Talk:CITV/Archive 2

Obvious vandalism
It seems that a now-banned user going by the username of Brentford1889 has recently introduced multiple issues into this article, not least the changing of names to sports presenters and commentators. (e.g. Dickie Davies as the first ever CITV presenter rather than Matthew Kelly. That's just the tip of the iceberg.) I'm new to this and don't really know where to start - could someone more capable please roll back the false info while retaining any good edits made in between? 86.11.172.98 (talk) 22:15, 12 August 2017 (UTC)

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Who added in old CITV logo?

You need to stop, I'm very serious right now. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2A02:C7D:B984:5E00:94F5:D7FD:5C56:97AD (talk) 19:33, 11 April 2018 (UTC)

Channels/HD
CITV has a +1 and HD, its just broadcast on ITV +1 and ITV HD (6/7 AM - 8:10/9:10 AM) RobloxFanEditor (talk) 06:11, 17 August 2019 (UTC)

Will soon see
Will soon see 203.217.70.203 (talk) 00:23, 27 November 2021 (UTC)

Queens Death
I never wrote this, I do believe its a bit over detailed but it is note worthy, that the channel was pulled of its primary content. What I would put in would be one line Sentence.


 * On Monday 19 September 2022, due to the state funeral for Her Majesty Queen Elizabeth II, normal programming was replaced by ITV London's feed   This was at Contracts to CBBC and CBeebies  contrast

Crazyseiko (talk) 18:59, 24 September 2022 (UTC)


 * I would have no objection to a one-sentence version of the previous screed per se, but would ask if you really think this will be important at all in a year or a decade from now. I'd doubt it.
 * I do actually think it will be note worthy in the years to come as its never happened before, and it's remit was changed for one day. --Crazyseiko (talk) 20:30, 27 September 2022 (UTC)


 * Also, "of Queen Elizabeth II" – the "Her Majesty" bit is superfluous – and "in contrast", not "at Contacts". — Trey Maturin has spoken 20:01, 24 September 2022 (UTC)

Logos
Does anyone here know when CITV changed the logo (which was introduced in 2013) from 2D to 3D. I need to know the exact date it happened; All I know is that it happened in 2018. Please could anyone help me with that. Everywhere I search, it just tells me the year. Why would the exact date need to be kept confidential? ￼

And does anyone here know the exact date CITV changed the logo (which was introduced in 1998) from 3D to 2D. All I know is that it happened in somewhere in Autumm 2003 and ended on 10 March 2006.

With sources of course. 123typewrite123 (talk) 17:44, 17 October 2022 (UTC)

Reference for out-continuity announcer from 2009-2013 for CITV.
I have found a reference for Seymour Leon Mace confirming that he indeed was the out-vision announcer for the period of CITV from 2nd November 2009 - 13 January 2013.

[https://twitter.com/seymourmace/status/1410316469238390788?lang=en-GB Seymour Leon Mace on Twitter: "@channel_acc Yes it's me! One of my favourite ever jobs. Still got my CITV mug." / Twitter]

Is it necessary to put it in? and if so, can someone with better expertise on Wikipedia please do so. 123typewrite123 (talk) 21:48, 2 November 2022 (UTC)


 * Twitter is not a reliable source for an encyclopaedia. — Trey Maturin has spoken 22:15, 2 November 2022 (UTC)

List of presenters taken out of the main page, - need for sources
This is the list of Presenters and announcers on CITV over the years which need to get sources:


 * [Unsourced list of names of living people redacted yet again]

2A02:C7E:1466:7300:CD6F:AB08:114A:D210 (talk) 17:23, 31 December 2022 (UTC)


 * This list, which IP editors (I'm assuming that's basically been you, 2A02) have been determined to insert into the article regardless of Wikipedia's number one rule and many attempts to contact you/them, is very much welcome... after it has been sourced, not before. — Trey Maturin™ 22:21, 31 December 2022 (UTC)


 * I don't really want to get in the middle of all this but why was the presenter section removed completely? Yes the monthly ones have been a mess for years, in-fact I had to roll back the page a whole year at one point since people had added in complete fiction, The In-vision presenters section had hyperlinks, even Steve Ryde has references. IE Does this page really need to have a source if there is a hyperlink to a living person which has more details?  What are the rules about this as it rather unclear. --Crazyseiko (talk) 14:12, 1 January 2023 (UTC)


 * The rules are quite clear: All information must be sourced and that is especially true for when the information is about living people. A wikilink to the article on the person isn't sufficient, ever, and especially not when the article on the person also doesn't have a reliable source for their time as a CITV presenter. It should be simple to source this, since people are getting the information from somewhere... but nobody is willing to provide the appropriate links.


