. And let's not forget Nirvana – Rossdale's vocals in "Insect Kin" are a blurred xerox of Kurt Cobain's, just as the chord progression in "Mouth" uncomfortably recalls "Heart-Shaped Box." Moments like these make one wish that Bush would just accept their status as the Bon Jovi of grunge. When Rossdale sings, "We are servants to our formulaic ways," in "Greedy Fly," it hits a little too close to home. (RS 749)"

Here's an allmusic guide review for "Razorblade Suitcase"

http://www.allmusic.com/cg/amg.dll?p=amg&token=&sql=10:4gx7gj4ro6im

"Bush were criticized from most quarters of the music press for sounding too much like Nirvana on their debut album, Sixteen Stone, so in order to shed all of the comparisons, well, they hired producer Steve Albini (Nirvana, Pixies, PJ Harvey) and proceeded to record their own version of Nirvana's dark, difficult In Utero. Actually, Razorblade Suitcase, Bush's second album, cribs heavily from two of Albini's best productions, In Utero and Pixies' Surfer Rosa -- they even hired Vaughan Oliver, the designer behind Surfer Rosa, to do the artwork. Of course, relying so much on their idols only brings out Bush's weakness."

Additionally, critics have pointed out that Gavi Rossdale's lyrics are pretty awful.

Here's the lyrics from there song "Testosterone," to illustrate:

"i'm a man i'm real proud of my manhood i like to smoke then thousand cigarillos eight ball i could climb any fountian i never cry i only bawl whan i'm losing and i've never been wrong never been wrong i'm looking so good looking so good

got a big gold gun got a big gold bullet and i guess you could say i'm real full of it i'm real full of it i'm real straight you wanna see my peccadillos hot dog 7:30 every morning and i'm big into war

i am a whore i am a whore

got a big gold gun

i shave with gillette shave with gillette and i'm patting my back patting my back got a big gold bullet " —Preceding unsigned comment added by 199.2.242.169 (talk) 16:23, 12 May 2006 (UTC)
 * There was such section before, but it was erased for unknown reassons (god bless angsty edits). —Preceding unsigned comment added by 201.215.169.90 (talk) 20:49, 20 October 2006 (UTC)
 * Oh nose! They're "derivative", like the first caveman who copied the first caveman to grunt to two notes in rhythm?! You sound exactly like my friends who insist that Nirvana is no good because (well, this is my insinuation) they're way too popular to possibly be so. Fact is, music critics - especially those at Rolling Stone - have quite a history of trashing all the best music that come out.
 * Seriously, I can't even find the words to express how much contempt I have for your words (nothing personal). While I consider myself to be a little bit of a music snob (and the rest of my friends consider me to be quite a bit of one), I have quite a tendency to love that which is good (those being my own words, of course). If you can listen and pay attention to the album version (not the radio version) of Mouth and not find it brilliant, I don't know what to do with you.
 * "Sell the kids for food
 * Weather changes moods
 * Spring is here again
 * Reproductive glands" --Kurt Cobain, pretending to mean something
 * -- MQ Duck 21:22, 18 March 2009 (UTC)

go on a hiatus?
"Hiatus may refer to: hi‧a‧tus  /haɪˈeɪtəs/ Pronunciation Key - Show Spelled Pronunciation[hahy-ey-tuhs] Pronunciation Key - Show IPA Pronunciation –noun, plural -tus‧es, -tus. 1. a break or interruption in the continuity of a work, series, action, etc. 2. a missing part; gap or lacuna: Scholars attempted to account for the hiatus in the medieval manuscript. 3. any gap or opening. 4. Grammar, Prosody. the coming together, with or without break or slight pause, and without contraction, of two vowels in successive words or syllables, as in see easily. 5. Anatomy. a natural fissure, cleft, or foramen in a bone or other structure. [Origin: 1555–65; < L hiātus opening, gap, equiv. to hiā(re) to gape, open + -tus suffix of v. action] —Related forms hi‧a‧tal, adjective" Overally complicated; what is wrong with: "the band decided to split up."? From the definition above I am not sure - go on a hiatus - makes any sense. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Silversuffer (talk • contribs) 07:45, 9 October 2006 (UTC)
 * Dictionary.com Unabridged (v 1.0.1) - Cite This Source
 * Well, they didnt really split up, thats why we cant use that phrase. When a band breaks, they give a press release stating that they split and that they are all going solo now, that just didnt happend with Bush. Therefor: Hiatus —Preceding unsigned comment added by 201.215.169.90 (talk) 20:49, 20 October 2006 (UTC)

