Talk:CGCN Group

Proposing updates + fixes for inaccuracies
Hi there, I'd like to make some suggestions to improve this article and have been working on a new draft to make some corrections and expand the page. As disclosure, I do have a financial conflict of interest, as I am here on behalf of CGCN Group through my work at Beutler Ink. There are various issues with the existing article, including unsourced information, the weight is a bit off balance (about half the article is dedicated to a former partner's work after he left CGCN, so not about the company at all), and some factual inaccuracies. Overall, the page does not offer a very comprehensive overview of CGCN Group and I'm aiming to bring it up-to-date, fix the aforementioned issues and ensure the page is well-sourced and developed.

The full draft is in my user space so editors can see exactly what I'm proposing for this article: User:16912_Rhiannon/CGCN_Group. You can also see the changes vs. the current article, in 

To make this review easier for reviewing editors, I suggest working through this section-by-section, and will present my edit request that way, starting with the infobox and a proposed Overview section.

For the infobox, I'd like to propose an update to address the following:
 * Confirming the firm's current partners
 * Update year founded (the source currently used does not verify that founder Steve Clark formed Clark & Associates in 1999, and other sources place the firm's roots back to 2000)
 * Remove unsourced (and old) revenue figures
 * Remove the footnote, as it is not clear which details that footnote is supposed to verify

Below you can see the full version of what I'm proposing, along with the markup:

As well as the updates to the infobox, as a first step to expanding this article, I'm proposing the addition of an all-new Overview section. This section pulls key details into one corner to serve as a snapshot of the company, including its company type, political ties, clients, and other details. Many of these details are not present in the existing article. I suggest placing this below the History section.

As I do have a financial COI, I do not intend to make any edits to the live article, and instead hope that an uninvolved editor (or editors) can review and take my drafted changes live if they're appropriate. Any feedback or questions are welcome. Thanks in advance! 16912 Rhiannon (Talk · COI) 22:02, 22 August 2017 (UTC)


 * Thanks Yunshui for reviewing these requests and making updates in the article. Just to clarify, the Overview request above was intended to create a new section in the article, rather than add these details to the lead. My intention was to keep the lead short and simple (see my full draft here). What do you think to putting this information in an Overview section?
 * If you feel it's best to keep the details where they are, the citation after "Boeing" will need to be fixed (the full cite was given at the end of the first sentence of the proposed text, but since that wasn't added, just the short cite is currently included). The full citation is: Thanks again! 16912 Rhiannon (Talk &middot; COI) 15:28, 1 September 2017 (UTC)
 * Reference fixed. I don't think the single sentence that I added would warrant its own section, and the lead is supposed to be an overview, after all. Yunshui 雲 水 14:47, 4 September 2017 (UTC)
 * Thanks Yunshui! Understood completely. I posted two edit further requests below. Do you have time to take a look at those as well? 16912 Rhiannon (Talk &middot; COI) 21:29, 5 September 2017 (UTC)

Proposing more updates
Following the above requests, I have a couple of new draft sections to offer for editors to review.

My proposed History draft includes corrections (such as the year Steve Clark founded the firm) and new details throughout the section using appropriate sourcing. Additions include details on the firm doubling in size from 2015 to 2017, its work with GOP leadership and the conservative Freedom Caucus, some more recent work that has generated coverage in reliable sources. Additionally, I included detail from the Bloomberg Government rating that was not moved into the article from my Operations edit request but would perhaps make more sense and not seem so promotional in this context.

The current article sprinkles throughout when difference partners joined the firm. I think such detail is better suited in a specific section on CGCN Group's partners. As with my previous requests, this draft references reliable sources to verify the information. I hope editors will find this section is written in a way that's neutral and free of promotion, yet gives readers an understanding of the firm's partners.

As noted in my previous request above, since I have a financial COI, I won't make any edits to the live article. Can editors please review and take my drafted changes live if they're appropriate? If there's any feedback or questions, please let me know. Thanks in advance! 16912 Rhiannon (Talk · COI) 21:29, 5 September 2017 (UTC)
 * Sorry for the delay here - I don't see anything objectionable here in terms of content, so I've added it.  Toa   Nidhiki05  03:28, 27 October 2017 (UTC)
 * Thanks so much for the review, Toa and moving the content live! To finish things off, I have a couple of small updates, which I'll drop into a new request below. If you're able to help with those, that would be wonderful, but I appreciate if you're busy elsewhere. Thanks again. 16912 Rhiannon (Talk &middot; COI) 18:20, 27 October 2017 (UTC)

External links, logo and reference fix
Thanks again to Yunshui and Toa Nidhiki05 for reviewing my above requests for this article. I have just a few final updates to request.


