Talk:CBH grain receival points

a possibility of non-CBH grain collection, storage and transport ...
The lede section says (with my emphasis):

I propose that this is WP:CRYSTALBALL gazing, and ought to be deleted. Mitch Ames (talk) 13:59, 2 April 2013 (UTC)


 * my bad in expression in text - the contingency in the expression is that it is not crystal ball gazing - the usage of the word 'possibility' was being used as there is no specific sighting of specific chinese ships carrying western australian grain out of Albany yet - but if you read the news articles carefully, the probability levels are quite high, and it is a matter of time. To delete it would be foolhardy.

- read the refs - there was already one ref when you wrote this, now try three... sats 14:57, 2 April 2013 (UTC)


 * It wouldn't matter how many refs there were, a "possibility of non-cbh grain collection, storage and transport" is not an "... expected future events [that is] almost certain to take place." However the new wording "has another operator" is a verifiable fact, so not a problem. Mitch Ames (talk) 13:00, 3 April 2013 (UTC)


 * four - still no sign of the ships, though - it might all be a hoax... sats 13:40, 3 April 2013 (UTC)

Deregulation and competition - move to CBH Group?
Might the whole Deregulation and competition section be better placed if it were moved to CBH Group? Is it CBH that has competition now, or the receival points? Mitch Ames (talk) 14:11, 3 April 2013 (UTC)


 * the wrangled web I weave - we should have a section in an article somewhere - either in a section in 'Agriculture of Australia' or 'Grain industry of Australia' (as yet uncreated article), about the change in grain export regulation in November 2012 - or possibly a separate article is needed about the deregulation issue...

I have neither the ref/cite material to hand (agricultural economics and politics in australia is sadly bereft of articles here on WP - but thankfully the ABC carries good stories on the issues), If I read the search function reply correctly - to create substantive sections in Agriculture of Australia (which suffers from an ahistorical recentism) might be the wrong way... There seems no history of agriculture in Australia as far as I can tell to hang a hat on...

Once a bigger picture edit is made somewhere explaining what the deregulation will do to the australian grain industry - then it could be linked down to the component state bodies - but until such time I suggest the section stays as it is in receival points - a close read of all four articles suggest the waters are still murky as to where and how the actual behaviour of the various firms might act out - as to whether the Albany operators will be having everything separate - or whether some cross-overs in land transport, grain storage or export might or might not occur... sats 14:45, 3 April 2013 (UTC)

Of course if someone is patient, History_of_wheat_industry_regulation_in_Australia in all its glory could always be rescued, and worked on to the November 2012 changes - however it is a mere skeleton compared to what is required for an adequate overview of the industry. sats 14:51, 3 April 2013 (UTC)