 * A similar thing has happened at CBeebies, where nobody is willing to source the list of presenters on the British version, whilst non-Brits have rushed in to source the international list, proving it can be done. It just hasn't been!


 * As you've very rightly noted, Crazyseiko, an unsourced list (in every subject, but especially television presenters for some reason) very quickly gains loads of false additions, which, because the list is unsourced itself, it's impossible to weed out. And it leads to ex-presenters complaining on Twitter about how bad Wikipedia is for getting their dates wrong or including them at all – neither of which can be double checked because the list is unsourced. — Trey Maturin™ 15:34, 1 January 2023 (UTC)

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Protected edit request on 21 August 2023
The channels closure date was confirmed. FA2012Wiki (talk) 12:59, 21 August 2023 (UTC)
 * ✔️ above. * Pppery * it has begun... 13:25, 21 August 2023 (UTC)

Protected edit request on 22 August 2023
Please remove the extra white space in the top section of the article between "It does however have an HD simulcast which is only available on Sky online or on Sky Glass." and "On 22 July 2023, CITV launched a new children's hub on the ITVX streaming service...". Only one newline is required. --Ferien (talk) 13:00, 22 August 2023 (UTC)
 * ✅ Thanks for reporting it! DMacks (talk) 13:35, 22 August 2023 (UTC)

Protected edit request on 20 August 2023
Confirmation of closure

It has been confirmed today that the channel will close on 1st September 2023. ValenciaThunderbolt (talk) 14:17, 20 August 2023 (UTC) ValenciaThunderbolt (talk) 14:17, 20 August 2023 (UTC)


 * ✅ Thanks for finding a reliable source! DMacks (talk) 05:30, 21 August 2023 (UTC)
 * You're welcome :) ValenciaThunderbolt (talk) 15:13, 23 August 2023 (UTC)

Infobox
Please add the closure date to the infobox, since it was removed as vandalism erroneously. Thank you. —CitroenLover (talk) 11:47, 24 August 2023 (UTC)


 * We don't add closure dates to infoboxes until the closure has actually happened. — Trey Maturin™ 12:24, 24 August 2023 (UTC)
 * The template used to format a date supports using a date in the future, where it will says "in X days time" if the date is in the future; adding it now just means you're already covered for when the closure occurs, which is generally accepted as 1st September and there is generally no negative or possible reason why we shouldn't add something like this in advance. :) --CitroenLover (talk) 18:58, 24 August 2023 (UTC)
 * WP:CRYSTAL--it hasn't actually happened yet. Infobox television channel does not have specific guidance, but the more-general Infobox company is explicit that a defunct type of field "is used only for a defunct company." CITV is still existing. What's the harm in waiting a week until it actually happens? DMacks (talk) 19:24, 24 August 2023 (UTC)

Officially Closed
Hi. Can someone update the channel? It has officially closed down. Thanks. 2A00:23C4:F8A0:4C01:11A0:BA0E:3289:B800 (talk) 20:00, 1 September 2023 (UTC)

Unlock the page
I need to edit this page because CITV’s dead now LanningNicolas (talk) 23:01, 1 September 2023 (UTC)


 * IT'S ALL GONE OPEN UP THE PAGE PLEASE Toshibafansandmore (talk) 23:01, 1 September 2023 (UTC)

UNLOCK IT
Man this is ridiculous I remember everyone fighting over putting the closed date already before it closed and there were so many arguments about it and now it's actually happened none of you care. You just wanted attention. Please unlock the page and update it! Iconic CITV always remembered 💅 2A00:23C4:F8A0:4C01:11A0:BA0E:3289:B800 (talk) 10:07, 2 September 2023 (UTC)

