Talk:C. R. W. Nevinson

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As far as I can see, the bibliography and the further reading and the references and the external links all refer to "C. R. W. Nevinson", apart from a few which have the full "Christopher Richard Wynne Nevinson". So why is this article titled "Christopher R. W. Nevinson", for which there is no apparent evidence here, especially if his preferred familiar name was Richard?

I propose the article title and associated links should all change to "C. R. W. Nevinson".

Comments/support/opposition? Masato.harada (talk) 15:01, 16 August 2023 (UTC)

Requested move 28 August 2023

 * The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

The result of the move request was: Moved to C. R. W. Nevinson. The discussion makes the point that forms with three initials are most common in the sources, leaving aside punctuation and spacing which is just a matter of our house style. EdJohnston (talk) 15:33, 4 September 2023 (UTC)

Christopher R. W. Nevinson → C. R. W. Nevinson – Currently, there exists a biography main page titled Christopher R. W. Nevinson, with a redirect page to it titled C. R. W. Nevinson. I have proposed on this talk page that the main page should be titled C. R. W. Nevinson, with a redirect to it from Christopher R. W. Nevinson. There have been no objections or comments, and I would like to go ahead with that swap. The biography main page has been labelled a Good Article (although it is unclear from the history or talk page how this came about), and I am informed this rename would therefore be controversial.

My rationale for the change is that the bibliography and the further reading and the references and the external links, i.e. all citations, refer to C. R. W. Nevinson, apart from a few which have the full Christopher Richard Wynne Nevinson. Outside of Wikipedia the name Christopher R. W. Nevinson is not used, and so the WP biography title should be C. R. W. Nevinson. Masato.harada (talk) 14:32, 28 August 2023 (UTC)
 * Note: redirects are ineligible to be current titles in move requests, so "C. R. W. Nevinson → Christopher R. W. Nevinson" has been removed. If this request is granted, then the page swap will be automatic.  P.I. Ellsworth &thinsp;, ed.  put'er there 15:37, 28 August 2023 (UTC)


 * Comment. There is a Good Article review on this talk page at transcluded from Talk:Christopher R. W. Nevinson/GA1. Should explain how the article attained GA status.  P.I. Ellsworth &thinsp;,  ed.  put'er there 15:44, 28 August 2023 (UTC)
 * Support. Appears to be WP:COMMONNAME. -- Necrothesp (talk) 12:50, 29 August 2023 (UTC)
 * Support. Appears to be WP:COMMONNAME. Johnbod (talk) 16:54, 29 August 2023 (UTC)

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.
 * Oppose Neutral Not, quote, "all citations […] apart from a few" refer to the proposed new entry. Actually, they vary between CRW Nevinson, C.R.W. [without blanks] Nevinson, C R W [without points] Nevinson, the full name Christopher Richard Wynne Nevinson etc. C. R. W. (with blanks and points) is the least commonly used I could find. I don't oppose a move per se, but the proposed variant/move does not meet WP:COMMONNAME (rather would the full name or the C.R.W. variant). Christopher R. W. is not the best solution, but if the proposed move is made, the same discussion might come up again in a few months. Robert Kerber (talk) 19:30, 30 August 2023 (UTC)
 * The most commonly used name in the citations is with three initials. The citations use points and spaces inconsistently according to their house or author's style. In the absence of a consistent style, I have proposed C. R. W. Nevinson, with points and spaces, as per MOS:INITIALS, and in line with WP pages for British contemporaries, e.g. J. R. R. Tolkien, A. J. P. Taylor, M. R. James. Masato.harada (talk) 08:41, 31 August 2023 (UTC)
 * Precisely. In Britain we tend to omit the full stops (and sometimes the spaces), but Wikipedia's style is to include them. It's purely a stylistic issue. -- Necrothesp (talk) 08:43, 31 August 2023 (UTC)
 * OK, I see your point. Robert Kerber (talk) 10:58, 31 August 2023 (UTC)
 * Support per this n-gram, which shows that forms with three initials are most common. Ham II (talk) 18:20, 31 August 2023 (UTC)