Talk:Bx12 bus

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Wrong title
Kew Gardens 613 has twice now reverted moves that would bring this article in line with the Wikipedia policy WP:PRECISION. It should not be a Good Article until it follows that policy. See also Naming conventions (US stations)/NYC Subway RfC -- JHunterJ (talk) 14:31, 31 March 2020 (UTC)
 * , that is normally true, but this is not a subway article. The vast majority of NYC buses use the naming convention XX (New York City bus) where XX is the bus route, because there are other subjects with that name. This is because they all follow the convention of a single-letter prefix followed by a number, e.g. "B1", "M1", "Q1", or "S40", which is generally pretty common. I think this is the only page with a disambiguator that is non-ambiguous, out of over a hundred articles about NYC bus routes. For consistency with other pages, it might be preferable to keep the disambiguator for this page. epicgenius (talk) 14:41, 31 March 2020 (UTC)
 * That is always true; the subway topic is just illustrative of the arguments that are going to come up here and the reasons why policy still wins over them. No, the consistency argument is incorrect; it was trotted out and rejected in the subway RfC too (and in every other topic group that mistakes disambiguating qualifiers for necessary parts of all titles). WP:PRECISION, WP:LOCALCONCENSUS apply here as well as the rest of the encyclopedia. But I guess we'll just have to have yet another RfC for each topic group that thinks the policies don't apply to it unless they agree first. -- JHunterJ (talk) 16:53, 31 March 2020 (UTC)
 * Yes, if you want to ram this through, you will need another RfC.--Kew Gardens 613 (talk) 17:08, 31 March 2020 (UTC)
 * The ramming-through of the incorrect title has already been done. The RfC would be to once again find that WP:PRECISION is indeed Wikipedia policy and WP:LOCALCONSENSUS still applies. -- JHunterJ (talk) 19:36, 31 March 2020 (UTC)
 * WP:PRECISION says Exceptions to the precision criterion may sometimes result from the application of some other naming criteria. This can be codified in an RFC that deals with the one or two articles that violate this precision criterion, which is not needed, or an RM, which is more appropriate. Furthermore, one can argue that "Bx12" is an insufficient title to identify the article, since it is only two letters and two numbers. Hence, a title like "Bx12 bus" or "Bx12 (New York City bus)" would be much better, and preferred. epicgenius (talk) 19:41, 31 March 2020 (UTC)
 * Also, as I said the last time this was brought up, I would prefer "Bx12 bus" over "Bx12", if it came to that. I don't really care whether it has a disambiguator or not. As long as there is something in the page title that makes it clear that the Bx12 is a bus route, then the disambiguation isn't necessary anymore. However, I can see why the version with the qualifier "New York City bus" may be preferred. epicgenius (talk) 21:43, 31 March 2020 (UTC)
 * Epicgenius stated my reasoning for reverting the moves. You knew, given the Subway RfC, that moves like this are contentious, and yet you did not bother to bring up your concern to the talk page before moving the article.--Kew Gardens 613 (talk) 15:38, 31 March 2020 (UTC)
 * And you knew, given the WP:PRECISION link, that there has been no discussion on the title and that the qualified title goes contrary to Wikipedia policy, and you have reverted two other users instead of bringing it up on the talk page. -- JHunterJ (talk) 16:53, 31 March 2020 (UTC)

Requested move 19 April 2020

 * The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion. 

The result of the move request was: Page moved. (closed by non-admin page mover) Jerm (talk) 19:29, 6 May 2020 (UTC)

Bx12 (New York City bus) → Bx12 bus – WP:PRECISION. there's no ambiguity for this title, and pursuing consistency in disambiguating phrases for the sake of consistency has been rejected by the community throughout various topic projects, most recently Naming conventions (US stations)/NYC Subway RfC. All the reasons there apply here too. Appending "bus" per eventual result of Talk:Bx15 bus JHunterJ (talk) 12:15, 19 April 2020 (UTC) —Relisting. buidhe 19:34, 27 April 2020 (UTC)
 * Support per nom, I see no reason for the disambiguation. – Brandon XLF  (talk) 05:09, 1 May 2020 (UTC)
 * Support. As the nom says, no need to disambiguate. While the proposed title is concise, it is also descriptive. epicgenius (talk) 16:17, 5 May 2020 (UTC)


 * The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.