Equipment
Big Muff? I thought Gavin was famous for using a (or even several) Bixonic Expandora Distortion. I think he did use a big muff, but it should be the Expandora which gets the biggest mention. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 88.108.110.43 (talk) 11:31, 14 October 2006 (UTC)

What?
This article needs to be fixed. It is poorly written. Also, Linkin Park and Lifehouse aren't grunge. The former is nu-metal and the latter is alternative/post-grunge. There were no waves of grunge, it's not like punk rock. Sherlock32 05:24, 28 April 2007 (UTC)
 * The entire article needs serious cleanup, especially the section on the different albums - it's written very poorly. Some items are just patently false like "Grunge music did not at the time have a band whose sales were as big as pop artists..."; that is definitely not true as Nirvana's Nevermind knocked Michael Jackson's Dangerous off the top of the Billboard charts. --JD79 18:54, 19 May 2007 (UTC)
 * Moreover, the entire article is biased. After reading the article you feel like Bush was unfairly passed-over by the changing music scene, rather than their lack of talent as the true reason of their disappearance. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.239.96.162 (talk) 20:11, 11 June 2007 (UTC)
 * your posting has a lack of talent —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.246.153.125 (talk) 04:19, 25 June 2007 (UTC)

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Foo Fighters Grunge?
Foo fighters aren't close to resembling a grunge sound and are clearly an alternative/pop band.
 * your posting has a lack of talent —Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.169.80.191 (talk) 06:30, 2 July 2007 (UTC)

To the person who wrote above, I don't know what that has to do with anything. But check out the first two Foo Fighters albums. "This Is A Call" sounds closer to Nirvana than anything Bush ever did. Just sayin' 166.128.255.103 (talk) 20:24, 26 September 2008 (UTC)

Name Origin?
David Carson, the art director for Sixteen Stone, claims that he infact, suggested "Bush" as the band's name, though the article says otherwise.

"I was standing in my kitchen in Del Mar, at the sink, talking on the phone and I was telling a guy from the band Future Primitive that it was a really bad name. Then later when I am designing the sleeve he tells me that we have to mention his dog somewhere on the sleeve... and the dog is called Bush. So I suggested: there's your name." There are a few other meanings to the word." - David Carson

Here is the link to the quote, on David Carson's offical site.

http://www.davidcarsondesign.com/?dcdc=top/n&w=pin/work/_music/bush&r=1&dirf=works:music:Bush

Regrettably, I know very little about Bush, perhaps we can get a fan's educated opinion on the subject? TheFearedMachina (talk) 22:13, 19 December 2007 (UTC)

Severe NPOV Issues
The previous version read like a rather hysterical diatribe against grunge (nonsense like Pearl Jam being in decline after the failure of Vs. (!!), an album that set records with the speed at which it went platinum, and blaming the commercial failure of Razorblade Suitcase on Nirvana, since, you know, it just sounded too much like In Utero, which I guess the previous editor thought was a failure just like Vs., to be as wildly, astoundingly successful as Sixteen Stone. Removed superfluous references to Pearl Jam and Nirvana. Perhaps a section expounding upon Bush's critical reception would be warranted. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.218.202.206 (talk) 04:35, 12 January 2008 (UTC)

Clean up
If somebody wants to help me clean up the Bush pages tell me. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Be Black Hole Sun (talk • contribs) 19:43, 3 September 2008 (UTC)

Tour
"a Bush reunion tour would most likely be uncertain unless someone offers enough incentive."