 * First, a quick citation fix is needed to resolve an error in the References. The following full citation can be added at the end of the first sentence of History:


 * Second, if editors feel it's appropriate, I'd like to propose adding in a new External links section, with the following links:
 * Official website
 * Sam Geduldig political campaign contributions: 2016 election cycle


 * Third and finally, I've uploaded the firm's logo File:CGCN_Logo_2017.png to Commons and would like to ask if this can be added to the infobox?

As with my requests above, I'm asking for these updates on behalf of CGCN Group as part of my work at Beutler Ink and will not directly edit this article myself. Thanks in advance for reviewing and making edits as appropriate! 16912 Rhiannon (Talk · COI) 18:44, 27 October 2017 (UTC)
 * All seem reasonable to me. Sorry for the delay!  Toa   Nidhiki05  22:55, 3 November 2017 (UTC)
 * Thank you so much! 16912 Rhiannon (Talk &middot; COI) 14:27, 6 November 2017 (UTC)

Proposing new updates
Hi again! Back with a few additional proposed updates for this article. After conducting research on recent CGCN Group news, I prepared two new paragraphs—one for History and another for Partners. I am also requesting a small spelling fix. Below I have included drafts, markup, and references for easy reviewing.

I propose we add the following paragraph at the very end of History to show CGCN Group's growth and financial performance in recent years, citing The Hill and Politico.

Under Partners since 2014, I propose we change the word liaisoned to liaised.

Also, the final paragraph of this should be updated, as Mr. Catanzaro has resigned from the Trump administration and rejoined CGCN Group. This has been covered by reliable secondary sources, such as The Associated Press, Politico, and The Hill. I have prepared a draft that updates Mr. Catanzaro's roles.

As noted in my previous requests for this article, since I have a financial COI, I won't make any edits to the live article. Can editors please review and take my drafted changes live if they're appropriate? Pinging Toa Nidhiki05, who has reviewed here previously. If there's any feedback or questions, please let me know. Thanks in advance! 16912 Rhiannon (Talk · COI) 21:35, 9 July 2018 (UTC)
 * It seems that Toa Nidhiki05 may not be around right now, so I'm pinging Yunshui, who has answered a previous request here. Would you be able to review my proposed updates above? Thanks in advance, 16912 Rhiannon (Talk &middot; COI) 21:16, 3 August 2018 (UTC)
 * I'll take a look at this in the next day or so. Sorry for the delay! Toa Nidhiki05 03:18, 6 August 2018 (UTC)
 * No worries, I know summertime gets busy! Thanks in advance for taking a look. 16912 Rhiannon (Talk &middot; COI) 11:25, 6 August 2018 (UTC)
 * Hi Toa Nidhiki05! I'm back online after some travel time, just wanted to see if you were still able to take a look at this? 16912 Rhiannon (Talk &middot; COI) 23:09, 16 August 2018 (UTC)
 * Sorry about the wait User:16912_Rhiannon! I don't see any issues with these changes. Looks good to me! Toa Nidhiki05 02:40, 21 August 2018 (UTC)
 * Hi there Toa Nidhiki05! Thanks so much for reviewing. Because of my conflict of interest, I do not edit articles directly. Since everything looks good to you, would you be able to update the page? Thanks! 16912 Rhiannon (Talk &middot; COI) 21:13, 23 August 2018 (UTC)
 * Yes, I'll add this shortly. Toa Nidhiki05 19:11, 30 August 2018 (UTC)

Checking in here in case this fell off your radar, Toa Nidhiki05. I know you're busy so please do let me know if you're not able to make the updates and I can reach out elsewhere and stop bugging you! Thanks, 16912 Rhiannon (Talk · COI) 22:15, 5 September 2018 (UTC)
 * Sorry about the delay User:16912_Rhiannon,I've been swamped lately. I've added both updates to the page. Toa <i style="color: green; font-family: Mistral;">Nidhiki05</i> 20:34, 11 September 2018 (UTC)
 * No worries at all, and thanks so much for reviewing and making those edits. Much appreciated! 16912 Rhiannon (Talk &middot; COI) 20:49, 11 September 2018 (UTC)

New Partner
Hi! I am making a request here because of my Conflict of interest: I am an employee at CGCN Group. Aaron Szabo, a lawyer who worked in both the Obama and Trump administrations, was named partner in 2018.