Protected edit request on 1 September 2023
CITV closed on the 1st of September 2023 and all sentences should be made in past tense. Gregthewiggle123 (talk) 20:23, 1 September 2023 (UTC)


 * Why have you protected the page? No-one can edit it... 2A00:23C4:F8A0:4C01:11A0:BA0E:3289:B800 (talk) 08:48, 2 September 2023 (UTC)
 * Full-protection-unlocked.svg Not done: The page's protection level has changed since this request was placed. You should now be able to edit the page yourself. If you still seem to be unable to, please reopen the request with further details. Please ensure that further additions to the article are reliably sourced. DanCherek (talk) 14:13, 2 September 2023 (UTC)

Remove protected edit request on 2 September 2023
Hi. CITV officially closed on 1st September 2023 in favour of ITVX Kids. Could you please update the channel? Because the information is outdated. It was announced on the channel itself and it has moved it's TV shows to ITVX Kids but will air some programmes in the morning on ITV2.Thanks. 2A00:23C4:F8A0:4C01:11A0:BA0E:3289:B800 (talk) 08:54, 2 September 2023 (UTC)


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Protected edit request on 2 September 2023
Update because citv closed on 1 September 2023 82.0.137.113 (talk) 08:55, 2 September 2023 (UTC)


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Protected edit request on 2 September 2023 (2)
Change in the channel information window:

Launched 3 January 1983 to 24 August 2023 (ITV1 block closed after 40 Years, began as Children's ITV) 11 March 2006 to 1 September 2023 (closed after 17 years) 2 September 2023 to Present (ITV2 block)

Inside of CITV Channel: Add the following in the "Closure of Channel" paragraph:

The CITV channel officially closed on 1 September 2023 at 9pm

Add a new section:

Changes to ITV Channels After CITV Channel Closure

With the closure of the CITV channel, changes to ITV1 and ITV2 were announced.

ITV1 In 2007, a year after the CITV channel launched, Ofcom allowed ITV to reduce the number of hours it had to dedicate to children’s programmes to just five hours per week. It’s since met those obligations by showing 2 1/2 hours of children’s programmes on weekend mornings before 08:30 These obligations have since been quietly dropped altogether, paving the way for ITV to clear children’s programmes off its main channel altogether.

The final regular children’s TV slot on ITV1 will end at just before 08:25 on Sunday 27th August. The move comes 40 years and eight months after children’s programmes on the channel – formerly a confederation of regional services – were first brought under the Children’s ITV brand.

ITV1 will screen Love Your Weekend with Alan Titchmarsh on Saturday and a rerun of Saturday Morning with James Martin on Sunday morning in place of CITV.

ITV2 The morning after the closure of the CITV channel, ITV2 will take over with a four hour daily slot showcasing a selection of programmes from ITVX Kids.

From Saturday 2nd September, ITV2 will show children’s programmes between 05:00 and 09:00. The new children’s strand replaces teleshopping and re-runs of shows including World’s Funniest Videos and Love Bites.

Kids shows featured on the new breakfast time block include Jurassic World Camp Cretaceous and Scooby Doo.

Source to be used: https://rxtvinfo.com/2023/changes-to-itv1-and-itv2-after-citv-closure/#:~:text=The%20morning%20after%20the%20closure,%3A00%20and%2009%3A00.

Add a new section: CITV Block on ITV2

On 2 September 2023 the CITV branding has been featured on the launch of the ITV2 kids block, confirming the continuation of the CITV identity.

