Talk:By any means necessary/Archive 1

Non-Malcolm references
I'm inclined to remove reference to the band who's name is not even the title of this article. I'm a little unsure of leaving the link to Babylon-5 here, but if this page becomes a proper disambiguation page, then I guess it's ok. Comments are appreciated. ScottW 03:04, 29 April 2006 (UTC)


 * I wouldn't miss the link to the album. It would make more sense for the album to link back here, but it hasn't got an article. -GTBacchus(talk) 04:20, 29 April 2006 (UTC)


 * Ok, it's gone. ScottW 13:23, 29 April 2006 (UTC)

Improving the page
So now that I've voted keep on the AfD discussion, I feel somewhat obligated to make this page more useful. I'm working on a couple of other articles at the moment, so I can't get to it right away. As it stands, the article does little more than break down the entomology of the phrase. However, "by any means necessary" means much more than the words itself. When I have time, I plan to rework this page so that it illustrates the meaning of this phrase in the context of the United States civil rights movement. In the meantime, any input or edits toward this effort are welcome. ScottW 00:30, 30 April 2006 (UTC)

French
Could we have the original French for this phrase? JFW | T@lk  22:46, 17 November 2007 (UTC)

The section about BAMN in Michigan
There is a section beneath Malcolm X's use of this phrase which I find to be possible POV, and is not referenced at all. I think the issue would be somewhat controversial, so this is somewhere we really need references. Also, per Wikipedia guidelines, original research, that is, adding new information that has not been published by a reliable source elsewhere is an entry violation. I recommend deleting the Michigan addition unless someone can reference it and make sure it is NPOV. Nam1123 (talk) 00:25, 8 January 2008 (UTC)

Disambiguate?
In the AfD discussion it was proposed that this page be changed into a disambiguation page. My thinking is that the Malcolm stuff should be moved to By any means necessary (Malcolm X) and the rest can remain in the disambiguation page or removed. If no one has an objection to this, I can take care of it. ScottW 13:28, 29 April 2006 (UTC)


 * Per Disambiguation, I don't see why we don't let the Malcolm X content stay at "By any means necessary" with an Otheruses template pointing to a disambiguation page. Unless we think that as many people will be looking for the Babylon 5 episode as the Malcolm X quote... -GTBacchus(talk) 16:35, 29 April 2006 (UTC)


 * Yeah, your way makes more sense. I've created the disambiguation page and moved the non-Malcoln content over there. This is my first attempt at a disambiguation page, so if I've missed something along the way, feel free to let me know. Thanks for your input. ScottW 00:26, 30 April 2006 (UTC)


 * I cleaned up the dab page a little bit. There are all these different ways to handle disambiguation, and if this turns out not to have been the best one, someone at WikiProject disambiguation will eventually find and fix it.  Seems fine to me. -GTBacchus(talk) 00:41, 30 April 2006 (UTC)


 * Looks great, thanks for your help. ScottW 00:46, 30 April 2006 (UTC)


 * This is apparently on old RfD discussion, but the disambiguation page should be the default page, not this (Malcolm X) page. The phrase was in common English use 300 years ago, e.g. by 1700. Sartre did not invent it. 75% of the Google hits make no mention of Malcolm X, he did not 'own' this phrase, copyright it, nor popularize it. Benefac (talk) 14:08, 20 January 2015 (UTC)

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