Talk:Butt (surname)

No Merge
I don't see how the two are related. BK 7:06 UST 28/10/2008 —Preceding unsigned comment added by 58.27.158.22 (talk) 13:07, 28 October 2008 (UTC)

Butt & Bhatt
So far from what I've read, there are no differences between Butt and Bhatt, I just assume people spell it differently. Butt in Pakistan and Bhatt in India. It is the same surname, and gets the same treatment.

BK2006 3:10 UST December 1 2009

Re:Butt & Bhaat
The use of surname Butt in pakistani punjab actually is quite complex and is beyond the understanding of indians. The Butt is not seen just as surname in pakistan punjab, but it has become a collective self-identification of kashmiri muslim immigrants to pakistani punjab somewhere in the 19th century, even though these kashmiri muslim immirants were of diverse origin and have had various surnames like Butt, Dar, lone, mir, wani etc., but for some reason the kashmiri surname Butt got so much popularity in pakistani Punjab that it was used by local punjabis as a collective identity of kashmiri muslim immigrants in punjab. Most of the people using this surname Butt in pakistani punjab do so to identify their kashmiri ancestory, but off course there would be hundreds of thousands of those for whom Butt was also their actual suname but for the others it has been adopted as a synonym for their kashmiri identity. Presently in Pakistan Butt = Kashmiri ancestory, it is just like Khan = Pashtun ancestory. A main name is Daniyaal Butt. Daniyaal Butt is a common name = A man that has sharp features, tall, handsome and very light skinned. That is why there are kashmiri Butts in pakistan who are snow white and have sharp features just like afghans and pashtuns and then there are those using surname Butt who are very dark. In general Kashmiri Butts (or simply kashmiri immigrants) in Gujranwala, Gujrat, Wazirabad , Sialkot are mostly fair skinned and have sharp features, tall in height and are in most cases either rural farmers or urban business men. Rural kashmiris of Gujranwala, Gujrat, Wazirabad, Sialkot seem to be descentdants of those rural kashmiri immigrants who opted to live in villages because their ancestors back in kashmir were also villagers and do agriculture and are mostly sharp featured have light skin and are tall.

On the other hand Lahori Kashmiri Butts seem to be quite impure and a lot of times do not have sharp features and light skin, which is typical of rural kashmiris Butts of Gujranwala, Wazirabad and Gujrat. Thus it seems like Kashmiri Butts of lahore in many cases have absorbed non-kashmiri Blood from locals, as it is plausible since there were people in Lahore before the arrival of kashmiri Butts with surname like Bhaat, as is apparent from famous Bhaati Gate in lahore who might have started calling themselves Butt to mix with original kashmiri Butts,. End of the story

( Muhammad Usman Butt, an original rural kashmiri from Wazirabad Gujranwala Pakistan) dated 05-02-2009 —Preceding unsigned comment added by 134.105.224.142 (talk • contribs)

misconception regarding Kashmiri Butt
Butts are basically Kashmiri Pandits who’s migrated from Kashmir. I am Kashmiri Butt living in Lahore, Punjab, Pakistan. My grand fathers are Kashmiri Pandits. They were two Kashmiri Pandit brothers and migrate at the time of partition of India and Pakistan. One migrates to India and one migrates to Lahore and later practicing Islam.  It’s true that surname Butt in Punjab Pakistan actually self-identification of Kashmiri Muslim immigrants to Punjab Pakistan, either they are Kashmiri Pandits or not, which is wrong. It is just due to so much popularity of the surname Butt in Punjab Pakistan.

There is also misconception in local Punjabis they use Butt surname as a collective identity of Kashmiri Muslim immigrants in Punjab. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Baitulilmschool (talk • contribs) 10:49, 14 February 2009 (UTC)

Reply
This is not history of butt family.. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 185.13.106.115 (talk) 22:58, 25 February 2018 (UTC)

You are absolutely right, the surname Butt in Upper Pakistani Punjab has become just a synonym for someone whose ancestors have migrated from Kashmir (Kashir) valley. Eventhough in its essence Butt is a distortion of Bhat and back in kashmir if your surname is Butt/Bhat you are surely a kashmiri Pandit descendant. I just see a lot of my kashmiri relatives adopting surname Butt over their original kashmiri surname like Dar, Lone etc. It is true that Butt, Dar, Lone etc. do have more or less common origin back in kashmir, but you must keep one thing in mind that this has mostly been done by local punjabis that they wrongly used Butt for almost all kashmiris and started saying oh you all have similar skin tone and features so do not mind.

I suppose people back in kashmir would be surprised that how come there are so many kashmiri Butt in punjab whereas other kashmiri surnames like Dar, Lone, Wani, Mir etc are quite few in number, so I want to inform all of them that use of suname Butt among kashmiris in Punjab is quite loose, and over the generations many kashmiris in punjab have lost their original surnames in favor of surname Butt. It is right or wrong, but the thing is that for kashmiris like Butt, Dar, Lone etc. Butt has become more or less a collective-identity over the generations here in upper Punjab Pakistan.

(Muhammad Usman Butt, Wazirabad Gujranwala Pakistan) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 134.105.224.142 (talk) 12:06, 17 February 2009 (UTC)

Merge Kashmiri and English surname Butt
I think done a great job, to combine Kashmiri and English surname Butt. I read article as a whole and find authentic information. Because I belong to Kashmiri Butt family and gather too much information from my parents and grand parents about our origin. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Baitulilmschool (talk • contribs) 11:02, 14 February 2009 (UTC)

This merge makes no sense at all! The south asian and native english versions of the name have two completely different origins! They are two different topics that happen to be spelt in the same way. They should be split up and disambiguated like any other two topics spelt in the same way. Obviously the south asian name is the most notable, so it should get precedence, with an article on the native english name just being a list of notable "butts".--86.135.10.9 (talk) 02:55, 18 June 2009 (UTC)

French word "but"
It does not mean "target", it means "goal". Target would be "cible" in french.

Source : French as first language

142.195.251.128 (talk) 20:06, 29 November 2017 (UTC)


 * First language or not, you'll need to provide a better source. Thanks. Martinevans123 (talk) 20:11, 29 November 2017 (UTC)