Can Wikipedia editors update the Partners section to reflect this? Toa Nidhiki05: As you've reviewed edit requests on this page previously, can you look at this one as well?

Thank you, Lauren at CGCN (talk) 16:07, 22 April 2019 (UTC)


 * Looks good to me. Going to add this to the page as requested. <i style="color: green; font-family: Mistral;">Toa</i> <i style="color: green; font-family: Mistral;">Nidhiki05</i> 19:56, 22 April 2019 (UTC)


 * Thank you, Toa Nidhiki05! I will have another request hopefully soon, if you care to also review that. I will let you know when it is posted. Thanks! Lauren at CGCN (talk) 21:18, 24 April 2019 (UTC)


 * One more thing, Toa Nidhiki05. I realized there was a typo in my request. CGCN terminated its work with Saudi Arabia in 2018, not 2019. Could you make that fix? Thank you! Lauren at CGCN (talk) 20:55, 29 April 2019 (UTC)
 * No problem. <i style="color: green; font-family: Mistral;">Toa</i> <i style="color: green; font-family: Mistral;">Nidhiki05</i> 00:02, 2 May 2019 (UTC)


 * Thank you again, Toa Nidhiki05, for your time and help! Lauren at CGCN (talk) 16:58, 2 May 2019 (UTC)

Former Client
Hi! I am here to ask if Wikipedia editors can update History now that Saudi Arabia is no longer a client? Proposed text: CGCN terminated its relationship with Saudi Arabia in 2019.

Toa Nidhiki05: Letting you know about this request, too, should you care to review it.

Thank you, Lauren at CGCN (talk) 14:45, 25 April 2019 (UTC)


 * Gonna add this - looks good to me! <i style="color: green; font-family: Mistral;">Toa</i> <i style="color: green; font-family: Mistral;">Nidhiki05</i> 13:49, 29 April 2019 (UTC)


 * Thank you, Toa Nidhiki05! Lauren at CGCN (talk) 19:01, 29 April 2019 (UTC)

Various updates
Hi! I am here to ask if Wikipedia editors can update a few areas of this article based on recent developments. I have a Conflict of interest: I am an employee at CGCN Group. Toa Nidhiki05: Letting you know about this request, too, should you care to review it, as you have in the past.


 * 1) Can Wikipedia editors consider deleting the outdated "key people" in the infobox? This will leave one less place requiring updates
 * 2) In History, can Wikipedia editors add: CGCN is a partner in United By Interest, a collection of liberal and conservative firms working with varied factions and caucuses, such as the Congressional Black Caucus, Congressional Hispanic Caucus, Republican Study Committee, and House Freedom Caucus.
 * 3) In Partners, can Wikipedia editors update the outdated introductory paragraph to: CGCN Group has 11 partners as of September 2019: Steve Clark, Jay Cranford, Sam Geduldig, Mike Nielsen, Doug Schwartz, John Stipicevic, Juliane Sullivan, Mike Catanzaro, Aaron Szabo, Matt Rhoades, and Antonia Ferrier.
 * 4) At the very end of Partners since 2014, can Wikipedia editors add: Matt Rhoades, who ran the Mitt Romney 2012 presidential campaign, and Antonia Ferrier, who previously served as an aide to Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell, joined the firm in 2019.
 * Also in 2019, the firm updated its management structure: Clark, chairman; Geduldig and Rhoades, co-CEOs; Catanzaro, president and chief policy officer; Nielsen, chief financial officer; and Cranford, senior partner.

Thank you, Lauren at CGCN (talk) 17:17, 25 September 2019 (UTC)

Reply 09-NOV-2019
Regards, Spintendo  22:07, 9 November 2019 (UTC)
 * 1) ✅ The key people parameter has been deleted.
 * 2) ❌ The claim regarding United By Interest could not be added because the Wikilink for this organization has not been added to the proposal's wording.
 * 3) ❌ The claim regarding the 11 partners as of September 2019 could not be updated, as these partners names have not been Wikilinked.
 * 4) ✅ The claim regarding Matt Rhoades was implemented.
 * 5) ❌ The claim regarding the management structure could not be added because the verbatim form in which this information was to be added to the article has not been included with the request. If a claim is to be added as prose, then the verbatim text which is to be used in the article should be included, along with any appurtenant Wikilinks for each name listed beyond the top 5 positions.


 * Thank you, Spintendo! Lauren at CGCN (talk) 17:19, 26 November 2019 (UTC)