Talk:Businesses and organizations in Second Life

Substantially out of date
This article is so extensively out of date that mere editing is unlikely to be sufficient to correct it. At a quick read through I can barely see one single business listed here that I can say 'oh that still exists' about. Not only are most of the named real-world business not in Second Life anymore, but neither are any of their (former) clients - a causal relationship incidentally, but I mention this because it's so out of date on so many levels it's become recursively out of date. I understand why this article was locked but possibly it's now archaic nature is one side effect of having done that.

I agree with a previous poster, this page should be dropped completely and replaced with a reference to Linden Labs published list of real world businesses working in Second Life (http://solutionproviders.secondlife.com/) which is (relatively) up to date. With no criteria to establish if a virtual business is actually trading in-world, I agree that section be deleted and no attempt to replace it be made.

★ Rockett Man 08:27, 7 March 2010 (UTC)

Old section
Content for this page really should come from / be directed to Linden Lab's official listing of developers found at: http://secondlife.com/developers/

and sub-links:

http://secondlife.com/developers/fullservice.php http://secondlife.com/developers/consultants.php http://secondlife.com/devdown/

In addition, there's thousands of in-world businesses... while above I listed links for developer companies, this disregards hosts of in-world businesses that are thriving. Ultimately, the job of selecting what businesses to include and what to exclude will be like trying to sort out businesses on the regular WWW Internet.

So, food for thought - this whole page might possibly be able to disappear and be replaced on the main SL page with some links to web pages outside Wikipedia.

-rtblechner ---


 * This article is purposefully setup to disregard the "thousands of in-world businesses" that are not legal entities in the "real world".
 * Signpostmarv 14:18, 7 January 2007 (UTC)


 * You'll probably find that the most appropriate action to take with regards to this article is to have an article written, or have the appropriate article modified for each company in this article, nuke the article and replace it with a category.
 * Signpostmarv 17:36, 7 January 2007 (UTC)

This article needs to stay limited to businesses for which we have reliable secondary sources -- press releases, web sites of the businesses themselves, and minor blogs don't count. Night Gyr (talk/Oy) 04:12, 8 January 2007 (UTC)


 * To which sources are you referring when you say "minor blogs" ?
 * Signpostmarv 10:05, 8 January 2007 (UTC)
 * Personal ones of people without a reputation, blogs of the companies themselves, etc. Ones like the Reuters blog are obviously reputable, but someguy.blogspot.com doesn't have much credibility. Night Gyr (talk/Oy) 15:55, 8 January 2007 (UTC)
 * Ah, I think I misunderstood what you were saying. I thought you were referring to specific sources currently in the references section.
 * Signpostmarv 16:37, 8 January 2007 (UTC)

Split entry?
This page could be split in two for businesses operated entirely inside SL and those with an SL presence.Ms medusa 21:13, 29 January 2007 (UTC)


 * The alternative would be to:
 * push the list of Businesses and Organisations Operating in Second Life out into a Category (e.g. Category:Businesses and Organisations operating in Second Life, adding the information held in the article to the relevant Wiki article, creating stubs for those that do not currently have articles.
 * Category:Businesses and Organisations originating from Second Life would then be used for the top list- ESC and Aimee Weber Studio Inc. are on my to-do list, Anshe Chung already has an article, SLLA had theirs nuked a while back, the others could be stubbed.
 * Move blurbs and #REDIRECT Economy of Second Life
 * Signpostmarv 13:32, 30 January 2007 (UTC)


 * The idea of a category of (real world) businesses operating in 2nd life would be a good one. Leaving this article for only those originating from 2nd life. Ms medusa 16:12, 30 January 2007 (UTC)

SLLA removal
The SLLA was removed from the list because none of the associated websites give any evidence of it being a legally registered entity anywhere.

Signpostmarv 13:07, 2 February 2007 (UTC)


 * Also note that the SLLA's wiki article was deleted for lack of significance issues methinx.
 * Signpostmarv 16:21, 2 February 2007 (UTC)


 * Its getting 961 hits on Google
 * http://www.google.co.uk/search?q=%22Second+Life+Liberation+Army%22&hl=en&start=90&sa=N Ms medusa 17:54, 2 February 2007 (UTC)


