Talk:C-SPAN/GA1

GA Review
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Reviewer: Racepacket (talk) 17:36, 4 June 2011 (UTC)

Thank you for nominating this article. I enjoyed it. No disamb. links. The fourth external link to americanheritage.com is dead.
 * GA review (see here for criteria)


 * 1) It is reasonably well written.
 * a (prose): b (MoS for lead, layout, word choice, fiction, and lists):
 * "in time for the first session made available by the House"->"in time for the first televised session made available by the House"
 * done - Off2riorob (talk) 21:09, 4 June 2011 (UTC)
 * Change heading from "Government access" because it also discusses non-government events. How about "Scope of coverage"???
 * done - Seems a reasonable suggestion. Off2riorob (talk) 21:07, 4 June 2011 (UTC)
 * "Since 1979, the network has televised more than 24,246 hours of floor action.[7]" - temporal statement that is quickly out-of-date. Please add an "As of" or "Between 1979 and May 2011"
 * done - added - Between 1979 and May 2011 - diff - Off2riorob (talk) 21:14, 4 June 2011 (UTC)
 * "During periods when the Senate is not in session, C-SPAN2 carries other public affairs programming.[29]" - isn't this true of both 1 and 2, that when each chamber is out, other programming fills in?
 * done - Yes, changed to reflect this is true for both. WWB Too (talk) 21:33, 4 June 2011 (UTC)
 * "C-SPAN archival video is available through the C-SPAN Video Library, maintained by C-SPAN archives in West Lafayette, Indiana." - sentence is redundant and needs footnote.
 * done - Added cite, reduced redundancy, included Purdue Research Park WWB Too (talk) 21:34, 4 June 2011 (UTC)
 * Please reword for clarity, "tracking convention and debate coverage in the blogosphere and on social media.[85][86]"
 * done - Changed to: "discussion from blogs and social media about the major party conventions and candidate debates" WWB Too (talk) 21:51, 4 June 2011 (UTC)
 * Please spell out "DBS operators."
 * done - Full name and parenthetical "(DBS)" now included WWB Too (talk) 21:54, 4 June 2011 (UTC)
 * "uninterrupted live public affairs events" - will a reader understand what you mean by this regarding C-SPAN 3 programming?
 * comment - I believe so. A variation on the phrase is used three times in the article, referring to each network. If you can clarify which part may be confusing, I can consider more specific changes. WWB Too (talk) 21:58, 4 June 2011 (UTC)
 * "uninterrupted live coverage of public affairs events" may help? Racepacket (talk) 01:47, 5 June 2011 (UTC)
 * The "Shows" and "Special programs" sections should have prose introducing the embedded lists.
 * done - Now added. If any thoughts on how I've worded these, feel free to edit or comment. WWB Too (talk) 22:06, 4 June 2011 (UTC)
 * 1) Is it factually accurate and verifiable?
 * A. References to sources:
 * B. Citation of reliable sources where necessary:
 * http://www.c-spanvideo.org/about is a more reliable source about the C-SPAN archive.
 * question - I am unsure what or where you want this to replace? - Off2riorob (talk) 21:03, 4 June 2011 (UTC)
 * I believe this refers to the C-SPAN Video Library section above, for which Racepacket asked me to include a citation. So I modified your cite and used it in my revision of that sentence. WWB Too (talk) 22:08, 4 June 2011 (UTC)
 * This works, thanks. Racepacket (talk) 01:47, 5 June 2011 (UTC)
 * C. No original research:
 * 1) It is broad in its coverage.
 * a (major aspects): b (focused):
 * Anniversaries section - 25th also featured a viewer contest with the winner serving as a call-in program host and 25 hours of continuous call-in programming.
 * done - The best source I found for this was from C-SPAN itself. New paragraph now included. WWB Too (talk) 22:21, 4 June 2011 (UTC)
 * Explain how the C-SPAN archive started at Purdue University, but is now a part of C-SPAN. - covered in http://www.c-spanvideo.org/about