"Would most likely be uncertain" says virtually nothing. "Most likely" and "uncertain" don't really belong together here. Does anyone know the exact words he used? The Jade Knight (talk) 13:12, 29 April 2009 (UTC)

Grunge
I have put them under Grunge because their early stuff and some of their later stuff was very Grunge and if you look its under Grunge. i hope thats ok? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.96.254.143 (talk) 13:56, 11 October 2009 (UTC)
 * As I have read through the history of revisions. It seemed you were the only person persistent enough to add and keep the genre, It was even reverted by different people. As for the starters of the comments Post Grunge?, I can't be sure if it's you or someone else, since it is left unsigned. You have sources? Present them. And don't use Allmusic, because they refer genres to bands that clearly aren't (ex. Mastodon, Alt. Metal).-- 猛禽22 •• 20:27, 9 November 2009 (UTC)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Everything_Zen look, a Grunge song and there are many more if you look! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.96.254.143 (talk) 18:50, 10 November 2009 (UTC)
 * You can't use Wikipedia pages as sources. Also, please, sign your comments.-- 猛禽22 •• 19:19, 10 November 2009 (UTC)

what?? that makes no sence?? you cant use wikipedia sorces?? your an idiot im with 81.96.254.143 on this one Megabar09 (talk) 18:35, 13 November 2009 (UTC) Oh and also i have found a sorce to back up Grunge http://music.msn.com/music/album-review/bush/sixteen-stone.2/ and i think Msn.com is a good sorce. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Megabar09 (talk • contribs) 18:39, 13 November 2009 (UTC)
 * Firstly, watch your tone, secondly, you should've been at discussion when the page was locked, which you have failed to do, third, you can't use Wikipedia as sources, see WP:SOURCE, fourth, I would like it if you find another source claiming they're grunge.-- 猛禽22 •• 19:03, 13 November 2009 (UTC)

I just sent you a sorce from Msn.com http://music.msn.com/music/album-review/bush/sixteen-stone.2/ here is is again. Megabar09 (talk) 19:21, 13 November 2009 (UTC)
 * I said find either find another source, or find someone else to back you up.-- 猛禽22 •• 19:18, 13 November 2009 (UTC)

What?? there are two of us, a sorce and you want more??? cant you just accept that they are Grunge?? and anyway this site says Grunge, Alternativehttp://www.torrentdownloads.net/torrent/512939/Bush+-+discography,+%5BLossy+-+Mp3+192+Kbps+CBR%5D+Grunge+-+Alternative+Rock and i dont see the problem? im keeping Post Grunge and Grunge and Grunge was there before this. Megabar09 (talk) 19:23, 13 November 2009 (UTC)
 * No, you're sockpuppeting, and that's a user contributed source.-- 猛禽22 •• 19:26, 13 November 2009 (UTC)

Oh ok then, ive got this one http://www.rollingstone.com/artists/bush that also says Grunge. Megabar09 (talk) 19:29, 13 November 2009 (UTC)
 * I normally don't get involved in these things, as it usually best for the protecting admin to keep some distance from the content dispute, but I think Rolling Stone is about as reliable a source as you're going to get for something like what genre a band is, and the linked article clearly refers to them as grunge, so I think the matter is settled. For future reference, it's a good idea to have sources lined up before making any change likely to be controversial, and edit warring is never acceptable. Beeblebrox (talk) 20:00, 13 November 2009 (UTC)
 * Well in my opinion, there grunge because they were formed in 1992, and grunge bands were still touring than, like pearl jame, nirvana, soundgarden, and the grunge movment kinda died when kurt died. And kurt died in 1994, so there grunge. --JBrocksthehouse (talk) 21:04, 17 January 2010 (UTC)
 * Their later albums were post-grunge, so removing that genre is fruitless. Don't use original research telling us they are not post-grunge.-- 猛禽22 •• 21:12, 17 January 2010 (UTC)

