Talk:Butterfly (Crazy Town song)

Track listing
The copy I own has five tracks, not two, and a different cover. Said tracks include:


 * Notes

∗Contains a sample from "Pretty Little Ditty" (Flea, John Frusciante, Anthony Kiedis, Chad Smith) Screen Gems–EMI Music Publishing (BMI)/Moebetoblame Music (BMI), as recorded by the Red Hot Chili Peppers, courtesy of and under license from Capitol/EMI (America) records.

∗∗Remix by Jazzy Jim & Ricky Brown for Straight Hits Entertainment mixed by Larry Funk

††Remixed by Justin Warfield and Jay Baumgarner remixed at NRG Studios (North Hollywood, CA) additional guitars: Squirrel

A&R: Tim Devine

All previously unreleased except †taken from the Columbia release The Gift of Game (63654)

allixpeeke (talk) 02:09, 27 April 2014 (UTC)

Single cover
The copy I own has a different cover than the one depicted here, as well as three tracks not listed here. Here is what the cover of the version I own looks like. allixpeeke (talk) 04:30, 27 April 2014 (UTC)

"Pretty Little Ditty" reference from Wilkening source
There has been some confusion about music critic Matthew Wilkening's writing about this song. As excerpted in the article, he said "Think you like this? Sure you don't really like the song where it came from better?" However, with the phrase "song where it came from" he included a hyperlink to a recording of "Pretty Little Ditty" (by the Red Hot Chili Peppers) on YouTube. Thus, he is clearly asserting that "Pretty Little Ditty" is the "song where it ['Butterfly'] came from". This assertion was not preserved in the process of quoting Wilkening, making his meaning unclear when in fact it was quite clear in the original source. I would like to edit the article to more accurately reflect Wilkening's statement; please suggest how this may be done without causing anyone to miss the fact that the identification of "Pretty Little Ditty" comes from him.

Side note: The sampling of "Pretty Little Ditty" should probably be mentioned even earlier, since it's a noticeable component of the composition. I just thought the most obvious place to start with would be where a source had already brought it up.

Thanks for your thoughts. Jerodast (talk) 22:06, 9 June 2014 (UTC)

Genre
Please don't removed a sourced genre. Genre is subjective, so we need take in multiple points of view on the topic. If there is a controversial statement, its better to expand on it with prose opposed to just removing statements. Andrzejbanas (talk) 16:31, 10 May 2018 (UTC)
 * The song consists of a hip-hop drum beat, samples from a Chili Peppers song, and DJ scratching. Objectively, the sources for nu metal are wrong. There is nothing nu metal about this song. Genre is not subjective. Also, Complex is a better source because it is an authority on hip-hop. It is a hip-hop magazine. The sources for nu metal are lists put together by people who didn't listen to the song. What you are doing isn't even opinion, it is just being wrong. 166.182.86.110 (talk) 19:34, 10 May 2018 (UTC)
 * "The sources for nu metal are lists put together by people who didn't listen to the song.", interesting, do you have proof for this? Andrzejbanas (talk) 13:34, 11 May 2018 (UTC)
 * As for opinions on sources being wrong, per WP:SUBJECTIVE, For "Wikipedia articles about art and other creative topics [...] it is appropriate to note how an artist or a work has been received by prominent experts and the general public.[...] Articles should provide an overview of the common interpretations of a creative work, preferably with citations to experts holding that interpretation. Verifiable public and scholarly critiques provide useful context for works of art." Which is what we have done. removing some genre because others disagree would be incorrect. Andrzejbanas (talk) 16:37, 11 May 2018 (UTC)
 * IT'S A HIP-HOP SONG PRODUCED BY HIP-HOP PRODUCTION TECHNIQUES THAT SOUNDS NOTHING LIKE NU METAL AND THE MAJORIRY OF SOURCEA REFER TO TGE SONG AS HIP HOP. STOP TRYING TO PUSH YOUR AGENDA WHEN IT COMPLETELY CONFLICTS WITH THE SOURCES AND EVIDENCE. THE SONG SOUNDS NOTHING LIKE NU METAL. WHAT IS WRONG WITH YOU? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 166.182.82.104 (talk) 03:12, 12 May 2018 (UTC)


 * see talk page. make a discussion, for the record, I mostly agree with you, but we don't pick and choose sources. It would be wrong to ignore a source, even if we disagree with it. Also, spamming youtube links is not going to make me convinced you are taking this seriously. As for having a hip hop production group, Rick Rubin has produced several genres, but they don't become part of that genre. You need reliable sources and consider multiple points of view. Andrzejbanas (talk) 03:26, 12 May 2018 (UTC)
 * Reliable sources like the 8 reliable sources you removed for the opinion of two unreliabile sources?
 * Picking and choosing sources like what you are doing?

There's 8 sources. The song doesn't feature the band. The rappera from the group and the DJ made it. Largely cobsists of a sample loop. It is not nu metal. Your sources are bad. Stop edit warring. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 166.182.82.104 (talk) 03:28, 12 May 2018 (UTC)

WHICH ONE OF THE 8 SOURCES YOU REMOVED IS UNRELIABLE??? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 166.182.82.104 (talk) 03:36, 12 May 2018 (UTC)
 * I removed excess sources per Citation overkill. Multiple sources are not the way to go, try expanding the genre in prose. No one wants to hunt through statements like that. Andrzejbanas (talk) 03:50, 12 May 2018 (UTC)
 * I've expanded on the sources, which most of them declare it a mixture or hip hop. so both should be applied. Some were unreliable, as one appeared to be a blog, others were just discussing charts, and not the song itself. Please read your sources, not just googling words and copying and pasting URLs. Andrzejbanas (talk) 04:52, 12 May 2018 (UTC)
 * IPs have been suspected as . 183.171.122.70 (talk) 04:07, 28 August 2018 (UTC)

Well, I think this discussion should be rea ssurected after all these years... SlamDunk1997 (talk) 23:32, 8 May 2022 (UTC)

I've reverted this edit by IP editor 164.177.73.18 because of the following reasons: 1. Citation overkill, like what User:Andrzejbanas mentioned above; 2. quite a number of the sources used are not reliable secondary sources, like Shazam, Lyrics Layers and last.fm for example. If you want to re-add these genres again, maybe consider using 1 or 2 sources per genre instead, and pick the sources that are secondary ones. — AP 499D25  (talk)  07:48, 2 July 2024 (UTC)