 * I Get 11,400- on that basis, I should have a wiki article documenting my avatar, or a mention on the Residents article.
 * If you're using Google results as a scale of inclusion:
 * Electric Sheep Company have 250,000 results.
 * Anshe Chung Studios gets 16,600 results.
 * Aimee Weber Studio gets only 610 results.
 * This shows that using google results as a scale of inclusion is a bad idea, because;
 * 961 results is a tiny, tiny number compared to ESC and Anshe Chung (0.003844% and 0.058% respectively).
 * The activities of Aimee Weber Studio Inc. are a lot more notable than those of myself or SLLA.
 * The gist of the afd discussion was that the group wasn't notable enough. Notability aside, this article is only for legally registered entities only. If you can find proof that the SLLA are legally recognised in the state of California (read the SL TOS for why I say California), then they should be on the list.
 * However, I don't believe they are a legal entity, hence why they should not be in this list.
 * Signpostmarv 19:09, 2 February 2007 (UTC)


 * Eh? I think 900 odd google hits is sufficient evidence of notability for inclusion on a page documenting organisations and business in 2nd life, although I would agree, perhaps not an entire article.


 * "this article is only for legally recognised entities only" - says who? Ms medusa 00:05, 3 February 2007 (UTC)


 * If the article wasn't restricted to legally recognised entities, then the list would be absolutely colossal! There are thousands of legally unrecognised businesses/organisations within Second Life, and the "Originating from Second Life" section in this article is not the place to list them. However, maybe another section needs to be created (or another article) to list the most notable entities which aren't legally recognised? &mdash;Slowspace 00:44, 3 February 2007 (UTC)


 * That would be the job of the SL History project. If something isn't notable enough to mention there, it isn't notable enough to mention here.
 * Signpostmarv 00:49, 3 February 2007 (UTC)

SLLA have recently fallen apart - the committe who run the organisation have, almost to an AV, deserted it after they seemingly found out it was a front for LL through a businessman who goes by the AV name of Marshal Cahill.

Removal of SLLU
They get one mention in the Guardian article, as a group- which without any further context indicates it's an in-world group only, meaning it shouldn't be listed on this article.


 * 1) No evidence of being a legally recognised entity
 * 2) Non-notable

Signpostmarv 09:49, 6 February 2007 (UTC)


 * Its associated with the Scottish Socialist Party although I dont believe its a legal entity in its own right (relevance?)
 * It gets 700 odd hits on Google including mentions in major newspapers; virtual world, UK and international.
 * Will add further references when I have some time.
 * Ms medusa 10:14, 6 February 2007 (UTC)


 * What evidence is there to associate SLLU with the Scottish Socialist Party ?
 * As discussed in, the number of google hits are mostly irrelevant to the notability of an entity.
 * Signpostmarv 17:18, 6 February 2007 (UTC)


 * As a reminder, Wikipedia has very strict rules on notability, and numbers of search results on Google is not a suitable metric for notability. For example, searching Google for "some" returns over a billion results, but that doesn't mean that "some" should have its own Wikipedia article! &mdash;Slowspace 00:37, 7 February 2007 (UTC)


 * If the SLLU is a part of the Scottish Socialist Party, then it is the Scottish Socialist Party that should be listed, not the SLLU.
 * Signpostmarv 10:33, 7 February 2007 (UTC)

SLLU have recently announced, to continue with their project of uniting the left, they are supporting events organised by other leftist groups - and helping promote those. They have also announced a "Cre-8 Garden" -Isla Montevideo (41, 185, 32) - in response to the G8. This seems to ba a place where people can add a flower/ candle/ tribute to the victims of Globalisation.

In response to those who said SLLU was a front for Scottish Socialist Party - this cannot be true - but in their group charter, they do mention the fact that it was members of the SSP who originally thought of creating a left unity project on SL - but SLLU has become something more than that.

I think it is appalling that SLLU have been removed from this entry - SLLU have been one of the most active political organisations in second life, and have been mentioned in the Guardian, members have been interviewed by Channel 4 News (UK), CNN and various French, Danish, German etc newspapers. SLLU are currently facilitating "White Ribbon" campaign set up on SL - as well as Information Clearing House - and helped facilitate the recent IBM strike that led to the Italian CEO of IBM having to resign.

They have also set up freebie shops and are announcing a "left hub" in the near future. Their blog is http://slleftunity.blogspot.com

Their charter has recently changed to take out references to the Scottish Socialist Party as SLLU is now a world wide organisation with 220 active members. A Google search for SLLU throws up hundreds of relevent online documents.

This entry for wikipedia has become nothing but an advertisement for commercial organisations - nothing to do with what really goes on in SL.