http://www.spirit-of-metal.com/liste_groupe-style-Grunge-l-en.html. also ive given up on arguing that there grunge. So it doesnt matter to me. So if you find that this counts than ok. --JBrocksthehouse (talk) 04:44, 18 January 2010 (UTC) Although, I suppose they performed in the post-grunge era longer than the grunge era. They are not grunge or even post-grunge. And, Glycerin is a ridiculous knockoff of Lithium. More like derivative pop.Arlesd (talk) 21:20, 6 September 2011 (UTC)
 * Oh ok. i get it. i just dont listen to other things from bush after there first two albums. ok. --JBrocksthehouse (talk) 01:04, 18 January 2010 (UTC)
 * Ok. I dont know if this helps, and it probably doesnt. But i found a website that lists them as grunge and says nothing about post-grunge.
 * Why is it that they are categorized as a post-grunge band when they formed in midst of the grunge era-(mid-1980's to 1995)? Is it because they're not from Seattle? XD
 * They are absolutely Grunge. Anyone who grew up in the 90's can easily tell you this, and it's because they have the ear to distinguish the sound. The only thing that would discount them is that they are not from Seattle.  Although I do believe Seattle does play a factor, this alone is not enough to strike them from the Grunge genre. Many things technically about the instrumentals and vocals are Grunge, and not post-grunge, but straight up Grunge.--Mapsfly (talk) 02:39, 20 December 2018 (UTC)

A live cd
heres the link to back that up http://www.rollingstone.com/artists/bush/albums/album/8732575/zen_x_four --JBrocksthehouse (talk) 04:52, 18 January 2010 (UTC)
 * just to let the people of wiki know, i added a new album in the albums area. Zen X Four is a live version of there sixteen stone album.
 * Unless if there is no discography article present, non-Studio albums don't belong in the main page, more information on the band's discography can be found in the discography page.-- 猛禽22 •• 05:10, 18 January 2010 (UTC)

Removed song "Adrenaline" from section "Films"
I just removed "Adrenaline" from the list of songs performed by Bush, which stated that the band had performed the soundtrack "Adrenaline" in the movie xXx. It was however performed by Gavin Rossdale.

It can be seen under track listings at amazon http://www.amazon.com/XXX-Various-Artists/dp/B00006BTCM Another one at imdb http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0295701/soundtrack

The wiki page for xXx is consistent with the above information. pranavkpr 11:11, 23 October 2010 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Pranavkpr (talk • contribs)

Dead external links to Allmusic website – January 2011
Since Allmusic have changed the syntax of their URLs, 1 link(s) used in the article do not work anymore and can't be migrated automatically. Please use the search option on http://www.allmusic.com to find the new location of the linked Allmusic article(s) and fix the link(s) accordingly, prefereably by using the Allmusic template. If a new location cannot be found, the link(s) should be removed. This applies to the following external links: --CactusBot (talk) 10:50, 2 January 2011 (UTC)
 * http://www.allmusic.com/cg/amg.dll?p=amg&sql=B39klu3egan1k

Their Name
The third paragraph is about their name and it is incomplete. The first sentence says, "The group chose the name "Bush" because, as stated by Gavin Rossdale." The rest paragraph describes what their name is NOT about but there is no description of how the name actually came to be. This page : http://onesecondbush.com/bush/biography/ has some info on the name but isn't quite complete. Regardless, this paragraph needs to be completed. Vince Klortho (talk) 21:39, 24 July 2012 (UTC)

On Guitar Center Sessions with Nic Harcourt on Audience TV (8/13/2012): During an interview with Gavin Nic asked him how he came up with the name Bush and Gavin stated "No, it wasn't from Shephard's Bush"... "it was from my two favorite inspirations". However, he did not reveal who those inspirations were and I am not sure if that broadcast session can be found online. Cielle55 (talk) 16:52, 16 August 2012 (UTC)cielle55

bush invented emo, as the term is used in popular press
it's true. admit it. bush were simultaneously the end of grunge and the beginning of emo. they created the template for it. now, somebody write it up. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 198.48.181.129 (talk) 15:47, 15 March 2014 (UTC)