Talk:Bytom Synagogue

Factual accuracy
During World War II Beuthen's Jews were herded into a ghetto

This is simply not given by the source. Beuthen/Bytom is only mentioned twice in the presented book (and only in footnotes) and it's only mentioned that a transport from Beuthen arrived at Auschwitz on 15 February 1942. In general Ghettos didn't exist inside Germany, they were established in the occupied territories. Unless someone presents a source clearly stating a Jewish ghetto existed in Beuthen the article is rather a case for deletion (the fate of the Jewish congregation should be included in the Bytom article). HerkusMonte (talk) 11:43, 1 May 2009 (UTC)

• # Amsterdam
 * Holocaust Home Page provides a list entitled Ghettos & Other Jewish Communities, among them"

• #   Bedzin (Bendsburg)

• #   Belzyce

• #   Berlin

• #   Beuthen (Bytom) brief info

• #   Biecz

• #   Bielsko (Bielitz)

• #   Bochnia

• #   Borek Falecki

• #   Braila, Rumania

• #   Bratislava

• #   Brody

• #   Brussels

• #   Brzeziny (Lowenstadt)

• #   Bucharest

• #   Buczacz, Poland

• #   Budapest

• #   Busko-Zdroj

• #   Chernovtsy

• #   Chmielnik

• #   Czestochowa

• #   Czortkow

• #   Dabrowa Tarnowska

• #   Dombrowa Gornicza

• #   Dresden, Germany

• #   Drohobycz

• #   Dzialoszyce

• #   France (UGIF)

• #   Frystzak

• #   Glusk

• #   Gorzkowice

• #   Grabow

• #   Grodno, Poland (Belarus)

• #   Harbin,_Manchukuo

• #   Hrubieszow

• #   Izbica

• #   Jaslo

• #   Jezow

• #   Kalusch, Poland (Ukraine)

• #   Kamiensk

• #   Kielce

• #   Klodada (Tonningen)

• #   Kolin

• #   Koln (Cologne), Germany

• #   Kolo (Muhlental)

• #   Kolomyja (Kolomea)

• #   Koniecpol

• #   Konskie

• #   Konskowola

• #   Kosow Lacki

• #   Krakow

• #   Krasnystaw-Izbica

• #   Kroscienko (II)

• #   Krosniewice

• #   Kutno

• #   Lagow

• #   Lancut

• #   Lentschutz (Leczyca)

• #   Lodz (Litzmannstadt)

• #   Lomzha

• #   Lowenstadt (Brzeziny)

• #   Lowicz

• #   Lublin

• #   Lukow, Poland

• #   Lvov (Lemberg)

• #   Mainz

• #   Michalovce

• #   Miedzyrzec Podlaski

• #   Modliborzyce

• #   Nadworna

• #   Nowy Sacz (Neu-Sandez)

• #   Nowy Targ (Neumarkt)

• #   Obodovka

• #   Oleszno

• #   Olomouc (Olmutz)

• #   Olpiny

• #   Opatow

• #   Opoczno

• #   Opole

• #   Osjakow

• #   Ostrowiec

• #   Otwock

• #   Ozorkow

• #   Pabiance

• #   Pacanow

• #   Pajeczno (Pfeilstett)

• #   Piaski Luterskie

• #   Piotrkow Trybunalski

• #   Piotrowice

• #   Plonsk

• #   Potok Zloty

• #   Prague

• #   Praszka

• #   Przedborz

• #   Przemysl

• #   Przysucha

• #   Radomsko

• #   Ranizow

• #   Rawa Mazowiecka

• #   Rejowiec

• #   Rohatyn

• #   Rowne

• #   Rozwadow

• #   Rzeszow

• #   Sanok

• #   Shanghai

• #   Sokolow Malopolski

• #   Sokolow Podlaski

• #   Sosnowiec

• #   Siedlce

• #   Siewierz

• #   Stanislau

• #   Staszow

• #   Sterdyn

• #   Tarnogrod

• #   Tarnopol

• #   Tarnow

• #   Tilburg

• #   Tlumacz, Poland

• #   Tomaszow Mazowiecki

• #   Tonningen

• #   Tschenstochau (Czestochowa)

• #   Vienna

• #   Vilna

• #   Warsaw

• #   Wegrow

• #   Wieliczka

• #   Wisnicz Nowy

• #   Zagreb

• #   Zbaraz

• #   Zdunska Wola

• #   Zelow

• #   Zloczow (Zolochev)

• #   Zychlin The seal of the Jewish post office at Beuthen reads something like this (please correct the spelling if necessary):

Judische Kultusvereinig * Beuthen O/S
There was a Jewish administrative unit in Beuthen for sure, with a separate post office of course. However, I agree that caution needs to be exercised here, and I edited the article accordingly. Thanks. --Poeticbent talk  16:53, 1 May 2009 (UTC)


 * The linked page is called "ghettos and other jewish communities" and desribes Beuthen as
 *  Beuthen was a town in Silesia. After 1945, it became Bytom, Poland.  Although there had been a medieval Jewish community in the town, the Jewish population did not begin to grow until the early 1700's.  By 1932, the Jewish population was about 3,500 (3.77% of the total population.  During Kristallnacht, the synagogue and many Jewish stores were destroyed.  By 1939, many Jews had left leaving a population of about 1,300 Jews.  By 1942, most of the remaining Jews were deported, primarily to Auschwitz
 * it's not claimed the Jewish Community of Beuthen lived in a ghetto.
 * The linked letter has a brand "Jüdische Kultusvereinig." - meaning "Jewish Cultural Association" simply identifying the sender, it's not a seperate Jewish Post office. However it would be WP:OR to say, there's a Jewish Post Office, there must have been also a ghetto.
 * There was a Jewish Congregation in Beuthen, off course, and they were the first to be deported and murdered in Auschwitz, but a GHETTO simply didn't exist in Beuthen.
 * We might call the article "Jewish Congregation of Beuthen", which would need a lot of work to be expanded or delete it and mention the fate of the Beuthen Jews at Bytom. HerkusMonte (talk) 18:54, 1 May 2009 (UTC)

I made the necessary changes and moved the article to a new title supported by my Google search results. The Beuthen Jewish Community had its own secretary dating back at least to 19th century, so the article should be OK now. Thanks for helping out. --Poeticbent talk  20:58, 1 May 2009 (UTC)

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