9th November 2007 —Preceding unsigned comment added by 212.219.249.8 (talk) 16:08, 9 November 2007 (UTC)

GT
Hey Signpost, Gigs Taggart is a registered fictitious name sole proprietorship. It's not a separate legal entity, but it's sure a business. Your call. I won't add it myself because of the obvious conflict of interest. Gigs 00:08, 5 September 2007 (UTC)
 * Additionally, my company is somewhat notable for being one of the very few listed under "software developers"... those determined by LL to be providers of open source client patches commercially. Gigs 00:11, 5 September 2007 (UTC)

Contains Slander & incorrect information
On "SL Investor's Bank" is incorrect information and slander, calling spammer etc. This is most likely done by a known griefer (Nobody Fugazi/Taran Rampersad) who has a fixation on this particular business, and habit of bad mouthing where ever possible. (Ironically, this person has been caught in action from spamming and extortion himself!)

Furthermore, it is not anymore a bank, since the banning of banks in Second Life, and is now called SL International Business. When the ban came into effect, SLIB was 2nd biggest bank in Second Life. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Tyriancamilo (talk • contribs) 22:57, 19 January 2008 (UTC)

Bank shutdown
I'm adding this upstream, but someone should update this article with -- `Kendrick7talk 22:59, 23 January 2008 (UTC)

Categorisation?
This article would benefit from some categorisation, at the moment it simply reads as a list of random businesses/orgs. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Ms medusa (talk • contribs) 01:34, 25 January 2008 (UTC)

New Voice
i would insert some new voices but the page is semiprotected, so i'm writing here, how can i modify it?

The voices inside "Operated inside Second Life":

Enel launched his own island in Second life in July 2007, Enel Park; he can show now power plants projects under construction in real life, moto and racing circuit, movie theater, contest and engaging games, commercial area and various offices. Enel Park show how will be the future of energy and the prospective of a real sustainable development. On the Hydrogen Park, thanks to Enel official sponsor of Ducati Bike, all users can drive a moto with the real sound of its engine.

Starlife Srl is a consulting company wich provides a full - service of development in virtual world. The company also opened his own bases on Starlife Island in Second Life, where he has organized and promoted big event Like Festa del Cinema, Forum PA award and Rome fiction festival. Starlife has realized Enel Park island for Enel SpA. thank you --85.18.162.249 (talk) 09:28, 31 March 2008 (UTC)

clean-up, as per discussions
The past two AFDs both called for a strong cleanup of this article. See here and here. So there has been a consensus to proceed with a clean-up, ending with this version of the article. Feel free to expand the list. However, I'd add two cautionary notes: This should not be an exhaustive list of every organization in the game, but a summary with a few notable examples. Randomran (talk) 21:39, 18 December 2008 (UTC)
 * Avoid using this list to link to non-notable external sites. See WP:LINKFARM and WP:ADVERT.
 * Avoid using this list to promote organizations that were just made up in the game world. See WP:MADEUP.

Edit Request
I see this page has become 'Semi-protected' with a fandango in place to request edits. I am not 'autoconfirmed' and the process for 'Request Permissions' doesn't seem to have a category for simple edits, only various 'power user' type roles, so I hope this entry will achieve the intended result. The requested edit is to add the following to the section "Originating from Second Life".

Advanced Virtual UK based full service design and construction company[1][2][3] with a specialism in machinima.

[1] Website http://www.advancedvirtual.com

[2] Second Life Solution Provider listing http://solutionproviders.secondlife.com/provider/show/id/115

[3] The Independent (newspaper article) http://www.independent.co.uk/news/business/sustainit/the-new-tools-of-trade-1605552.html

—Preceding unsigned comment added by Frankrockett (talk • contribs) 18:25, 16 December 2009

Not done: The section about Advanced Virtual seems to have been removed last December by someone trying to clean up the problems with the article to avoid having the article deleted. The deletion discussions centered around "WP:NOT, including WP:NOT, WP:NOT, WP:NOT, WP:NOT and WP:NOT." You should read those, but the key is that wiki isn't an indiscriminate collection of stuff, so we must have some criteria for inclusion. One that I have often seen used successfully in other articles is notability, as evidenced by having a Wikipedia article. If I were you, I would write an article on Advanced Virtual. As a side benefit, that would allow you to complete another five edits, which is all that stands between you and being autoconfirmed. Celestra (talk) 21:35, 16 December 2009 (UTC)

Also, please add Programming Weapons, makers of the Sword C++ Unit Testing software at http://www.progweap.com/ in Second Life at http://slurl.com/secondlife/Fermi/219/245/24 —Preceding unsigned comment added by Qmuser (talk • contribs) 18:24, 5 May 2010

Not done: Welcome. Please read the response above for links to the applicable policies and guideline, but the basic problem is notability. Sorry, Celestra (talk) 23:19, 5 May 2010 (UTC)

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