 * "Organization and operations" section should be expanded to cover: a) how many people serve on the Board. b) How is the board selected, c) What is the annual budget and other public info from the IRS Form 990? d) What happens when C-SPAN "makes a profit" on a project? e) What is C-SPAN's state of incorporation? - see for example, http://riskman.typepad.com/perilocity/2007/03/malamud_opens_c.html and https://scholarsbank.uoregon.edu/xmlui/bitstream/handle/1794/10930/Morris_Glenn_Michael_phd2010sp.pdf?sequence=1 http://www2.guidestar.org/organizations/84-0751854/national-cable-satellite-corporation.aspx
 * Before the Digital Bus, were there other buses for "campaign bus" and "school bus"??? - http://legacy.c-span.org/about/company/index.asp?code=MILESTONES lists the chronology of the various buses.
 * Is the difference between Afterwords and Booknotes that now the interviewer is a relevant topic expert, while previously with Booknotes the interviewer was consistently Brian Lamb?
 * C-SPAN radio - unique programming includes White House tape recording archives and Supreme Court oral arguments.
 * comment - Answering all of the above questions will take a little more time. They strike me as all good questions, though some will take more digging, and others are less likely to have non-OR answers. Some of this may be in my research, but some of this surely is not. I'm happy to do so and can reasonably pledge to do so by Wednesday of this coming week. If non-crucial for GA, I would certainly address these before entertaining notions of seeking FA. WWB Too (talk) 22:31, 4 June 2011 (UTC)
 * 1) It follows the neutral point of view policy.
 * Fair representation without bias:
 * "Public and media opinion" is too biased pro C-SPAN. I am sure there are critics whose views are not represented in this section. Prior critical material was deleted from the article and should be reviewed to see if it can be used to "balance" this section.
 * reply - I replaced some of the prior opinions that imo helps balance the section NPOV- diff - Off2riorob (talk) 20:10, 4 June 2011 (UTC)
 * "The must-carry regulations, passed by Congress in 1992, affected the availability of the C-SPAN networks, in particular C-SPAN2, as some providers cut the channel altogether to make space for mandatory local stations.[100][101]" - this is presented as a fact, but is actually a debatable opinion. The fact is that cable operators are always selective as to which channels to carry. C-SPAN could be bumped for the Golf Channel, but that is a business decision made by each operator, not by the must carry rules.
 * reply - I made a small removal edit diff in an attempt to correct this, leaving no cause and affect factual assertion. Off2riorob (talk) 20:52, 4 June 2011 (UTC)
 * 1) It is stable.
 * No edit wars, etc.:
 * No edit wars.
 * 1) It is illustrated by images, where possible and appropriate.
 * a (images are tagged and non-free images have fair use rationales): b (appropriate use with suitable captions):
 * File:C-SPAN Video Library screenshot.png - need fair use rationale.
 * reply - I removed the webshot diff as it seemed like a weak claim of nonfree use to me - evertyone knows what webpages look like. Off2riorob (talk) 20:52, 4 June 2011 (UTC)
 * 1) Overall:
 * Pass/Fail:
 * I am placing the article on hold so that you may address the above noted concerns. Thank you in advance on your hard work. I enjoyed reviewing WCSP-FM and look forward to working with you again. Racepacket (talk) 18:56, 4 June 2011 (UTC)
 * Pass/Fail:
 * I am placing the article on hold so that you may address the above noted concerns. Thank you in advance on your hard work. I enjoyed reviewing WCSP-FM and look forward to working with you again. Racepacket (talk) 18:56, 4 June 2011 (UTC)

The fourth external link and fn 18 are still problems. Racepacket (talk) 01:47, 5 June 2011 (UTC)

I have fixed the last two concerns. The article now has passed the GA criteria, and I hope you will consider the remaining items for FAC. Congratulations on another Good Article. Racepacket (talk) 03:16, 5 June 2011 (UTC)


 * Mega thanks for your focus and effort, Racepacket. I'll certainly address the remaining questions before considering FA at some point in the near future. And likewise, Off2riorob, this couldn't have happened without your help. Many thanks. Cheers, WWB Too (talk) 16:18, 5 June 2011 (UTC)
 * Yea, cool - I like to help out in my own inimitable manner where I am able. Well done. Thanks to all. Off2riorob (talk) 16:32, 5 June 2011 (UTC)