Source to be used (just Youtube videos no official from viewers, no official sources so far): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5xwhSQq4eoU https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-49sIK9Vot8 81.152.193.115 (talk) 12:46, 2 September 2023 (UTC)


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New ITV2 Block
After the closure of CITV, there are Idents that are shown on the new block I have found proof in a video on YouTube. I couldn't post the link because it was apparently in the blacklist of Wikipedia. Search it on YouTube and you'll find the video, therefore we can create a new ITV2 Block. 2A00:23C4:F8A0:4C01:11A0:BA0E:3289:B800 (talk) 17:16, 2 September 2023 (UTC)


 * It has been listed in the page so we should create one. 2A00:23C4:F8A0:4C01:11A0:BA0E:3289:B800 (talk) 17:17, 2 September 2023 (UTC)

Evaluating the current CITV schedule
Given it is early days so far, it's hard to determine a reoccurring schedule at this point. I would like to just briefly highlight some things that are more of a prediction based on 2 weeks of CITV scheduling.

Shows that appear everyday include: Scooby-Doo! Mystery Incorporated Craig of the Creek Teen Titans Go! DC Superhero Girls Looney Tunes Cartoons Be Cool Scooby-Doo! What's New, Scooby-Doo? Scooby-Doo and Guess Who?

Shows that only appear weekdays include: The Epic Tales of Captain Underpants Jurassic World Camp Cretaceous

Shows that only appear weekends include: Dodo

Currently we do not have enough data from the tv guide to suggest this will be the permanent scheduled programming per day, however this is something I am keeping track of over the next few weeks and will determine the programming fully after a month on ITV2. Historia1989 (talk) 11:25, 7 September 2023 (UTC)

Requested move 2 September 2023

 * The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

The result of the move request was: no consensus. I am unable to determine a consensus for a move. Given that the recent development of the channel/programme block is pretty recent with no further update since the start of this RM, we can defer moving of the article until when there are more concrete news/further development of the topic. (closed by non-admin page mover) – robertsky (talk) 16:11, 4 October 2023 (UTC)

CITV → CITV (TV channel) – I think that it would more appropriate to spin off content spin-off content about the programming block into its own page, as it continues on ITV2. The block has existed for a lot longer than the channel and has been revived on ITV2, after the channel being simulcast on ITV1 since 2006. ValenciaThunderbolt (talk) 19:06, 2 September 2023 (UTC) — Relisting. BD2412  T 01:59, 27 September 2023 (UTC)
 * Move to CITV (British TV channel). Both the current title and the proposed title are ambiguous with the Canadian CITV-DT. 162 etc. (talk) 19:47, 2 September 2023 (UTC)
 * Didn't realise that. Since that is the case, I'll agree to that instead. ValenciaThunderbolt (talk) 19:50, 2 September 2023 (UTC)
 * There's definitely an incomplete disambiguation issue. Is the suffix -DT sufficient to save CITV-DT at its present title? Sammi Brie  (she/her • t • c) 00:32, 4 September 2023 (UTC)
 * In my eyes, such pages should be renamed to their current names, as it is now called Global Edmonton, as the current name hasn't been in use since 2011. ValenciaThunderbolt (talk) 12:16, 7 September 2023 (UTC)
 * Canadian TV stations are titled by callsign, not on-air branding. See WP:NCBC. 162 etc. (talk) 14:06, 7 September 2023 (UTC)
 * Ahh, thanks for informing me. I always wondered why they were named like that :) ValenciaThunderbolt (talk) 14:14, 7 September 2023 (UTC)


 * Wait until the programming block actually has its own page. Before then, don't move this article just yet. 92.27.248.31 (talk) 08:35, 3 September 2023 (UTC)
 * Just a thought, as both the ITV1 block and CITV Channel were linked via a simulcast on weekend mornings combined with the fact the ITV2 block started less than 6 hours after the Channel, it makes more senses a this moment in time to consider this a continuation of the CITV brand.
 * I may also suggest the CITV branded videogames would likely have no natural place on ether page if a separation of the block and channel was created.
 * I feel possibly renaming to "CITV (British Television Brand)" could avoid confusion and maintain a consistent manageable narrative on a single page. Historia1989 (talk) 11:00, 3 September 2023 (UTC)
 * The rename would coincide with spinning off the info into a separate article. ValenciaThunderbolt (talk) 12:08, 3 September 2023 (UTC)


 * Reject this, CITV branding started as programme block, then become a channel on its own right and has now returned to a daily programme block.  It's all one of the shame, --Crazyseiko (talk) 22:47, 11 September 2023 (UTC)

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